JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Which is the better love theme?Don't just vote, tell us why, justify your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMacGyver 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Across The Stars, because it is not all-candy like Can You Read My Mind. ATS has this bittersweet undertone for this forbidden love that has to lead to a tragic end. When the strings suddenly fall down to a dark intermission, it reminds us of the doom that both will have to face.This complex interpretation is not possible for CYRMM because it is just a cliched, albeit excellent tune. Across The Stars is very ambivalent which makes it superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 67 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Across the Stars. I know that it is a reworking of Hook crossed with Nixon, but to me it is more emotionally complex. It doesn't necessarily have the harmonic or melodic interest of Superman, but Across the Stars just clicks with me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Agree about what hte previous posters say about Across the Stars, it being more emotionally complex and such, but I voted Superman. I actually cant really choose between them but its Superman's as of today as I've been listening to it for the past few days and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrakul 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Superman; don't know how to justify it except I like it better. My iTunes counter says that I've listened to the Superman Love Theme 21 times more than I've listened to Across The Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Across The Stars for me. I feel a bit more "moved" (I guess) when I listen to ATS. Plus I'm not that really fond of "Can You Read My Mind". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Superman. I didn't even have to think for a second. The score moves me more, the movie obviously moves me ALOT more, and I just love the celli in that piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 147 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 The brooding caged passion of Across the Stars gives it the edge over the youthful celebratory nature of Can You Read My Mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Can I read your Mind is the better of the two,but that theme is inferior to the love themes from Empire Strikes Back,Raiders and ToD,so i'm not giving it a ringing endorsement.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 "Love Theme from Superman." They are both pretty good.By the way, anybody that voted for "Across the Stars" will be receiving their ass-pounding shortly. Joe does regard "Love Theme from Superman" as John Williams's greatest composition ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Can I read your Mind is the better of the twoK.M.Is that a bootleg? Where can I get it? I only have Can You Read My Mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 It's recorded by the Verdi Orchestra.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 Can You Read my Mind and the Love theme from Superman are two seperate cues, don't any of you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I like Eb better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 whats EB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 A tough choice, these are in my opinion Williams' two best love themes ever (though Han & Leia and the Temple of Doom love theme are up there too).The Flying Sequence is one of the highlights of Superman, the superior presentation to the concert version IMO. While ATS gets one of Williams greatest thematic concert pieces ever, really putting it through the motions and adding a lot of foreboding with the dark sections. Across the Starts gets it by a nose.John- also preparing for the wrath of Joe John2- who was also contemplating a "what's better" poll but will now wait a few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Han and Leia Is the best Williams love theme,perhaps his greatest theme altogetherK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codanai 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 king mark wrote:Can I read your Mind is the better of the two K.M.Is that a bootleg? Where can I get it? I only have Can You Read My Mind.This is the second refrain, where Superman bursts into song to Lois Lane.I think that Can You Read My Mind is more immediately accessible than Across the Stars, but perhaps the latter has more depth of feeling. They're both really really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Superman can sing? Damn, I need to hear it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Superman can sing? Damn, I need to hear it...Listen and Weep....Actually I'm sure it was a decent show - I have that CD and dust it off reasonably often....Greg - who loves both of the themes in this poll, but went for "Love Theme from Superman" for it's beautiful simplicity and un-erring ability to induce a sense of child-like innocent wonder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Is this one of those threads were Joe wants to 'prove' that the Superman Love Theme is so much better than anything from Attack Of The Clones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Is this one of those threads were Joe wants to 'prove' that the Superman Love Theme is so much better than anything from Attack Of The Clones?He's welcome to do so because I agree with him. To me, "Love Theme from Superman" is the superior track because I'm more fond of its whimsical and pure nature, and of course its nostalgia value and originality compared to Williams' somewhat disappointing "Across the Stars". "ATS" isn't a bad track, it's just too blatantly derivative and manipulative for my tastes. I liked its variations in ROTS much more. "Love Theme from Superman" is also developed in more interesting and varied ways throughout the score from the "Main Title March" to "The Flying Sequence" and finally in "Turning Back the World". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Thought - I wonder if Love Theme from Superman was played at either of the Reeve's funerals.....anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Joe this is like comparing a slab of mud to a sirlion steak.The love theme from Superman hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 easily Superman, its just well...umm... better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love theme from Superman. Easily. Even though it's clearly a rip off of Death and Transfiguration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love theme from Superman. Easily. Even though it's clearly a rip off of Death and Transfiguration.Really? Tell me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Listen to Richard Strauss' Death and Transfiguration. The main theme that appears about halfway through the piece (and dominates the second half of the work) is the same 5-note head-motive that begins the Love Theme from Superman. It is the same notes, same rhythm, and most strikingly the same harmony. You hear it and think "Oh my God! It's the love theme from Superman!". Where Williams' genius lies is how he then wrote a continuation of the theme that was completely original and very, very Williams. Seriously though, listen to Death and Transfiguration and about halfway through you will suddenly sit up and say "What the ****!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I actually prefer Across the Stars (or, Love Theme from Attack of the Clones) more often, but I think the Love theme from Supes is used far better in the actual score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love Theme from Superman The Movie was composed by 1970's Williams.Across The Stars by 21th Century Williams.So obviously the Superman track is far superiour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love Theme from Superman The Movie was composed by 1970's Williams.Across The Stars by 21th Century Williams.So obviously the Superman track is far superiour.I agree. To be honest, I can't even recall this "Across The Stars" tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 They are both excellent, and vastly differing love themes, describing two very different loves.But since "Superman" is such a far superior film to "Attack of the Clones" (which I find almost unwatchable), I think, in the context for which it was written, I will prefer "Can You Read My Mind".As pure music, I'm equally enamoured with both... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Superman, because the Clones arrangement is too long and depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I think "Across the Stars" carries the meaning of love better than the always-sweet Love Theme from Superman...Being the idealist I am, I therefore go with Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I voted for Superman,but let me once again disagree with most people. I think the ATS is Williams attempting to portray the darkness of the relationship moreso then the love part. Notice how STRICTly he uses the star wars main theme shape, he really didn't have much room to come up with something completely new. I voted for Superman because I just like the music of that theme a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love Theme from Superman The Movie was composed by 1970's Williams.Across The Stars by 21th Century Williams.So obviously the Superman track is far superiour.That's poor logic.Some 21st centuri themes are equal or superiour to 70's-80's Williams(like Harry's wondrous world,hedwig's theme)k.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love Theme from Superman The Movie was composed by 1970's Williams.Across The Stars by 21th Century Williams.So obviously the Superman track is far superiour.That's poor logic.Some 21st centuri themes are equal or superiour to 70's-80's Williams(like Harry's wondrous world,hedwig's theme)k.M.*Cough* Don't forget A Window to the Past...which hands down beats Love Theme from Superman and Across the Stars, combined. It could damn well be a very good love theme. *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 At least the love theme from Superman is hummable. Across the Stars is too deep on my vocal chords. By the way, my Margot Kiddor recital on the love theme has to be heard at dinner parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 At least the love theme from Superman is hummable. Across the Stars is too deep on my vocal chords. By the way, my Margot Kiddor recital on the love theme has to be heard at dinner parties.Everytime I try to hum it, I end up with Hook's theme...GRRR. It's so annoying, and I can never tell where I go wrong. I hate it when I try to hum something, and I end up humming something similar but different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 That is why you fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmanand 0 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love Theme from Superman The Movie was composed by 1970's Williams.Across The Stars by 21th Century Williams.So obviously the Superman track is far superiour.By that logic, the March from 1941 is vastly better than, say, the Trade Federation March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Even logic must give way to physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Even logic must give way to physics.According to which, Hitch's mass maintains the gravitational constant of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love Theme from Superman The Movie was composed by 1970's Williams.Across The Stars by 21th Century Williams.So obviously the Superman track is far superiour.By that logic, the March from 1941 is vastly better than, say, the Trade Federation March.and it is, see, that logic works again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Love Theme from Superman The Movie was composed by 1970's Williams.Across The Stars by 21th Century Williams.So obviously the Superman track is far superiour.By that logic, the March from 1941 is vastly better than, say, the Trade Federation March.and it is, see, that logic works again.Agreed. On the 1941 > Trade Federation march anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 "Love Theme from Superman" because it's not a re-tread of Luke's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 yeah Jeff, haven't seen you in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hmm, difficult to say. Both are lovely, in very different ways. I shall listen to both pieces, contemplate, and return with my decision!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 "Love Theme from Superman" because it's not a re-tread of Luke's Theme.Then across the stars is a masterpiece...I'm not voting here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Which is the better love theme?"Across the Stars" is a love theme? Learn something new everyday.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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