JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 What exactly are John's 5 star scores in your opinion. Seriously think about it. What are the scores that are 5 stars. The ones you choose would be on par with the other 5 star scores on your list. Are there many, are there some that just fall short? And for some of you who think everything is great and everything is a masterpiece coughindy4cough, why not make a list of those that aren't since it would be the smaller of the two.expect hyperbole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Good thread, Joe. I think a lot of people vote from what the feel on the spot, rather than actually thinking about it. The Fury is not a 5 star score, most definitely not, especially when compared to scores like Superman and E.T.Although it does depend on how one rates the scores, in terms of how it works in the film or just its listenability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 Im not sure I could give some of the scores I give 5 stars when I compare them to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Meh...JawsStar WarsClose EncountersSupermanThe Empire Strikes BackRaiders of the Lost ArkMonsignorReturn of the JediIndiana Jones and the Temple of DoomSchindler's ListA.I. Artificial Intelligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 It's funny, I was actually thinking this not too long ago. It seems like no matter what the score is for these polls each one is being hailed as a five-star masterpiece by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 This will be easy.JawsStar WarsClose EncountersSupermanThe Empire Strikes BackRaidersE.T.Return of the JediTemple of DoomThe Last CrusadeJurassic ParkI considered The Phantom Menace, but it just isn't as good as any of the above and Schindler's list, whilst being excellent, didn't click with me as it did with others. I appreciate that score, but I don't exactly love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well, let me start but it's not easy to keep the list short Star WarsSupermanThe Empire strikes backRaider's of the lost Ark (But overall i enjoy Last crusade and TOD more than Raiders... )TODETIndiana Jones and the Last CrusadeJurassic ParkSchindlers ListStar Wars Episode 1: The Phantom MenaceHarry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban(I know that i didn't list Jaws but i don't know the Soundtrack except the Main theme and so i have no special connection to the movie /soundtrack ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I honestly can't answer this question. Even his best have some weak spots and odd choices at times. That's not to say that he doesn't have a true 5-star score, but I AM saying that I cannot pick out what they are.That being said, I think the strongest contenders would be Star Wars, Jaws, E.T., Raiders, Schindler's List, Close Encounters, and The Empire Strikes Back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 I honestly can't answer this question. Even his best have some weak spots and odd choices at times. That's not to say that he doesn't have a true 5-star score, but I AM saying that I cannot pick out what they are.That being said, I think the strongest contenders would be Star Wars, Jaws, E.T., Raiders, Schindler's List, Close Encounters, and The Empire Strikes Back.such wishy washyness cannot be tolerated, prepare to be euthanised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 For me the only definite five-star scores are: Jaws, Star Wars, Close Encounters, Superman, and Empire Strikes Back. There are a few other arguable fringe cases, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I honestly can't answer this question. Even his best have some weak spots and odd choices at times. That's not to say that he doesn't have a true 5-star score, but I AM saying that I cannot pick out what they are.That being said, I think the strongest contenders would be Star Wars, Jaws, E.T., Raiders, Schindler's List, Close Encounters, and The Empire Strikes Back.such wishy washyness cannot be tolerated, prepare to be euthanised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 to answer my own questionJaws, Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Superman, Raiders of the Lost Ark, E.T. the Extraterrestrial, I can't in all good conscience put JP, SL, or even LW as a true 5 compared to these, they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 My personal favorites:Superman: The MovieE.T. The Extra-TerrestrialSchindler's ListMunichEmpire Of The SunA.I. Artificial IntelligenceCinderella LibertyHarry Potter And The Prisoner Of AzkabanSaving Private Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Are we talking about scores as represented on album, scores as they work in the movie or separate cues?As represented on album:1) Sabrina2) Jurassic Park3) Hook4) Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone5) Schindler's List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Jaws, Star Wars, CE3K, Raiders, E.T., Superman, TESB.Possibly Schindler's list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 By no means an incomplete list, but these are some that I have no qualms about putting on the list right away. In no particular order:* All six Star Wars scores...yes, you heard me correctly. AOTC only makes it because of a slight rounding error, though.