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    Locrius got a reaction from gkgyver in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    No one is questioning whether or not the final product was performed using samples, though... @Drew was questioning what it sounds like. Why is this so hard to understand??? He didn't ask whether or not samples were used. He asked if it sounds like it was mostly/entirely samples. There are some soundtracks that use samples, but in a very unobtrusive/non-obvious way, to the point that I think it's all 100% real orchestra.
     
    You are fundamentally misunderstanding the question. It's like you're not even reading it.
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    Locrius got a reaction from greenturnedblue in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    What? It was a subjective question. No right or wrong answer.
     
     
    Really not sure why people keep bringing this up. If I know that I think McDonald's chicken nuggets don't taste like real chicken, does that mean I'm not allowed to ask and see if anyone else thinks so too? @Drew's question is asking to find out if anyone else thinks it sounds like samples. That is a totally valid question.
     
    By your logic, no one should ever put out surveys for instance, because their own personal opinion on the question is all that matters; if you have any interest in finding out if other people share your opinion, too bad—not allowed to do that. /s
     
    If I have an opinion question for other people, then "knowing the answer to my own question" (aka my own opinion) is irrelevant. Of course @Drew already knows his own opinion on something he is asking others about.
     
    If I think that Strauss sounds a lot like Mahler in a particular passage of a particular piece, am I not allowed to ask if other people think the same? I mean, again, by your logic, I "already know the answer" to my own question i.e. I already have an opinion, so it's not acceptable to find out other people's opinions.
     
    Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
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    Locrius got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    No one is questioning whether or not the final product was performed using samples, though... @Drew was questioning what it sounds like. Why is this so hard to understand??? He didn't ask whether or not samples were used. He asked if it sounds like it was mostly/entirely samples. There are some soundtracks that use samples, but in a very unobtrusive/non-obvious way, to the point that I think it's all 100% real orchestra.
     
    You are fundamentally misunderstanding the question. It's like you're not even reading it.
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    Locrius got a reaction from James in RIP Jóhann Jóhannsson (1969-2018)   
    For those curious, apparently he died due to a cocaine overdose + prescription medication.
     
    https://www1.wdr.de/radio/cosmo/musik/global-pop-news/global-pop-news-2070.html
     
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    Locrius got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Pretty often, actually. And the ones that I have seen the films to, I only saw the film to because I already considered the score a favorite. Great scores often influence my movie-watching choices. But seeing the film has nothing to do with initially cementing a score as a favorite.
     
    I considered Horner’s THE LAND BEFORE TIME an all-time favorite for years before I finally got around to watching the film. I consider Williams’ MONSIGNOR a favorite; still haven’t seen that movie, but if I do at some point, it will be entirely because the score is so good. Come to think of it, this all dates back to my childhood; the first score I ever fell in love with—THE PHANTOM MENACE—I considered my favorite well before I even saw the film.
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    Locrius reacted to Kasey Kockroach in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Lionheart is top 5 Goldsmith for me and I don't even know what the movie's about.
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    Locrius reacted to Taikomochi in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    The Russia House and Gremlins 2 are some of my favorites and I’ve never seen those films.  So was The Greatest Miracle, which I liked much less after seeing the film. Same with The Last Airbender.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Will in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Pretty often, actually. And the ones that I have seen the films to, I only saw the film to because I already considered the score a favorite. Great scores often influence my movie-watching choices. But seeing the film has nothing to do with initially cementing a score as a favorite.
     
    I considered Horner’s THE LAND BEFORE TIME an all-time favorite for years before I finally got around to watching the film. I consider Williams’ MONSIGNOR a favorite; still haven’t seen that movie, but if I do at some point, it will be entirely because the score is so good. Come to think of it, this all dates back to my childhood; the first score I ever fell in love with—THE PHANTOM MENACE—I considered my favorite well before I even saw the film.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Taikomochi in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Pretty often, actually. And the ones that I have seen the films to, I only saw the film to because I already considered the score a favorite. Great scores often influence my movie-watching choices. But seeing the film has nothing to do with initially cementing a score as a favorite.
     
