Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted May 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2019 It's hilarious that Ford doesn't know the difference between Chris Pratt or Chris Pine (he says Pine in the interview, despite Pratt being the golden child expected to inherit the role), nor does he care. Classic Harrison. And let's be honest, he's right. No one will ever match his interpretation of the character in films 1-3. Yeah, we can debate the merits of KOCS till the cows come home but he nailed that role in the original trilogy and, hopefully, Spielberg will learn from his mistakes after 4. He treated that entire production as an excuse to work with his friends again; maybe its sour reception will convince him to pull his finger out for 5. But FFS, just hurry up and shoot the damn film before Williams hands it off to Powell. Chen G., Bayesian and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: hopefully, Spielberg will learn from his mistakes after 4. I hate to come off negative, but there's nothing to be hopeful towards. The concept of an Indiana Jones film of any kind, set after The Last Crusade, is inherently flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I disgaree. You could apply the same rationale to attempting a sequel after Raiders. So long as the characters are well drawn, the locations are sufficiently exotic, and the stakes are high enough, you could make endless Raiders movies. The only reason we're in the situation we're in is because Spielberg stopped making them after TLC and built up an inordinate amount of expectation. If they'd just made a 4th Indy in the mid-90s (between SL and TLW), nobody would care about the film's shortcomings. They'd just say, "well, that wasn't great, hopefully the next will be better," and forget about it for a few years. Just like TOD didn't kill the series, despite the amount of disappointment people probably had back in the 80s when they saw it (and it's been correctly re-evaluated since, anyway). It seems they're correcting some mistakes by basing production in London. A stone's throw from legitimate overseas locations in Africa or Europe, which the soundstage and backlot dominated KOCS was begging for. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Nope. The Last Crusade isn't a culmination, but it is very clearly an end. Riding off into the sunset is the most final trope in all of cinema (especially for films so trope-heavy as Indiana Jones), and it was pitch perfect for The Last Crusade. There should never have been an Indiana Jones 4 and there shouldn't be a 5. Naïve Old Fart and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Plus it was the "Last". Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 It's an end to one film - The Last Crusade. Just as Temple of Doom ends its own narrative, and Raiders ends its. The films are all self-contained adventures. While TLC would be a fitting closure to any trilogy of films, that doesn't change the fact that said trilogy is just 3 disconnected films that don't rely on any other film in the trilogy to exist. They stand alone. The only reason Spielberg stopped was because he was probably sick of making them, and he clearly changed as a filmmaker 4 years later when he did Schindler's List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 The bumbling nazis should come back. Dr Jones has to stop a secret cloning genetics program taking place in Brazil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, crumbs said: It's an end to one film - The Last Crusade. Just as Temple of Doom ends its own narrative, and Raiders ends its. The films are all self-contained adventures. While TLC would be a fitting closure to any trilogy of films, that doesn't change the fact that said trilogy is just 3 disconnected films Like I said, its not a culmination, because the films are episodic, yes. But The Last Crusade was still very clearly intended as the last say on Indiana Jones. Its not just the sunset (which Spielberg had explicitly intended to serve as a curtain-closer on the series), its also the fact that the film opens with Indy's youth (i.e. going back to the very beginning); the casting of Sir Sean as his father as a meta perspective on the series as a whole; the similarities to Raiders that form a book-end to the trilogy: everything is pointing towards it being the concluding film and, as a concluding film, it was perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, The Original said: The bumbling nazis should come back. Dr Jones has to stop a secret cloning genetics program taking place in Brazil... Not sure about the chances of that ... wasn't part of Spielberg's motivation for doing Schindler's List that he thought he'd portrayed them too 'lightly' in the Indy flicks, Last Crusade in particular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Yeah. Especially as a Jewish person, the scene in Berlin is borderline uncomfortable to watch. But they're soon done with, so no biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, The Original said: The bumbling nazis should come back. Dr Jones has to stop a secret cloning genetics program taking place in Brazil... ...and they could call the film Attack of the Clones. Unlucky Bastard and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 . Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, Chen G. said: But The Last Crusade was still very clearly intended as the last say on Indiana Jones. Incorrect, at no point was this ever intended to be the last Indiana Jones film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Quote There's a reason that I invented the shot of Harrison riding a horse into the sunset. Because I thought that brought the curtain down on the trilogy, and then we were all gonna move on... - Steven Spielberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 That's just bullshit, it's not even a trilogy. It's 3 movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: Yeah. Especially as a Jewish person, the scene in Berlin is borderline uncomfortable to watch. But they're soon done with, so no biggie. The nazis are portrayed as greedy and stupid. It's also a film with a strong comedic element - it's not a documentary. I'd say the nazis don't come well out of this film at all. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fabulin said: It's an end to 2000 years of Holy Grail stories. How can they top that? An old man's dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 If anything Spielberg is sticking it to the nazis', same as in Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Stefancos said: it's not even a trilogy. It's 3 movies. I know. I've already said it twice in this thread alone, and I'll say it again: Its episodic, not cyclical. But that doesn't make it inherently endless. Whether it was intended or not, The Last Crusade was and is a great place to end. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 In they had made a fourth Indy film in 1992 we would not be having this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Indy's tougher than Batman. He actually has the balls to murder people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It's 3 movies. Correct. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 ...and only three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Four, Anne. Four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Chen G. said: ...and only three. Correct. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 hours ago, crumbs said: But FFS, just hurry up and shoot the damn film before Williams hands it off to Powell. If I was sure Powell would score every film Williams can't/won't , I'd sign up now ! _________ As for who to replace Ford… Matthew Goode ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, toothless said: If I was sure Powell would score every film Williams can't/won't , I'd sign up now ! I'd resign. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 They’ll recast Indiana Jones if there’s money to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Chen G. said: There should never have been an Indiana Jones 4 and there shouldn't be a 5. I don't think it should mean that there can't be more films, but I do think the chances of it being a good film are lessened. I don't doubt there was artistry, camaraderie and goodwill when making KotCS but clearly it wasn't a film from the heart. It felt like a last hurrah before everyone retired - hell, hadn't Williams 'retired' at that point? Going forward they need to frame 5 as a good close to the whole series, put Indy to bed, have him hang up the whip after one last adventure. Have Adam Driver portray his son and ki- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Arpy said: I don't doubt there was artistry, camaraderie and goodwill when making KotCS I don't doubt that either. Its not that bad a film, on its own merit. But the very concept of a fourth and fifth Indiana Jones films is obscene. At this point its just more for the sake of more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Arpy said: hell, hadn't Williams 'retired' at that point? Williams hadn't retired. Spielberg and Lucas just hadn't been doing any films. Just now, Chen G. said: But the concept of a fourth Indiana Jones films is obscene. Only in the sides of your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Technically, it didn't matter which Chris Harrison Ford was referring to. The Chris's are all interchangeable. Here is proof: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Ryan Reynolds is an honorary Chris. Hemsworth would probably come closest to being able to play Indiana Jones, because he does have a genuine machismo. But still. I'm not sure i need a Ford-less Indy film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Hemsworth would probably come closest to being able to play Indiana Jones, because he does have a genuine machismo. But still. I'm not sure i need a Ford-less Indy film But it's the wrong kind of machismo. You need a world weariness machismo. Hemsworth is too clean for that. Fabulin and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 It's built in to the very concepts of both Indiana Jones and Marvel to keep going until the money dries up. Serials and comics are cut from the same cloth. That doesn't mean they have to keep using Indy the character of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, karelm said: But it's the wrong kind of machismo. You need a world weariness machismo. Hemsworth is too clean for that. Fat Indy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: It's built in to the very concepts of both Indiana Jones and Marvel to keep going until the money dries up. And isn't that something people should criticising? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Indiana Jones is basically the Lucas/Spielberg version of the Bond films. There's 2 dozen of those. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Daniel Craig for Indy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chen G. said: And isn't that something people should criticising? Just sounds to me like you want them to be something other than what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Daniel Craig for Indy! That kinda actor is actually in the ballpark of where they should look. Not comedic ones Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Just sounds to me like you want them to be something other than what they are. Other than a factory line of clinical and creatively bankrupt films? Hell yeah! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Exactly. In any other series, a similar strategy would get instant backlash. 31 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Indiana Jones is basically the Lucas/Spielberg version of the Bond films. There's 2 dozen of those. True. But Bond has developed this aesthetic whereby they overhaul the lead every couple of films and effectivelly start over. I don't think the same would fly for any other series, including Indiana Jones. Three films were quite enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chen G. said: True. But Bond has developed this aesthetic whereby they overhaul the lead every couple of films and start over. You obviously don't know anything about the Bond films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Bond flicks were better before they became all pseudo arthouse and pretending to be all dark and disturbing. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I like them! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Quantum of Solace is underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 He's too grumpy in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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