Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 These scores will never sell. They need Hans Zimmer to re-orchestrate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'm sure they'll re-release the scores as they are now...with "re-mastered" sound and screensaversK.M....and stickers.They can leave liner notes out as long as the box set comes with a full size replica of Indy's fedora or the Ark or something. fsbCan you imagine that? A cd boxset packaged inside of a miniature golden ark of the covenant?! Hilarious. When you'd first open it, there would be a covering layer of fine sand, so you could sift through it with your trembling hand while a friend next to you could cackle hideously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rienzi0711 0 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Can you imagine that? A cd boxset packaged inside of a miniature golden ark of the covenant?! Hilarious. When you'd first open it, there would be a covering layer of fine sand, so you could sift through it with your trembling hand while a friend next to you could cackle hideously.Bwahahahaha. That'd be the greatest boxset packaging... ever. Most expensive, too, probably. fsb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The sad thing is I can actually picture Lucasfilm doing something like that to jack the price up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 and the Ballroom Cue which is a must haveCouldn't agree more. One of the greatest "unknown" John Williams pieces...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 wow seems like good news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rienzi0711 0 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 The sad thing is I can actually picture Lucasfilm doing something like that to jack the price up.And they could have the Ark in a wooden crate like in the movie, just to crank the price up a few more dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'd actually like a replica of the temple idol from the opening of Raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'd actually like a replica of the temple idol from the opening of RaidersI actually have an idol that my wife picked up years ago (she can't even remember where from) that turns out, oddly, to be miniature white replica of the idol from Raiders. Weird. Some kind of fertility godess, I am assuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 . Weird. Some kind of fertility godess, I am assuming.Goddess?It has a big p*n*s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 You mean penis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 "What is that? It looks just like an enormous..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 . Weird. Some kind of fertility godess, I am assuming.Goddess?It has a big p*n*s...It is a goddess. She's giving birth.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 It reminds me of a clown riding a tiny bicycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 T....t....Tower Records! *burst into tears*I have Dance of the Witches, is the rest of the score in the same vein?Tower is out of business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 . Weird. Some kind of fertility godess, I am assuming.Goddess?It has a big p*n*s...It is a goddess. She's giving birth.NeilI thought about it, but untill today, i had not seen a fertility figurine portraying that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Pretty much. Witches is the first stirrings of what would become the "Hook/Home Alone/Potter" sound. I still haven't really gotten into it though.So I feel it too - this sound started in 1987 (also with Empire of the Sun e.g. Jim's New Life) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I hear things differantly....ET started JW's 80's sound. And it kind of ended with Jurrassic Park. HP is more like 00's JW throw back to late 80's JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I hear things differantly....ET started JW's 80's sound. And it kind of ended with Jurrassic Park. HP is more like 00's JW throw back to late 80's JW.Interesting...I can hear things in E.T. which could be heard in JP, but overall I think it sounds more pre-Indiana Jones (so, more like SW than like JP). HP as a throwback to late 80's and early 90's I surely second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I think JW has a specific sound that ended with Spacecamp in 1986.(E.T.,ToD,Amazing Stories,Spacecamp...)Home Alone,Last Crusade,Hook is another chapter .HP is a throwback to this.JP is the precursor of Modern Williams with less thematic action musicK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I think JW has a specific sound that ended with Spacecamp in 1986.(E.T.,ToD,Amazing Stories,Spacecamp...)Home Alone,Last Crusade,Hook,JP is a little different.HP is a throwback to thisK.M.Ok, then I think we see things quite the same. I always distinguish the following stylistic periods:pre-19691969 (Lost in Space)-1981 (E.T.)1981 (Raiders)-1986 (Spacecamp)1987 (Empire of the Sun)-1995 (re-arrangements for Williams on Williams album)1996 (Sabrina)-nowI think things have in some way to do with orchestrators. It's remarkable that JW's switch to 'smooth' style (late 80's, early 90's) takes place around the same time he switched from main orchestrator Herbert Sepncer to John Neufeld/Alexander Courage (and later also Conrad Pope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 T....t....Tower Records! *burst into tears*I have Dance of the Witches, is the rest of the score in the same vein?Tower is out of business?Yes they went out of business in either 2005 or 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 I think only in the US. I know that Tower is still alive and thriving over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Is anyone else wondering whether we're all just projecting our own structured view of Williams' work into all these "periods" in his career. I'm sure we can all pick and choose particular "styles" he employed in these periods, but to do this invites a reductive understanding of any artist's style. Of course, there are general tendencies in any artist's work over time, but we must be careful not to place too much emphasis on what we believe to be very clean-cuts periods in an artist's career. When we do that, we'll start hearing what we want to hear, and create "evidence" to support our own asumptions via selective labeling. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booboobasher 0 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Im sorry to say but im a realist too, and we are all a victim of the Lucasfilm merchandising. Oh we will get a release or the original soundtracks with all the extras im sure just in order to help sell the new film. Im dam sure its going to happen. Ohooo, God my wallet has just given me a nasty twitch.I have to admit I am ashamed to say the I have some of the soundtracks on bootlegs etc but I would gladly buy a fully remastered and expanded boxset, I remember how I felt when I saw the STAR WARS THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK ANTHOLOGY in the early ninety’s.... Oh the rush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Is anyone else wondering whether we're all just projecting our own structured view of Williams' work into all these "periods" in his career. I'm sure we can all pick and choose particular "styles" he employed in these periods, but to do this invites a reductive understanding of any artist's style. Of course, there are general tendencies in any artist's work over time, but we must be careful not to place too much emphasis on what we believe to be very clean-cuts periods in an artist's career. When we do that, we'll start hearing what we want to hear, and create "evidence" to support our own asumptions via selective labeling.There's no need for "selective labeling" or forcing ourselves to hear what we want to hear; it's simply evident.Are people calling the Bond films of Connery and Moore polar opposites in tone because they project their own structured view onto them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macrea Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 The only two truly prominent stylistic shifts I detect are 1969 (Goodbye, Mr. Chips and The Reivers) and 1987 (Witches and Empire of the Sun). Apart from those turning points there just seems to be a gradual artistic evolution with occasional overlaps and throwbacks, and even the two linchpins indicated above have both precursors and holdovers. But with just about any given score one would be able to place it as either pre-1969, 1969-87, or 1987-present. And still there are exceptions: Family Plot, for instance, features sections with a sound very similar to Witches, Home Alone, Hook, etc. It's all basically gradual but can generally be divided (for convenience more than anything else) into those three periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldsmithFanatic2000+ 0 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'm sure they'll re-release the scores as they are now...with "re-mastered" sound and screensaversK.M.That wouldn't surprise me. I already own multiple different versions of the first three scores on CD etc, so if that is the case I won't be buying these new ones. I think the current Star Wars 30th Anniversary Boxed Collector's Edition being released is utterly pointless, like the re-releases by Sony before that. It amazes me that whenever I come down to listening to Return of the Jedi, it's still my 1993 Fox Anthology Edition I choose. That's because the sound quality is vastly superior. I've always considered the 1997 RCA Special Edition to be that of a joke. The sound quality for most of its duration is horrible.I think JW has a specific sound that ended with Spacecamp in 1986.I love Williams' score to SpaceCamp. I've always considered it to be one of his most underrated. I also have a certain admiration towards the film itself. It's harmless, mindless entertainment. I loved it so much as a kid in fact I ended up talking my parents into actually letting me go to SpaceCamp in Arizona, which was a blast. One of my greatest memories in life as a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 SpaceCamp is The Patriot of the 1980's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Oh, no it's not. Their faults are very different. I'd rather JW do something different that I don't really like (except for the suite, which I do enjoy) than something that's main fault is the sameness of it (despite the theme, which I like, and the consolation that it was right for the film in general). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 Is anyone else wondering whether we're all just projecting our own structured view of Williams' work into all these "periods" in his career. I'm sure we can all pick and choose particular "styles" he employed in these periods, but to do this invites a reductive understanding of any artist's style. Of course, there are general tendencies in any artist's work over time, but we must be careful not to place too much emphasis on what we believe to be very clean-cuts periods in an artist's career. When we do that, we'll start hearing what we want to hear, and create "evidence" to support our own asumptions via selective labeling.There's no need for "selective labeling" or forcing ourselves to hear what we want to hear; it's simply evident.Are people calling the Bond films of Connery and Moore polar opposites in tone because they project their own structured view onto them?Evident to you, perhaps. But it doesn't help your argument when you consider the great amount of discrepancy over what Williams' different stylistic periods are. I'm critiquing the idea of making such clean-cut distinction to begin with. It's very reductive. Your remark about Bond reinscribes this manner of thinking, and actually supports my initial point. Very few like to recognize it, but how we communicate and think about something greatly determines what it is we're communicating and thinking about. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 The only two truly prominent stylistic shifts I detect are 1969 (Goodbye, Mr. Chips and The Reivers) and 1987 (Witches and Empire of the Sun). Apart from those turning points there just seems to be a gradual artistic evolution with occasional overlaps and throwbacks, and even the two linchpins indicated above have both precursors and holdovers. But with just about any given score one would be able to place it as either pre-1969, 1969-87, or 1987-present. And still there are exceptions: Family Plot, for instance, features sections with a sound very similar to Witches, Home Alone, Hook, etc. It's all basically gradual but can generally be divided (for convenience more than anything else) into those three periods.You'll find that with most composers, you can hear ideas that end up being developed further in later scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 But when Hans Zimmer does it, everbody goes crazy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Exactly! Hans always wants to further develop themes in his scores. In fact, my brother recently made a 15-minute collage of his development specifically with the "Batman Begins" theme. I think that originally started with Where Sleeping Dogs Lie and Black Rain, and has moved through the ages up to The Dark Knight.People here are biased against Hans Zimmer. I highly doubt most of you have heard a majority of his works. How can you criticize something you don't fully grasp? You hear his actions scores and go blah! But you never listen to his other styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 e.g. Lion King, The Holiday. . . .all very beautiful. As well as some parts of his action scores (e.g. the love theme from Pirates 3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 People here are biased against Hans Zimmer. I highly doubt most of you have heard a majority of his works. How can you criticize something you don't fully grasp? You hear his actions scores and go blah! But you never listen to his other styles.Absolutemente.Don't open the can again though, it's been discussed into the afterlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Absolutamente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Almost all of Zimmer's action stuff I'm not a fan ofHis quieter stuff I'm a fan of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Exactly! Hans always wants to further develop themes in his scores. In fact, my brother recently made a 15-minute collage of his development specifically with the "Batman Begins" theme. I think that originally started with Where Sleeping Dogs Lie and Black Rain, and has moved through the ages up to The Dark Knight.People here are biased against Hans Zimmer. I highly doubt most of you have heard a majority of his works. How can you criticize something you don't fully grasp? You hear his actions scores and go blah! But you never listen to his other styles.I heard Nine Months last week, I think it''s one of the most feel good scores I ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 People here are biased against Hans Zimmer. I highly doubt most of you have heard a majority of his works. How can you criticize something you don't fully grasp? You hear his actions scores and go blah! But you never listen to his other styles.Don't underestimate what this board has heard. You criticise the Zimmer criticism, but you're not aware that your above argument is much more cliché. Lately it has been striking me that typically, Zimmer defenders always make the same points, and don't realise that they're actually beside the point. In content: since they're already long incorporated into the main critiques. (In fact, in this case, Zimmer started out with these so-called other styles. It's what people know Zimmer of in the first place.) In form: this argument is little more than a (illogical) discursive technique that tries to stifle anti-Zimmer arguments through its off-hand form of 'film-musical correctedness', if you will. I urge you to look up some Zimmer criticism of the more 'professional' (eg FSM) film music criticism. Then we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 That is mostly gibberish. Very little Zimmer-bashing criticism is based on a complete view of Zimmer's works, here or on FSM (the magazine or the forum). The reason these arguments are made again and again is because most people criticizing Zimmer ignore an entire facet of his work. If you don't like anything of his, fine. But if you're saying that he sucks because of his synth use and action material, than you are rejecting him for only on facet of his work. There is very little intelligent Zimemr bashing going around. I am a Zimmer fan, and I rarely hear about the real problems with his scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I've heard Zimmer himself saying he is not proud of most of the stuff he has composed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I respectfully disagree, Morlock, but I don't want to derail this thread any further really, lest Marc gets upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Meh, I think this conversation has run it's course anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 If you don't like anything of his, fine. But if you're saying that he sucks because of his synth use and action material, than you are rejecting him for only on facet of his work. There is very little intelligent Zimemr bashing going around. I am a Zimmer fan, and I rarely hear about the real problems with his scores.Nicley said!I've heard Zimmer himself saying he is not proud of most of the stuff he has composed.He's just being modest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 No, he's realistic.That's why he considers Williams lightyears out of his league. He may not know much about music, but he knows enough to realise at least that.But it also shows that he has at least the mentality of a self- incenting artist. An artist is never fully satisfied with his most recent work. Your next work will always be your masterpiece until you die or quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 If a "new theme" for Hans Zimmer is the same slightly modified power anthem,then it's worse than the Horner danger motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I've heard Zimmer himself saying he is not proud of most of the stuff he has composed.I think very few real artists are proud of the stuff they do - I'm not saying Zimmer is a real artist (more like an adept craftsman) but I do think his opinion has very little value on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Every composer is humble about their work. John Williams doesn't go around bragging that he has the most Oscar nominations of any other nominee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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