    I considered Horner’s THE LAND BEFORE TIME an all-time favorite for years before I finally got around to watching the film. I consider Williams’ MONSIGNOR a favorite; still haven’t seen that movie, but if I do at some point, it will be entirely because the score is so good. Come to think of it, this all dates back to my childhood; the first score I ever fell in love with—THE PHANTOM MENACE—I considered my favorite well before I even saw the film.
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    Locrius reacted to Richard Penna in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    I do, but that's more from seeing a lot of documentaries and wanting to find the music. I find a lot of really engaging music in the searching process.
     
    I find it hard to believe that appreciating a score without seeing the film is unusual. Absolutely there are exceptions, and some scores that only opened up after viewing the film, but I think it works both ways.
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    Locrius reacted to Richard Penna in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    To an extent yes, it's about what we think we should get out of a film, music-wise, and if the filmmakers have gone in a different direction, then that's disappointing but it's their choice. Absolutely agree with you there.
     
    But then there's the ability to debate that end result and discuss how suitable we think it was as a scoring approach. That's a very valid and often fun discussion to have, and we were doing that until Koray smashed open the door and ordered us to watch the film before offering any opinions, and then to please (pretty please) avoid pesky negative opinions.
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    Locrius reacted to Richard Penna in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Honestly, when we're debating about our simple ability to discuss whether a score's any good, something's gone wrong
     
    Thing is, this isn't a black and white issue - there are loads of orchestral scores I think are rubbish, and many RCP ones that I love. This is simply about one composer assignment where the composer's prior output hasn't struck a chord with many, and the end result is having a similar effect. There's no reason at all to have such an offended approach to criticism.
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    Locrius reacted to Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    How many times must @Drew say he wasn't the one who tagged the composer? 
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    Locrius reacted to Richard Penna in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    I'm fairly sure that this is the reason behind almost all of the condescending negativity in this thread.
     
    When it spills over into being so condescending and dismissive of any criticism whatsoever of the score, that starts to become a big problem.
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    Locrius reacted to Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Yeah, if a person wants to be taken seriously as a critic he should accept that people can have different opinions about a score.
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    Locrius reacted to deleted account in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    As a relative outsider (and less frequent poster) looking in, there is something very interesting going in this thread.  Koray really seems to be personally, emotionally involved in what people say, and how people feel, about the director McQuarrie and composer Balfe, as much, or even more than, the movie itself.  It seems like anyone who makes a negative comment about the film or its score gets treated as if they've personally insulted not only the director and composer, but also Koray himself, to a degree.  I honestly, and with the utmost respect, wonder why that is....
     
    I think it's funny that Dan Goldwasser (Scoringsessions.com) got all annoyed when Drew asked about the "Pirates" score on Twitter, too. 
     
    A funny commonality between the two (as many here may know) is that Koray's brother runs FILM.MUSIC.MEDIA and Dan runs SCORING SESSIONS.  Both of these websites rely on positive personal relationships with composers, in the latter case, to get permission to come photograph recording sessions, and in the prior case, to get inside access to composers for their in-depth video interviews.
     
    Not that anyone asked, but personally, I think the current trend in film music tends to favor scores that sound more like recordings/sound design and less like live orchestral performances.  I liken it to the trend in the 90's when MTV-style quick-cutting was all the rage in filmmaking, or when digital color-grading came in and made everything look super saturated (like Oh Brother Where Art Though or Ultraviolet) or when Bullet-time was everywhere.  I think Drew asked a relevant question when he asked about samples vs. live.  Does anyone here really think that RCP scores sound the same as JW scores?  Honestly, I think we all agree RCP has a sound that is not really anything like JW's.
     
    There are people on this board who dismiss the current sound (myself included, if I'm honest), and there are people who like it.  The people who seem to like it, such as Mr. Who, seem to take any criticism of it as a pointless exercise in "bashing" music they like.   Some even seem to feel like certain people here take JW too seriously, which strikes me as funny considering this IS a John Williams fan site.
     
    One thing that has emerged seems to be that the community here could be sorted into two very general camps - 1 camp likes to listen to film music primarily for it's musical value and the other camp likes to listen to film music primarily because of its association with a film.  Camp 1 has been critical of the score to Fallout, while camp 2 has argued that camp 1 is disregarding what it's association to the film adds to it.  For what it's worth, I fall into camp 1, again, not that anybody asked.
     
    thoughts?
     