* Raiders of the Lost Ark* Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom* Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone* Jurassic ParkPOA and TLC are so close, but I just can't quite put them on the list. Maybe I would on another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Are we talking about scores as represented on album, scores as they work in the movie or separate cues?Arrrrrgh! Just answer the question man!Scores. We are talking scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 Are we talking about scores as represented on album, scores as they work in the movie or separate cues?As represented on album:1) Sabrina2) Jurassic Park3) Hook4) Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone5) Schindler's Listsince the question is SCORES, and common sense would dictate that we are dealing with scores released on soundtracks.There was no mention of cues.So Datamaister you're saying that AOTC is as good as Raiders??? If you rounded then it should be in the falls short of, of course IMHO its a 1 star being most generous that I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 since the question is SCORES, and common sense would dictate that we are dealing with scores released on soundtracks.There was no mention of cues.A film score is a collection of cues written for use in a film. Common sense would dictate that we are dealing with the lump sum of music written for a given film by John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 since the question is SCORES, and common sense would dictate that we are dealing with scores released on soundtracks.There was no mention of cues.A film score is a collection of cues written for use in a film. Common sense would dictate that we are dealing with the lump sum of music written for a given film by John Williams.mmmm, NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 The score to AotC is at least better than the movie. It has its highlights, but it ain't no classic.As usual, I find myself strongly disagreeing with the musicians of the board, who evidentially judge the merits of a score on a technical level. A handicap I am gladly not laden with, though I do envy their inside insight, at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 mmmm, NO.You're nothing if not persuasive.as usual, I find myself strongly disagreeing with the musicians of the board, who evidentially judge the merits of a score on a technical level. A burden I am gladly not laden with.I don't know if I was intentionally lumped into that statement, but as a musician, I can say that I do not judge a score wholly on its technical merits - most of which are subjective and influenced by one's instinctive opinion of a score, anyway. They factor in, certainly, but what ultimately matters the most is whether or not I instinctively have a good time when listening to it. I cannot speak for the other musicians on the board, but that's how I personally approach music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Are we talking about scores as represented on album, scores as they work in the movie or separate cues?As represented on album:1) Sabrina2) Jurassic Park3) Hook4) Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone5) Schindler's Listsince the question is SCORES, and common sense would dictate that we are dealing with scores released on soundtracks.There was no mention of cues.A score could be depending on one great track (e.g. Saving Private Ryan).On the other side, I love the Empire Strikes Back music but not as it is on album. I hate the dry sound quality. The BPO re-recordings though I think are great, but they may not be considered here, apparantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 A score could be depending on one great track (e.g. Saving Private Ryan).Which makes SPR the exact opposite of a 5 star masterpiece..Datameister: I appreciate what you're saying and I find it refreshing, on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 A score could be depending on one great track (e.g. Saving Private Ryan).Which makes SPR the exact opposite of a 5 star masterpiece..Ok, that's clear then. But my other point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Whatever I pick now, it'll have changed by next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Scores I can definitively give five stars (one of the requirements is that I have seen the movie):JawsStar WarsClose Encounters of the Third KindSupermanStar Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes BackRaiders of the Lost ArkE.T. The Extra-TerrestrialIndiana Jones and the Temple of DoomStar Wars: Episode I - The Phantom MenaceHarry Potter and the Prisoner of AzkabanHm, this Williams guy is pretty good.I might drop a few were I allowed to give 4.5 stars though. Superman, Empire and E.T. might not make the list in that case. Same for Azkaban, possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 JawsStar WarsClose Encounters of the Trird KindSupermanThe FuryThe Empire Strikes BackRaiders of the Lost ArkE.T.Return of the JediEmpire of the SunSchindler's ListThe Phantom MenaceA.I. Artificial IntelligenceHP & Prisoner Of AzkabanMemoirs of the Geisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 What I would give five stars:E.T.JawsHookIndiana Jones and the Last Crusade (or any of the three)Close Encounters of the Third KindThe Empire Strikes Back (or any of the three, maybe TPM)Harry Potter and the Prisoner of AzkabanArtificial IntelligenceProbably Superman, although I am less enthusiastic about it. Angela's AshesThere are several like Schindler's List and Empire of the Sun that I'm not 100% on, even though they are outstanding works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I honestly can't answer this question. Even his best have some weak spots and odd choices at times. That's not to say that he doesn't have a true 5-star score, but I AM saying that I cannot pick out what they are.That being said, I think the strongest contenders would be Star Wars, Jaws, E.T., Raiders, Schindler's List, Close Encounters, and The Empire Strikes Back.such wishy washyness cannot be tolerated, prepare to be euthanised.Anybody need my services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Star WarsThe Empire Strikes BackJawsRaiders of the Lost ArkSuperman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 I honestly can't answer this question. Even his best have some weak spots and odd choices at times. That's not to say that he doesn't have a true 5-star