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I have to say i adore all the new JW music for this film (which i will only be able to see when it starts in our cinemas in Austria in March).
The music is just so beautiful, magical, simple and uplifting.
A real (much too short) gem, which leaves me wanting more... more extensive development of these themes, more extensive arrangements,...
It seems like a wonderful appetizer to a more extensive score that you crave but will never come, it is that good.

Ordered Amistad but from a European retailer and really looking forward to it.
Such a wealth of unreleased material. I still remember some great underscore music when i watched the film for the first and only time about 8-10 years ago.
And finally also the gorgeous guitar source cue gets released.

Ordered Amistad but from a European retailer and really looking forward to it.
Such a wealth of unreleased material. I still remember some great underscore music when i watched the film for the first and only time about 8-10 years ago.
And finally also the gorgeous guitar source cue gets released.

Honestly the trailer itself is great and the first music part before the Indy Theme kicks in works quite well (even though it fulfills all the standard generic trailer music tropes).
 
But the Indy Theme in this slowed and spread out version with this low budget synth brass is a major head scratcher.
The major behind the scenes drama at Disney and chaos at Lucasfilm seem to continue to result in these ongoing quality hickups that should have never passed the upper management.

Ordered Amistad but from a European retailer and really looking forward to it.
Such a wealth of unreleased material. I still remember some great underscore music when i watched the film for the first and only time about 8-10 years ago.
And finally also the gorgeous guitar source cue gets released.

It says a lot that you support and even propone an entertainment for the dumb, for the easily entertained "switch off your brain" people.
An entertainment perfect for lazy producers, lazy writers and lazy directors...who would otherwise deservedly be out of a job.
 
I'm the opposite, i want care, excellence and quality. Not the minimum effort. I want the maximum effort in a believable and great story that makes sense and follows the rules set for the chosen fantasy world.
If a story makes no sense anymore, then you can't respect it or believe anything you see or read anymore. Such a story is dead and such a franchise loses the deep fanbase that really cares.

It says a lot that you support and even propone an entertainment for the dumb, for the easily entertained "switch off your brain" people.
An entertainment perfect for lazy producers, lazy writers and lazy directors...who would otherwise deservedly be out of a job.
 
I'm the opposite, i want care, excellence and quality. Not the minimum effort. I want the maximum effort in a believable and great story that makes sense and follows the rules set for the chosen fantasy world.
If a story makes no sense anymore, then you can't respect it or believe anything you see or read anymore. Such a story is dead and such a franchise loses the deep fanbase that really cares.

That's not between the lines. Obi Wan knows it. You should rewatch RotS.
 
The Kenobi writers show their absolute and true incompetence by creating another huge plot hole and story mistake.
This results in the end of Kenobi Episode 2 making no sense and directly conflicting with RotS.
 
After recalibrating the code to warn Jedi to stay away from Coruscant, Kenobi views a security recording of Anakin killing Jedi and younglings in temple. It then cuts to Anakin kneeling before Darth Sidious/Palpatine.
Sidious tells him, “You have done well, my new apprentice. Now, Lord Vader, go and bring peace to the Empire.
 
After viewing the security footage, Yoda tells Obi-Wan, “Twisted by the dark side young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.”
Obi-Wan is then tasked with killing Darth Vader by Yoda as he sets out to face off against Darth Sidious.
 
That means since that point of time Obi Wan knows that Anakin is called Darth Vader, even though at this point he is still without mask and injuries.
Later on when the name of the guy with the mask gets known as Darth Vader in the Galaxy, Obi Wan of course pieces it together that this must be Anakin!
 
In RotJ, Kenobi makes it abundantly clear to Luke that he knew Vader was alive when Luke questions him about the other that Yoda spoke of.
Kenobi tells Luke, “The other he spoke of is your twin sister.” Luke retorts, “But I have no sister.” Kenobi then explains, “To protect you both from the emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born.”
(see https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/06/06/obi-wan-kenobi-writer-appears-to-be-oblivious-of-revenge-of-the-sith-has-no-clue-kenobi-knew-anakin-was-darth-vader/)
 
They obviously wouldn't hide Leia and Luke from Anakin, if the believed Anakin to be dead.
Also Padme says that "there is still good in him" when she dies. Why would she say that to Obi Wan that there is still good in Anakin, when they think Anakin is dead?
 
So this dialogue in RotJ and also RotS confirms that Obi Wan knew that Anakin is Vader at the end of RotS and that the Kenobi writers are completely incompetent, because this is a huge story mistake.