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    Locrius got a reaction from Bayesian in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    I love the irony of a film music reviewer/writer—who has a reviews website because obviously he thinks his and his brother's opinions are worth people "caring" about—saying "who cares?" when it comes to someone else's opinion. I see absolutely nothing wrong with @Drew wondering out loud if other people on Twitter also felt like the score sounds like samples; just like I also see nothing wrong with him thinking of it as a "waste" of time, money etc. when a full orchestra is hired to perform a score and it winds up sounding (from his perspective at least) like samples.
     
     
    Entitled to what? They're sharing their opinions on social media. What exactly are you saying they're entitled to, that they shouldn't be?
     
     
    ...Okay? And? And people will just keep on criticizing them as they see fit. As they have every right to. Not sure what point you're trying to make. You really have no business reviewing film music, if you get so heated at the notion that people have differing opinions. Your whole comment reeks of condescension.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Richard Penna in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    I love the irony of a film music reviewer/writer—who has a reviews website because obviously he thinks his and his brother's opinions are worth people "caring" about—saying "who cares?" when it comes to someone else's opinion. I see absolutely nothing wrong with @Drew wondering out loud if other people on Twitter also felt like the score sounds like samples; just like I also see nothing wrong with him thinking of it as a "waste" of time, money etc. when a full orchestra is hired to perform a score and it winds up sounding (from his perspective at least) like samples.
     
     
    Entitled to what? They're sharing their opinions on social media. What exactly are you saying they're entitled to, that they shouldn't be?
     
     
    ...Okay? And? And people will just keep on criticizing them as they see fit. As they have every right to. Not sure what point you're trying to make. You really have no business reviewing film music, if you get so heated at the notion that people have differing opinions. Your whole comment reeks of condescension.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    I love the irony of a film music reviewer/writer—who has a reviews website because obviously he thinks his and his brother's opinions are worth people "caring" about—saying "who cares?" when it comes to someone else's opinion. I see absolutely nothing wrong with @Drew wondering out loud if other people on Twitter also felt like the score sounds like samples; just like I also see nothing wrong with him thinking of it as a "waste" of time, money etc. when a full orchestra is hired to perform a score and it winds up sounding (from his perspective at least) like samples.
     
     
    Entitled to what? They're sharing their opinions on social media. What exactly are you saying they're entitled to, that they shouldn't be?
     
     
    ...Okay? And? And people will just keep on criticizing them as they see fit. As they have every right to. Not sure what point you're trying to make. You really have no business reviewing film music, if you get so heated at the notion that people have differing opinions. Your whole comment reeks of condescension.
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    Locrius reacted to crocodile in What Is The Last Score You Listened To?   
    Hubris by John Powell. The best thing he's ever done. Absolutely love this album. People who doubt Powell is capable of writing some passages in Solo should give this a listen for it is even better.
     
    Karol
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    Locrius reacted to Not Mr. Big in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Whoever tagged Balfe is an asshole but Balfe himself comes across as a bit indignant at the fact that somebody doesn't like his score (yes, that type of score is what Balfe was asked to do but that doesn't make the score or general approach above criticism)
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    Locrius reacted to Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Oh, there seemed to be quite a lengthy conversation where he tried to clarify what he meant by the yes/no question, although I think the poll question is perfectly understandable without any clarification.
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    Locrius reacted to Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    In the poll he clearly asks about how people think the final product sounds, which of course is determined by the recording, mixing, postprocessing, and other factors.
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    Locrius reacted to Drew in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    I would say that Balfe was the initial aggressor in the conversation. His first reply showed that he misread the poll question (what the listeners heard even though we all knew it was a real orchestra). He then dodged my points by claiming that my headphones were not sufficient and that some listeners had wax in our ears. You guys are misinterpreting me as being nasty, but he evidently kept not understanding my questions, and thus I kept having to rephrase them repeatedly...
     

     

     

     
    Also, 36.4 people is not the same as 36.4 percent... 😛
     
    Then, I tested the waters with another score that surely wouldn't still make people go crazy (and legitimately sounds like it is performed on dated samples)...
     
    And look who brought Balfe back for another round:
     

     
    I'm just trying to have a conversation about the way these scores are mixed and everyone is losing their minds.
     
     
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