Sandor 797 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Bloodboal's Theme.It goes without saying.Uhm, Elfman's Batman Theme is one of the most iconic musical creations of the 80'sYeah, but which theme is the most iconic: Batman Theme or He's A Pirate?Both are iconic. But Elfman's Theme complements the iconic stature of Batman perfectly. It is THE musical representation of the character. He's A Pirate fails in capturing the essence of Jack Sparrow. It's a stand alone piece of music that just happens to be very catchy (like a pop song). Elfman's work achieves a level Zimmer could never reach with his POTC score.What about Batman's theme Vs Hedwig's theme?Both are iconic. Who cares which one is more iconic than the other...? We've had those kind of discussions way too often and it turned out to be futile in the past so please: next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Herrmann is more iconic than Elfman I tell ya!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beY6KfNJwDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzoe 18 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Wow still talking about how iconic Elfman's Batman theme is in a James Horner The Amazing Spider-man thread. Shows how much interest some have of this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Anyone crapping on it should be ashamed, very ashamed.Did I crap on it?You don't recognise Elfman's Spider-Man theme?I never knew I was dwelling amongst such deaf people. I may be lying though.I said there are two or three themes...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 But you said they weren't hummable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I wouldn't hum them.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 It's a bit difficult. Usually a sign of thematic weakness. Just as Giachinno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 You don't hum a great number of Herrmann themes as well.Yet I wouldn't say it's thematic weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 You don't hum a great number of Herrmann themes as well.You don't? I do. Bloody right I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Shouldn't we all take a course on humming, so we have a baseline to rate how the other people can hum? Otherwise you're just blowing smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 It's easier to blow smoke than it is to hum Spiderman's main titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I can hum them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Of course you can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Everybody hums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'd rather whistle than hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 You know you love a score if you're humming a long with what you're listening to but end up humming a few notes ahead of what's actually playing. Or you're in perfect sync with whatever cue you're listening to at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'd rather whistle than hum.I can't whistle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I can whistle but I can't go a very high note Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I scat/use my voice to imitate the instruments....yeah I am wierd like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I don't understand why people think its so hard to hum the Spidey themes. I started doing it on the way to the store yesterday without even realizing it. Now obviously if you don't like the theme you aren't going to hum it, but its not impossible.Joker's theme from TDK on the other hand........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 MOVIE MAGIC featuring James Horner's The Amazing Spiderman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Sounds like Danny Elfman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I just started listening to it and I love that sound.Edit: did they just cut and paste several different tracks together?Edit: ah they're samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm pretty excited. Sounds WAY better than Silvestri's Avengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Yeah, it sounds encouraging.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Yeah, it sounds encouraging.KarolYes. I even liked Horner's brand of electronics for some reason. They did not bother me in Avatar and they sound palatable in Spiderman now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 It sounds a bit airy and less heavy than expected. Which, in Horner's case, is a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Yeah, it sounds encouraging.KarolYes. I even liked Horner's brand of electronics for some reason. They did not bother me in Avatar and they sound palatable in Spiderman now.I think for all the grief we give Horner, he is as good an orchestrator as any. I actually think his understanding of acoustics and sound may even exceed Williams and Goldsmith. The latter two have generally had many awkward orchestrations throughout their careers. But other than the synth choir in Titanic, which is debatable and sounds great for what it is, I can't recall a Horner score with glaringly awkward orchestrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I think for all the grief we give Horner, he is as good an orchestrator as any. I actually think his understanding of acoustics and sound may even exceed Williams and Goldsmith. The latter two have generally had many awkward orchestrations throughout their careers. But other than the synth choir in Titanic, which is debatable and sounds great for what it is, I can't recall a Horner score with glaringly awkward orchestrations.Never change a winning team. But honestly, the syrupy children's choruses in APOLLO 13 etc., the 80's drum machine inferno COMMANDO, the electronics in BEYOND BORDERS...Horner can easily compete in that department with the two other gentlemen named above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I like Horner's orchestration and sounds, I think what I like the most about his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 The samples have me mixed. The airy, less heavy sound is refreshing for a superhero film, but on the other hand -- it makes the orchestra sound smaller and underpowered. And the first minute's worth of samples sound like Horner is trying to emulate the temp-track and keep away from it... I hear some minor Elfman and Young 'influences' there.And there's no big theme that leaps out at me. But then, it's just samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 The Amazon page now reveals the cover art:Source: http://www.amazon.co...ZI/ref=jwfancomAlso I wanted to link again to the latest episode of Tim Burden's great radio show Movie Magic, which premiered clips to the score. http://soundcloud.co...featuring-jamesSomebody has taken the clips that aired on his show and compiled them into a youtube video:[media=] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Lets hope that there are no last minute changes on this one.You mean, Horner being thrown out and replaced by Gabriel Yared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 He was referring to Picking Pockets being dropped at the last minute from the Adventures of Tintin OST, which was also released by Sony Classical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I'm confused at the first half of these samples.Did they temp the film with Elfman's scores, hire Horner to do something different, to then ask him to emulate the temp Elfman score?The second half of things sound more interesting, but I still feel Elfman nailed it square on the head the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Did they temp the film with Elfman's scores, hire Horner to do something different, to then ask him to emulate the temp Elfman score?That's exactly the thought I had! It's like the filmmakers really wanted the Elfman sound, but couldn't hire Elfman after what happened with Spidey 2, and couldn't hire Young after Spidey 3, so they got someone else to just emulate his sound. Horner must have been an expensive way to get what they wanted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Seems like ultimately it would be less expensive to just not screw people over...nah!I do like the action material. Temping aside, this sounds like it could be pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Did they temp the film with Elfman's scores, hire Horner to do something different, to then ask him to emulate the temp Elfman score?That's exactly the thought I had! It's like the filmmakers really wanted the Elfman sound, but couldn't hire Elfman after what happened with Spidey 2, and couldn't hire Young after Spidey 3, so they got someone else to just emulate his sound. Horner must have been an expensive way to get what they wanted!That's exactly what I thought as well. There are some very promising bits in there, but the opening modern samples leave me a bit confused. Regardless, I'm not hearing any major regurgitations of past efforts so I'm really interested in what we'll be getting back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Some moments sound like a simple convergent evolution of Elfman's style and Horner's. Others do sound like Horner's emulating Elfman.The theme is very Hornerish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 The theme is very Hornerish.That, it is.I don't think the theme lives up to Elfman's work. But I still like it and it fits very well with Horner's usual repertoire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Horns are unmistakably Horner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Just like drums are unmistakably drummer. Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Here's a clip of the film featuring Horner's score:[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulHd2EQGPkc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Seems like ultimately it would be less expensive to just not screw people over...nah!LOL! Now you're just being silly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 Here's another clip of the film, in which you can hear the main hero theme (Spider-man's Theme) at work[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9eJqYkhsk4Earlier in the film there is a piano theme (Petere's Theme) in most cues, the hero theme doesn't show up until he dons the costume, I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Sounds very nice.But it still sounds like Elfman. And nobody does Elfman better than Elfman. His energetic theme crushes this one to dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Hmmm...if you'd have told me some RCP slave churned this out, i would have believed it. Simple ostinati and lacking any finesse in catching the on-screen activity is a tough price to pay for not hearing a Horner score made up of danger motifs and Braveheart leftovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I like more Elfman's theme, but this is not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 I really liked Doctor Ocopus's Theme (especially it's reprise in Young's main titles) and the Sandman music too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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