That's not between the lines. Obi Wan knows it. You should rewatch RotS.
 
The Kenobi writers show their absolute and true incompetence by creating another huge plot hole and story mistake.
This results in the end of Kenobi Episode 2 making no sense and directly conflicting with RotS.
 
After recalibrating the code to warn Jedi to stay away from Coruscant, Kenobi views a security recording of Anakin killing Jedi and younglings in temple. It then cuts to Anakin kneeling before Darth Sidious/Palpatine.
Sidious tells him, “You have done well, my new apprentice. Now, Lord Vader, go and bring peace to the Empire.
 
After viewing the security footage, Yoda tells Obi-Wan, “Twisted by the dark side young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.”
Obi-Wan is then tasked with killing Darth Vader by Yoda as he sets out to face off against Darth Sidious.
 
That means since that point of time Obi Wan knows that Anakin is called Darth Vader, even though at this point he is still without mask and injuries.
Later on when the name of the guy with the mask gets known as Darth Vader in the Galaxy, Obi Wan of course pieces it together that this must be Anakin!
 
In RotJ, Kenobi makes it abundantly clear to Luke that he knew Vader was alive when Luke questions him about the other that Yoda spoke of.
Kenobi tells Luke, “The other he spoke of is your twin sister.” Luke retorts, “But I have no sister.” Kenobi then explains, “To protect you both from the emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born.”
(see https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/06/06/obi-wan-kenobi-writer-appears-to-be-oblivious-of-revenge-of-the-sith-has-no-clue-kenobi-knew-anakin-was-darth-vader/)
 
They obviously wouldn't hide Leia and Luke from Anakin, if the believed Anakin to be dead.
Also Padme says that "there is still good in him" when she dies. Why would she say that to Obi Wan that there is still good in Anakin, when they think Anakin is dead?
 
So this dialogue in RotJ and also RotS confirms that Obi Wan knew that Anakin is Vader at the end of RotS and that the Kenobi writers are completely incompetent, because this is a huge story mistake.

Good job, as others have mentioned i also would prefer a more condensed version, like for example Crimes of Grindelwald Theme could be one Theme instead of 5 different theme parts, etc...
 
I must say the biggest problem (in the best possible sense) i often have with JNH scores is that i feel he doesn't really recognize what his strongest themes and material are and often puts lesser melodies in the spotlight with many appearances, while degrading his best thematic material to only very few appearances.
 
Take for example the in my opinion best theme of fantastic beasts, which i would call "Newts Main Theme", which in your document is a combination of "Newts Theme" and the "Case Theme". For me your "Case Theme" is in fact Newts Main Theme and your Newts Theme is in fact just an underlying Motif which acts as a lead in to the Newts Main Theme.
Newts Main Theme only plays three times in the film, the main theme motif four times and it doesn't feature even once in Crimes of Grindelwald (!)...a colossal wasted opportunity in my view
This theme in my opinion would even have made for a great fantastic beasts main theme.
 
Then there is the "Grimes of Grindelwald Theme" which in my opinion is one of the best musical pieces of the last few years...it really is the absolute highlight of Crimes of Grindelwald and only plays two short times, one of which are the end credits. What's going on there, why isn't this all over the score... the quality of this theme would merit that but instead it is completely wasted...
 
Or remember the Maleficient flies theme which is also shamefully underused but still the best musical piece of both Maleficient films.
 
JNH is a great composer but i would wish that his Dinosaur or Waterworld sensibilities would return again (where he let his best themes stand in the spotlight and play out)
 

My list still is pretty much the same as several years ago, in ranked order:
 
1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
3) Jurassic Park
4) Star Wars
5) Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
6) Raiders of the Lost Ark
7) The Phantom Menace
8) ET
9) Home Alone
10) War Horse
 
and damn, Temple of Doom is so mindblowingly good.
Only in terms of themes TESB beats it.
 
I guess Temple of Doom also must be one of the hardest scores to play in orginal film tempo (see mine car chase).
The roller coaster ride of the film was perfectly matched in terms of score.
 
From the recent scores (post 2000) PoA and War Horse were the ones that really went beyond.
PoA is just a fireworks of creativity, nuance, emotion and freshness that in my opinion is unmatched in JW career (and also unique in terms of the medieval feel to it).
 
War Horse is just beautiful, like drinking a warm fresh coffee in the morning sun, while looking through the window into a green lush spring countryside with the sun rays shining and shimmering through the coffee steam. Just beautiful performances, themes, freshness and style.
Someone on JWFAN then described it like the the first sip of fresh water after a long (musical) drought - which means the years 2006-2011 where with KotCS in 2008 only one new JW score got released. 
 