score, but I AM saying that I cannot pick out what they are.That being said, I think the strongest contenders would be Star Wars, Jaws, E.T., Raiders, Schindler's List, Close Encounters, and The Empire Strikes Back.such wishy washyness cannot be tolerated, prepare to be euthanised.Anybody need my services? do you have experience? If so when, where, and most interestingly HOW?I've always suspected Luke might be one of an estimated dozen serial killers in Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 every Star Wars scoreE.T.the 3 original Indy scoresJurassic ParkJawsSchindler's ListHome AloneMemoirsA.I.every Harry Potter scoreThat's it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I honestly can't answer this question. Even his best have some weak spots and odd choices at times. That's not to say that he doesn't have a true 5-star score, but I AM saying that I cannot pick out what they are.That being said, I think the strongest contenders would be Star Wars, Jaws, E.T., Raiders, Schindler's List, Close Encounters, and The Empire Strikes Back.such wishy washyness cannot be tolerated, prepare to be euthanised.Anybody need my services? Jane EyreJawsStar WarsClose Encounters of the Third KindSupermanThe Empire Strikes BackRaiders of the Lost ArkE.T.Return of the JediIndiana Jones and the Temple of DoomIndiana Jones and the Last CrusadeHookJurassic ParkSchindler's ListThe Phantom MenaceA.I.Memoirs of a Geisha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I guess it'd be....JawsStar WarsThe Empire Strikes BackRaiders of the Lost ArkE.T. the Extra TerrestrialIndiana Jones and the Temple of DoomHome AloneHookHarry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The Empire Strikes BackStar WarsTemple of DoomCEot3KSupermanIf the room was on fire, and they said, "You got time to only save 5 cds," these would be the ones I'd grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Raiders of the Lost ArkLast CrusadeEmpire Strikes BackE.T.HookSorcerer's StonePrisoner of Azkabanindy4 - who'd like to point out that he has less scores that most people in this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Jane EyreClose EncountersEmpire Strikes BackE.TReturn of the JediEmpire of the SunIndiana Jones and the Last CrusadeHookSchindler's ListJurassic ParkSabrinaSleepersSeven Years in TibetAmistadSaving Private RyanThe Phantom MenaceAngela's AshesA.IMinority ReportPrisoner of AzkabanRevenge of the SithWar of the WorldsMemoirs of a GeishaMunichKIngdom of the Crystal Skull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Good list, Merkel. A little long, but we seem to have the same taste in Williams. MUNICH FOR LIFE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 So John Williams has written 25 five-star scores? I think everyone here is missing Joey's point and diluting the list of 5-star scores with a bunch of 4's, 3's, 2's, and all the decimals in between.If the man has written that many masterpieces, that many five-star scores, then those titles lose their meaning and become nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Well, in my opinion, he really did write 25 five star scores. And I had the urge to inclue 4 or 5 more scores. The quality of his output, specially recently, is incredibly consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 So John Williams has written 25 five-star scores? I think everyone here is missing Joey's point and diluting the list of 5-star scores with a bunch of 4's, 3's, 2's, and all the decimals in between.If the man has written that many masterpieces, that many five-star scores, then those titles lose their meaning and become nothing special.No, they're all special and you're missing the point of it of his music, I mean.My list is actually quite a bit longer than Romao's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Merkel you might as well have listed the ones you don't consider 5 star, I'm sorry but all those scores are not equal to each other, and it really is an insult to his truly great scores to lump so many avg. ones in with the great ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The weird thing about Merkel's list is not really that is long (I'm sure a lot o people here love all of Williams's scores) but that it's missing some of what many would consider the best (SW, Jaws, Superman, Raiders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 EmpirePoAGeishaAIHeartbeeps(Yes ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 The weird thing about Merkel's list is not really that is long (I'm sure a lot o people here love all of Williams's scores) but that it's missing some of what many would consider the best (SW, Jaws, Superman, Raiders).they are too Americana for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 What exactly are John's 5 star scores in your opinion.Merkel you might as well have listed the ones you don't consider 5 star, I'm sorry but all those scores are not equal to each other, and it really is an insult to his truly great scores to lump so many avg. ones in with the great ones The weird thing about Merkel's list is not really that is long (I'm sure a lot o people here love all of Williams's scores) but that it's missing some of what many would consider the best (SW, Jaws, Superman, Raiders).they are too Americana for himOf course, it's an anti-American issue! After all, nothing says "Americana" like Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondo 33 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I consider E.T. and Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom to be true, 5-star scores. There are a great number of 4.5-star runners up though, including SW: A New Hope and Raiders of the Lost Ark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 For me...The Patriot...Bleh, this guy never wrote anything all that special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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