Marian Schedenig 8,194 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bespin said: So it's a UFO UFO? 2 minutes ago, Bespin said: I'm curious to hear that, but that's a totally technological thing. So is traditional mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 5 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: UFO? So is traditional mixing. When you remix post-1966/67 recordings, usually the bass has it own track, the drum has it own track, the guitars has their owns tracks, all the voices has their own tracks... you can remix them. In the case of Revolver, it was not recorded like this. The 6 first Roy Orbison albums on MGM (1965-1967) were recorded like that too, on 3-tracks tapes for the first ones, then on 4-tracks tapes... so when they "remastered" them in 2015 for the big MGM boxset (covering the 1965-1973 period), they were limited a bit... in comparison with the later MGM albums which were recorded on multitrack tapes (which allowed a recording with 8 tracks first, then with 16 tracks). Now this brand new technology opens the possiblity of "remixing" these 3 or 4-tracks analog recordings like we were never able to do it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 In this case it was an enormous help that they already trained the AI with 60 hours of audio to be able to even separate the 4 voices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,194 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, Bespin said: Now this brand new technology opens the possiblity of "remixing" these 4-tracks analog recordings like we were never able to do it before. Yes, of course. It's more advanced technology, but that doesn't mean that back in the day, mixing the few tracks they had was not also a technological feat. It was still a big step from capturing everything live on one single track to the basic mixing they had then. Perhaps I misunderstood your post, but to me it sounded like you classified the new stuff as kind of "unnatural" compared to the original technology they had available back then. (And I still don't understand what UFO means in this context) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Yes, of course. It's more advanced technology, but that doesn't mean that back in the day, mixing the few tracks they had was not also a technological feat. It was still a big step from capturing everything live on one single track to the basic mixing they had then. Perhaps I misunderstood your post, but to me it sounded like you classified the new stuff as kind of "unnatural" compared to the original technology they had available back then. (And I still don't understand what UFO means in this context) Indeed it's "unnatural" to isolate each element of an already mixed track using an AI. This techonology is so new it does'nt have a name yet. This is why I called it a "UFO". I think Revolver 2022 is the first album EVER to be "created" using that technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,194 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bespin said: Indeed it's "unnatural" to isolate each element of an already mixed track using an AI. But in the same way, you could consider recording everything on separate tracks and then putting it together unnatural. Or recording it and playing it back in the first place. It's all just a matter of being used to it. 14 minutes ago, Bespin said: This techonology is so new it does'nt have a name yet. This is why I called it a "UFO". It's a horribly mis-used term. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Under some horribly pretentiously tasteless looking guy's youtube video I already saw comments like "wait this technology can only be used for digital music, not analogue music, right?" Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 It remains that, for me, all the Beatles albums from the first one to at least Revolver (1966) were meant to be in MONO, and they sound best in MONO. I'm not really into rewriting of history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Sure they were meant to be, because that was the standard at the time. That doesn't mean it can't sound better now. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bespin said: It remains that, for me, all the Beatles albums from the first one to Revolver (1966) were meant to be in MONO, and they sound best in MONO. I'm not really into rewriting of history! No, through the White Album! I prefer them in mono, but I begrudge nobody preferring the new stereo mixes. I greatly begrudge anyone preferring the old stereo mixes though Marian Schedenig and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 I'm currently listening to the new Revolver remix (on Spotify, I know, it's mp3@320), but that's great, it sounds like it always (probably) should have in stereo. Another great production of Gimmick International! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: No, through the White Album! I prefer them in mono, but I begrudge nobody preferring the new stereo mixes. I greatly begrudge anyone preferring the old stereo mixes though It's a crime against humanity that out of the 2009 remasters the crappy stereo ones completely unsuited for modern listening are the default ones or the only ones avaliable for streaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Holko said: It's a crime against humanity that out of the 2009 remasters the crappy stereo ones completely unsuited for modern listening are the default ones or the only ones avaliable for streaming. You need the MONO boxset they released in 2009. That's the only one you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Yeah, tell that to new people trying to discover them and shutting Taxman off 2 seconds in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,194 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bespin said: You need the MONO boxset they released. That's the only one you need. That's the one I have. Though I still find it odd that while it does include the stereo mixes of those albums that were released in mono and ("unauthorised") stereo, it doesn't include those albums that only had stereo versions at all. I mean, what's the reasoning, given that it's clear not "we're excluding everything that's not mono"? Why is there no proper complete set of the albums in their respective correct versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Holko said: Yeah, tell that to new people trying to discover them and shutting Taxman off 2 seconds in. Plenty of old analogue recordings exists only in MONO, that's not a disease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Just now, Bespin said: Plenty of old analogue recordings exists only in MONO, that's not a disease! Are you not understanding what I was saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Yes, I understand, the "stereo" version they put on streaming platforms on 2009 are unlistenable using heapdhones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Original mono, stereo, 2009 remaster, or 2022 mix? Actually, who cares, it's fucking REVOLVER, the greatest rock album ever made. 2022 Remaster. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: No, through the White Album! You are probably right, but I'm not a fan of the "White Album". I just learned that a few songs from the "White Album" (1968) were recorded on 8 tracks machines. All of "Abbey Road" (1969) was recorded on 8 tracks. It's so fascinating how the evolution of multitrack recordings had an impact on pop music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 MARY SHELLY'S FRANKENSTEIN My favourite Doyle, bar none. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 07/10/2022 at 3:13 PM, Jay said: Ordered direct from Varese These 3 finally arrived yesterday Bespin and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 THE LION IN WINTER is an all-time classic, and this rerecording is not bad. THE LOST BOYS speaks for itself. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,131 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I’ve not listened to Lion in Winter. Is the original recording poor or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy said: I’ve not listened to Lion in Winter. Is the original recording poor or something? No it's good, really good in fact, and God knows I'm not a fan of 60s film music recordings... but the re-recording appears to be a must too (anyway it's recommended by James Southall and it appears we very often shares the same tastes) and it contains a suite from Mary, Queen of Scots. Tom Guernsey and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Darn it!! I ordered the Star Wars sequel trilogy osts from amazon.co.uk. Rise of the Skywalker hasn't arrived yet, but concerning the other 2, The Force Awakens is in a jewel case and The Last Jedi is the digipack. I ordered specifically from the UK amazon to get the jewel cases!! And now I see the item is non-returnable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Darn it!! I ordered the Star Wars sequel trilogy osts from amazon.co.uk. Rise of the Skywalker hasn't arrived yet, but concerning the other 2, The Force Awakens is in a jewel case and The Last Jedi is the digipack. I ordered specifically from the UK amazon to get the jewel cases!! And now I see the item is non-returnable. There are two versions of The Last Jedi listed. Are you sure you picked the right one? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, crocodile said: There are two versions of The Last Jedi listed. Are you sure you picked the right one? Karol I picked this, from seller mrtopseller. Both came from the same seller. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0758KSWZK I thought all cds from amazon.co.uk concerning these 3 scores, are in jewel cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 It's the wrong one. This is the one you want: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B077SR3KC6 Karol filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, crocodile said: It's the wrong one. This is the one you want: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B077SR3KC6 Karol Yeah, I just saw it. But The Force Awakens didn't say speciifically it's in a jewel case and it was. By the way, I bought this too: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B082BXFMGH by seller champion toys. I don't know what version it will be. I don't see any "jewel case" version specifically written in another item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, filmmusic said: Yeah, I just saw it. But The Force Awakens didn't say speciifically it's in a jewel case and it was. By the way, I bought this too: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B082BXFMGH by seller champion toys. I don't know what version it will be. I don't see any "jewel case" version specifically written in another item. Only The Last Jedi had two releases. The regular one was digipak. The jewel case appears to be an Amazon UK exclusive. That is why they list two different options. The other two were only released in jewel cases. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, crocodile said: Only The Last Jedi had two releases. The regular one was digipak. The jewel case appears to be an Amazon UK exclusive. That is why they list two different options. The other two were only released in jewel cases. Karol In Germany The Force Awakens was available as digipak, too. So, it was quite annoying, that only episode 9 came as a jewel case after having the two digipaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 The releases everyone should care here about the sequel trilogy, are the FYC, which, especially for TLJ and ROTS are much interesting than the OSTs, in my sense. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 51 minutes ago, crocodile said: Only The Last Jedi had two releases. The regular one was digipak. The jewel case appears to be an Amazon UK exclusive. That is why they list two different options. The other two were only released in jewel cases. Karol I thought if you buy from US amazon, all 3 are digipacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Yes on Amazon USA all 3 sequel OSTs are digipaks I had to import jewel case versions from Amazon UK filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: I thought if you buy from US amazon, all 3 are digipacks. It is all bit confusing indeed. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 8,017 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 High-res download from Qobuz. Might get a CD as well as I really enjoy this album - it seems like a cross between the previous one but with a touch of his Lord of the Rings as well here and there. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 pre-ordered two physical CD OSTs from Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Directly from their website. Film Fest Gent: Alan Silvestri, Gabriel Yared, Mark Isham. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 On 09/11/2022 at 5:03 PM, crocodile said: It is all bit confusing indeed. Karol Discogs lists the different packaging for the various territories. I too ended up with VII and IX in jewel cases and VIII in a digipak. I also picked up the Target Digipak for VII with the character art in the logo. Now my completionist urges have kicked in and I will have to get the other packaging variants. My OCD is also in overdrive about my Hobbit SEs, I waited too long to get BotFA and had to settle for the inferior EU digipak, my other two are the US variants which look quite different. Which reminds me, I still need to pick up the regular jewel case and super jewel case variants of KotCS. Question: Which territory had the jewel case version of HtTYD2? Mine arrived in a dreadful cardboard sleeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Wait I don't remember reading about the EU editions of the Hobbit SEes being different than here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jay said: Wait I don't remember reading about the EU editions of the Hobbit SEes being different than here.... They were released in much cheaper cardboard packaging over here. You got the better ones. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 D'oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 The differences are akin to the UK/EU vs US versions of the LOTR: EE DVD sets. The UK/EU have flimsy cardboard slipcases with no texturing/embossing but with gold foil type logos, whereas the US sets are sturdier and textured but without the gold foil logos. I seem to recall that the EU Hobbits also were missing something from the inside of the digipak but can't remember exactly what. If I ever get around to digging out my Hobbit SEs I'll post some photos of the differences. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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