 
 
 

That was really fantastic.
 
I started watching right before midnight only planning to watch 10-20 minutes before going to bed, but then i was glued to the sofa till the end and went to bed with a smile on my face.
 
I loved your selection of music previews and all the pictures/photos of JW and the LSO that were shown at the appropriate spots in the discussion.
 
It was a great moment in the end, when David Cripps directly addressed John Williams (in case he somehow gets to watch this discussion) to personally thank him.
 
Thanks for making that happen!
Kudos to you, Maurizio and Tim, and hoping for other similar future video events.

That was really fantastic.
 
I started watching right before midnight only planning to watch 10-20 minutes before going to bed, but then i was glued to the sofa till the end and went to bed with a smile on my face.
 
I loved your selection of music previews and all the pictures/photos of JW and the LSO that were shown at the appropriate spots in the discussion.
 
It was a great moment in the end, when David Cripps directly addressed John Williams (in case he somehow gets to watch this discussion) to personally thank him.
 
Thanks for making that happen!
Kudos to you, Maurizio and Tim, and hoping for other similar future video events.

That was really fantastic.
 
I started watching right before midnight only planning to watch 10-20 minutes before going to bed, but then i was glued to the sofa till the end and went to bed with a smile on my face.
 
I loved your selection of music previews and all the pictures/photos of JW and the LSO that were shown at the appropriate spots in the discussion.
 
It was a great moment in the end, when David Cripps directly addressed John Williams (in case he somehow gets to watch this discussion) to personally thank him.
 
Thanks for making that happen!
Kudos to you, Maurizio and Tim, and hoping for other similar future video events.

That was really fantastic.
 
I started watching right before midnight only planning to watch 10-20 minutes before going to bed, but then i was glued to the sofa till the end and went to bed with a smile on my face.
 
I loved your selection of music previews and all the pictures/photos of JW and the LSO that were shown at the appropriate spots in the discussion.
 
It was a great moment in the end, when David Cripps directly addressed John Williams (in case he somehow gets to watch this discussion) to personally thank him.
 
Thanks for making that happen!
Kudos to you, Maurizio and Tim, and hoping for other similar future video events.

This is a collection of all the rare and not so rare Richard Dyer / Boston Globe articles i could aquire over the years. In it JW often talks about the score he worked/works on at the time of the article. This would be great to be added to the corresponding filmography sections as a bonus.
This is a work in progress topic. If you have any other JW articles please post them here and i will add them to the main post!
1980
JW is new Pops Maestro - Richard Dyer 1980


JW passes Test with flying Colors - Richard Dyer - 1980



QA with John Williams - Richard Dyer - 1980



Where is JW coming from - Richard Dyer - 1980



1981
Borok and Williams make Merry - Richard Dyer - 1981



JW quiet side - Boston Globe - 1981



1982
Orchestrating a new pops season - Richard Dyer - 1982



1983
Williams Answers Spielberg's Call For Music - George McKinnon - 1983



1986
Getting ready for a big date - Richard Dyer - 1986



1987
Pride and Pops - Richard Dyer - 1987



1988
Pops well tempered for upcoming season - Richard Dyer - 1988



1989
JW begins 10th year with Pops - Richard Dyer - 1989



Orchestrating Indiana Jones - Boston Globe 1989



JW pursuit of Excellence - Boston Globe - 1989



You will be hearing from him - Richard Dyer - 1989



How JW celebrates Christmas - Boston Globe - 1989



A new recording contract for Pops - Richard Dyer - 1989



1990
JW talks pops past and future - Richard Dyer - 1990



The Music Man - Richard Dyer - 1990



1991
JW to retire in 93 - Richard Dyer - 1991



1992
Hook and JFK - Richard Dyer - 1992



Articles from 1993 till Today are included in my next posting below

The prequels on all accounts!

I don't know, i was disappointed about the visual aspects.
 
Visually it looks somehow bland and boring, devoid of any colour and wonder.
 
The set design is also far too ancient/stoney looking, like a medieval film. I mean look at that boring library set or the establishing shot of the atreides home base, that looks like a generic medieval castle or even a temple ruin.
 
I really miss a sense of wonder and awe which is something i expect from a science fiction film which takes place in outer space and on different planets.

