Faleel 5,360 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'm starting to hear another motif besides the Main Theme and the love theme in The Shadow. The Ghost and the Darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Incanus said: The Wind and the Lion is just a fantastic combination of ethnic and epic from good old Jerrald. I especially love how he alludes to the native music of the North African locale and translates it into an orchestral setting. 'The Letter' is a rather quiet cue but it's the culmination of intelligent storytelling in music: it accompanies a montage of Raisuli/Roosevelt during the reading of a letter of the former and weds the two themes for both, cleverly both based on the same open fifth (the american one in major, the occidental one in minor), making them two sides of the same coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 To loosely quote LeBlanc: "Wow! Well said!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Sea Hawk (Korngold) King's Row (Korngold) Seems to me like, while his earlier soundtracks were great, KING'S ROW was around the time when Korngold went "Super Saiyan". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Abzû by Austin Wintory: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Godzilla - Desplat Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Minority Report by John Williams: Simply excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 It's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 It's very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 When I am in the mood the dark sense of mystery of Minority Report is simply irresistible. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 A less known fantasy work by James Newton Howard that is semantically and idiomatically not too far removed from 'War Horse' (scottish, oirish, british, it's all the same anyway, eh?). It doesn't rise above solid eclecticism but has some truly enchanting thematic strains and at least occasionally uses the Chieftains to good effect. The Main Title frames the fairy tale-like setting in the scottish highlands with a delicate folk song ballad and the score is all the better when JNH builds on this - unfortunately, the rest is a bit over the place, ranging from generic mickey mousing to numbingly loud action music right out of 'Waterworld' & Co. The piece de resistance is the sustained 7-minute fantasy/adventure cue 'Swimming', which reminds me of Goldsmith's 'Hollow Man' dvd commentary, basically saying that a composer nowadays should be satisfied when there are one or two musical sequences per score worth the expendable rest. There is also a wondrous 'E. T.' moment in 'The Net' and a beautiful finale cue. The Chieftain-suite rounding out the disc is a nice bonus. This is the selection i'd recommend: Main Title 3:08 You Didn't Even Get Wet 2:59 The Workshop 2:38 Driving to the Loch 2:03 Run Angus 1:22 The Fisherman 1:39 Angus in Training 2:54 Swimming 6:35 There's No Monster 2:01 The Net 4:22 The Jump - End of the Story 4:41 Suite 8:08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah, it does have some really good moments. But, for whatever reason, the album is less than spectacular. Which I find to be a problem with most JNH scores actually. Kong: Skull Island. I don't think it was necessarily great but it has some really neat moments. This theme is quite nice. As I understand it from watching the film, this actually Kong's theme. As far as monster themes in modern movies are concerned, this one is pretty strong. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Is it really less known, though, in terms of Howard's work? I thought it was one of his more known and loved scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Movie's a non-entry and i doubt many here have heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I recall many loving the score when it came out. It was during Howard's peak era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I believe its a very well regarded score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I don't see him mentioned that much, neither then nor now. Only when he's on really visible movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Excellent music for studying. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Return to Oz Star Trek: First Contact Psycho Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Jurassic Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Raiders of the Lost Ark (Williams) - Haven't listened to much else since seeing the concert last weekend. If you want to know how to write an action score, study this until it's emblazoned on your brain. Behind Enemy Lines (Davis) - Not so much, at least the action parts. It's a schizophrenic mess of a score that has both some of the best cues of Davis' career, only to be immediately interrupted by electronic noise that would make even Holkenborg cringe. "Ustao" is breath-taking, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 7 hours ago, BloodBoal said: There's probably an excellent 40 minutes program that can be created out of it. As it is, though, it doesn't make for the smoothest listening experience. Great love theme, though. Das Boot - 10 BH (before Hans) It's not really an album to listen through but still giving then-current american film music a run for its money (in regards to new-ish pop stylings and how to apply them). The theme is still a killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 12 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Dances With Wolves - John Barry (1990) This score has some lovely moments, there's no denying, but in complete form it just feels overlong. The main reason for that is the lack of variety in it: most of it sounds a bit samey. Add to that a lot of one-minute-long cues that feel inconsequential, action music that isn't particularly exciting (Pawnee are Coming/Rifles/Pawnee/Pawnee Attack/Stone Calf Dies/Toughest Pawnee Dies is frankly a chore to listen to) and themes the composer doesn't do an awful lot with (the various statements are not really different from one another), and you're left with a score that is a tad disappointing, given the big epic tale Barry was given the opportunity to work on. Still, it's not all bad of course: as a whole it is a solid work, the music fits the movie well, the main theme and love theme are rather nice, and the score occasionally soars (Charge, The Buffalo Hunt - Smiles A Lot Is Saved, Timmons Leaves, The Loss Of The Journal And The Return To Winter Camp, Farewell And End Title...), but it's definitely the kind that is more digestible in abridged form. There's probably an excellent 40 minutes program that can be created out of it. As it is, though, it doesn't make for the smoothest listening experience. 6/10 I find the original 53-minute album to be too much already. It is good music, has great themes. It probably deserves all the praise it gets. But I could never listen to it for some reason. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 The expanded album following the OST is the one I go to for this score. And usually pick a programme containing the highlights and not the whole 75 minute album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 The Wrath Of Khan One of those "evergreen" scores that's still exciting even after literally decades of listening to it. Amazing how many long lined thematic ideas run through it. Not only a great Trek score, but a great Horner score. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, crocodile said: It is good music, has great themes. It probably deserves all the praise it gets. But I could never listen to it for some reason. Yep. I can totally understand why some people love it, but it doesn't do an awful lot for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 14 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Dances With Wolves - John Barry (1990) This score has some lovely moments, there's no denying, but in complete form it just feels overlong. The main reason for that is the lack of variety in it: most of it sounds a bit samey. Add to that a lot of one-minute-long cues that feel inconsequential, action music that isn't particularly exciting (Pawnee are Coming/Rifles/Pawnee/Pawnee Attack/Stone Calf Dies/Toughest Pawnee Dies is frankly a chore to listen to) and themes the composer doesn't do an awful lot with (the various statements are not really different from one another), and you're left with a score that is a tad disappointing, given the big epic tale Barry was given the opportunity to work on. Still, it's not all bad of course: as a whole it is a solid work, the music fits the movie well, the main theme and love theme are rather nice, and the score occasionally soars (Charge, The Buffalo Hunt - Smiles A Lot Is Saved, Timmons Leaves, The Loss Of The Journal And The Return To Winter Camp, Farewell And End Title...), but it's definitely the kind that is more digestible in abridged form. There's probably an excellent 40 minutes program that can be created out of it. As it is, though, it doesn't make for the smoothest listening experience. 6/10 Why would you start with the complete version instead of starting with the OST? No wonder you found it overlong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Even the OST has always sounded overlong to me. I struggle with post 1970's Barry drama scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 John Williams - The prisoner of JWfankaban John Williams - The Terminal John Williams - War of the Worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: Yep. I can totally understand why some people love it, but it doesn't do an awful lot for me. Ditto. I respect it, but not as much in love with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,641 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I agree with the others, Dances with Wolves doesn't do much for me. I'm not a fan of Barry's sweeping drama sound in general. Fateless First Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Come on, Buffalo Hunt is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Epic Barry is great in small dosis. But put some 60's 007 trombones in there, or those groovy 70's synths! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 9 hours ago, crocodile said: I find the original 53-minute album to be too much already. It is good music, has great themes. It probably deserves all the praise it gets. But I could never listen to it for some reason. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 My favorite part from Dances with Wolves has always been the wonderfull Two Socks theme I've always found it very moving Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Batman Returns (OST and complete score) The Lost World: Jurassic Park Titanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Romão said: My favorite part from Dances with Wolves has always been the wonderfull Two Socks theme It is one of those 'unnatural' Barry melodies that took me some time to appreciate (whereas the John Dunbar Theme is the kind of dim-witted Ten Tenors tunes that starts to sound embarrasing after a while). Still, the love theme that is a muted presence in the score is hands down one of the best Barry themes of its ilk and together with the Two Socks and the wide heroic indian theme the only really bearable stuff from this overrated simpleton of a score. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Speaking of Dances With Wolves. Wolf Totem. The opening seconds featuring low ominous chords and high pitch ethnic wailing might make some expect the worst, but once the theme sets in all if fine. Essentially Horner in epic Barry made, and that's a good thing! The usual ethnic flavoring is kept to a minimum and supports the music rather than defines it. This may be a chinese film directed by a French guy, but it good old-fashioned Hollywood epic scoring. The final cue especially is a stand out. The kind where Horner closes the film with sweeping broad strokes on a large canvas and slowly winds everything down. (no film composer does this quite like Horner, who will comfortably take 3,5 minutes for an ending coda while everyone else does it in 45 seconds) Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 17 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: Come on, Buffalo Hunt is great! Which version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Aren't both great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Yeah, but I think I prefer the film version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 58 minutes ago, Stefancos said: (no film composer does this quite like Horner, who will comfortably take 3,5 minutes for an ending coda while everyone else does it in 45 seconds) 3 Seconds: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 With Horner that would have been a 7 minute and 47 second track finising of a 79 minute long CD. Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 John Williams - Amistad All the recent talk about "Dry Your Tears, Afrika" has made me want to revisit the score, haven't listened to it in some years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,641 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Dr. Strange Bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Richard said: Yeah, but I think I prefer the film version. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Harry Potter and the _________'s Stone Twilight Zone: The Movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Life (Ekstrand) - Oh goddamnit, why? Why do people responsible still put film dialogue on soundtrack albums? Stop doing that! Otherwise, not a bad score, even if it owes a lot to its predecessors, but not one that left much of an impression, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Saving Private Ryan The Lion King The Wind and the Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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