TLJ was even a more glorified Rebellion 2.0 vs Empire 2.0. The New Republic plothole was ignored instead of fixed. 
And we are made to believe that 2000 people are a menace for the First Order instead of the rest of the Galaxy who didnt even appear apart from Casino City. Sure its because of the TFA plotholes that made our heroes easily destroy starkiller base...the lifework of the First Order... our Deathstar 3.0 where Captain Phasma on gunpoint deactivated the whole Starkiller Base SHIELD just to save her life... she alone could and would do that... ridiculous

People like you are the reason Hollywood got lazy and stopped caring to write scripts without a myriad of plotholes. For people like you the superficial entertainment is enough, films dont have to make sense even within their own franchise.
Its a sad time for cinema....

How does that make any sense? Bloodlines is a sad try by the Lucasfilm Story Group to somehow try to damage control this trainwreck of a story and find any explanation at all for the stupid starkiller shot onto the New Republic Starsystem.
It still makes zero sense.
 
No sane people would station their whole fleet only in one system when there are 1000s of worlds in the galaxy!!!
No government could work and function for 1000s of worlds when all military and governmental power is concentrated on only 3 planets. (its such a joke plotwise in TFA)
This cant ever be explained at all because it doesnt make any sense. If you have any clue about politics and how the world works you realize that, no matter how many books by Lucasfilm try to fix that....

I mean WTF are you talking about? What could be more lazy and more brainless than to make films with a Rebellion 2.0 against Empire 2.0 when the Rebellion has ALREADY WON THE WAR and is in control of the galaxy as the NEW REPUBLIC.
 
Now how does it make any sense that the New Republic is wiped out including their fleet when one star system gets destroyed. WTF???
The galaxy has 1000s of worlds and the ruling party only has military and control over 3 planets....its like it was written by a 3 year old kindergarten kid
 
Then you have 2000 people called the Resistance who are a fucking joke in terms of military force and nobody ever explains why the First Order or the New Republic even care about this little splinter group. One First Order Star Destroyer has more people than the whole Resistance and we are made to believe that they are a menace for the First Order?
 
It all makes no fucking sense unless you follow the logic of 3 year old kids...thats why many fans are insulted
 
Demodex, i almost envy you that you can switch off your brain so much during watching to not see nor realize all this lazy ass shit.

TLJ and to smaller extent TFA are lazy brainless entertainment, because they make absolutely no sense plotwise within the Starwars Saga and Universe.
 
People like you seem to switch off their brains and dont think about backstory, the world making sense, character motivations and worldbuilding within a franchise in general.
 
But there are lots of people who care about these things, who dont want brainless stupid popcorn entertainment with a myriad of plot holes because the writers are lazy as ass which in turn now  leads to 2 franchise films that contradict the other 6 franchise films.
Thats how you anger a fanbase!

You come across as the kind of guy who likes brainless popcorn entertainment and don't want to think deeper about the background , the world and the motives of the story and its characters.
 
Is it really ok for you if a film does not to make any sense within a franchise as long as you are entertained???
 
Last Jedi is hated by so many fans because it makes absolutely no sense storywise within the Starwars Saga. Its a parody.

Interesting post i read that i want to share here, which shows the stupidness of the whole backstory of the sequel trilogy:
 
The politics of the sequels is so puzzling. First it's so vague and unhelpful for creating context during the movie, then they use books to fill in the details, but the movie has established details that are so dumb that the book explanations end up completely contradictory...
 
Here, follow this 'logic':
Q: So why didn't the New Republic want to take on the First Order themselves? Why are the Resistance on their own?
A: Well acting directly would destabilize the galaxy and start a shooting war. They were in a Cold War type situation that could easily slip into a conflict that would cost billions of lives.
Q: Oh, wow, sounds intense. So the NR must have been stockpiling weapons and constantly monitoring the FO in case the bad guys decided to nuke them or do some Pearl Harbour thing, right?
A: No, the NR planets were afraid of the central government turning into a new empire like what happened under Palpatine, so they decided to disarm down to just a defense fleet so the individual planets couldn't be dominated by a single central force.
Q: Oh, so I guess they split up the command of the armed forces then? And stationed the ships at different points around the galaxy so that the whole military couldn't go rogue all at once? And the individual planets had their own national guard type forces under their own command?
A: Oh no, none of the individual planets had military. And the NR put the whole fleet around the central government planet under central command and-
Q: But you just said they were afraid of a dominant central government!
A: ...and then the FO Pearl Harbored them. With nukes. And wiped out all the NR's military power. Which was conveniently stationed around the central government. Even though the people didn't want them to have all the military power.
Q: ...fuck you.