karelm 2,915 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I've really been enjoying American composer George Rochberg's works lately. I listened to his Violin Concerto abridged version and the original and very much prefer the more expansive violin symphony original version lasting 52 minutes long making it what I think could be the longest violin concerto. The work is dark and dramatic but also tonal. Anyone who likes late Shostakovitch, Bernard Herrmann (especially later Herrmann), or Benjamin Britten should find much to admire with this composer. So the reason I am not linking the extremely fine violin concerto is I prefer the restored original violin concerto which has a grander, more symphonic scale but on youtube requires multiple individual links. Additionally, the finer performance is of Isaac Stern's abridged version about 10 minutes shorter. A wonderful performance but not as great a version of the work. Hence I'm in a conundrum and ask you seek it out yourself. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I've listened to George Rochberg's Octet (A Grand Fantasia), but nothing else! I'm interested and will check out these pieces you mention @karelm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Some Rota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A24 4,346 Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 One of my favorite violin concertos. The Cello Concerto and the overall recording are very good as well. Lyrical and melodic, exactly how I want a violin concerto to be. SteveMc, karelm and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 6 hours ago, AC1 said: One of my favorite violin concertos. The Cello Concerto and the overall recording are very good as well. Lyrical and melodic, exactly how I want a violin concerto to be. A good reference to JW's own concert music, these are solid additions to concert repertoire by a major composer known primarily for his work in film but his concert music has little of the same characteristics found in his famous film scores however the "fingerprints" are all there. Another similarity is Rozsa was considered very musically knowledgeable, practically a musicologist and I've heard the same reference made to JW. Very good recommendation and oh I've performed with Lynn Harrell, too cool! Will and A24 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 7 hours ago, AC1 said: One of my favorite violin concertos. The Cello Concerto and the overall recording are very good as well. Lyrical and melodic, exactly how I want a violin concerto to be. Roman Simovic will be performing Miklos Rozsa's violin concerto with the London Symphony Orchestra this December. https://www.lso.co.uk/whats-on/icalrepeat.detail/2021/12/09/2122/-/rozsa-bartok.html A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 A fine performance of a difficult piece: karelm and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Oh wow… just a few days ago I read an article about how Herbert von Karajan conducted Strauss' Alpensinfonie at the Salzburg festival in 1982 and apparently found it ideally suited for the Festspielhaus and also helped it gain a more regular spot in the general concert repertoire. I grew up with Karajan's 1980 recording, which still remains one of my favourites but was superseded by Kempe's 1974 Dresden version. I have a few others and heard it live twice. I've always regretted that Karajan never recorded it along with his other analogue 70s Strauss recordings, which I think are all a step above his 80s digital remakes, and sound much better; if I recall correctly, the Alpensinfonie was Deutsche Grammophon's very first digital recording. The digital versions all sound a bit flat and lack the punch, details, and atmosphere of the 70s recordings. On top of that, the Berliner Philharmoniker struggle a bit with the Alpensinfonie, and some parts are a bit off and a bit weak. And now it turns out that the 1982 performance was broadcast on the Austrian radio (ORF) back in the day, and later once put on a CD that seems to be so rare you can hardly even find any information on it on the internet - and then someone presumably took that CD, added (for whatever reason) a photo of the first page of Mahler's 6th symphony, and uploaded it on YouTube: And it's just stunning. Even with the 80s radio broadcast sound and YouTube compression, there's more detail in it than on the CD version; the tension never lets up for the whole 50 minutes, and that brass! Clearly a few more rehearsals were just what the orchestra needed, and I suppose the immediacy of a live performance did the rest. Quite possibly the best Alpensinfonie I've ever heard, and except for that one rare CD, the recording must have been sitting in the ORF archives for almost 39 years. This needs a regular release! Will, Tom Guernsey and Loert 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,515 Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2021 @Marian Schedenig Wow, that Sunrise really does sound stunning. I'm going to have to listen to the whole thing later tonight! Thanks for posting. EDIT: Finally a convincing wind machine LOL --- Now this is a cello concerto: On a side note, the middle movement sounds uncannily like Williams... Will, karelm and SteveMc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Some Rouse. karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Glorious. Jurassic Shark and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 You should check out Previn's RCA recording. Loert and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You should check out Previn's RCA recording. Or Bryden Thomson's LPO recording, also an amazing performance (final movement especially). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Loert said: Or Bryden Thomson's LPO recording, also an amazing performance (final movement especially). Will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 15 hours ago, Will said: Glorious. Aah, Walton. I have Rattle's Birmingham recording of that on CD, coupled with the absolutely fantastic Belshazzar's Feast. Someday I'll have to go to London to hear that one live - you hardly every get any Walton at all in Austria. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Sad report that national treasure Michael Tilson Thomas has had surgery to remove a brain tumor. I'm praying he's able to beat the cancer. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/arts/music/michael-tilson-thomas.html He's had so many wonderful recordings over the decades, but I must always spotlight what are for me the definitive recordings of two of my favorite pieces of music: Copland's Symphonic Ode and Piston's 2nd symphony. SteveMc, karelm, Tom Guernsey and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Discovered this piece yesterday. I like it! KK and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,515 Posted August 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2021 Some more Adams... karelm, KK and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Ooh. Didn't know about that last one. Sounds like another fun Adams "journey" piece, a la Fearful Symmetries and Guide to Strange Places. The latter is fantastic and underrated. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1) Violin concerto: Meh 2) Shaker Loops: Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I was looking for a CD of Mozart's Requiem and I was hoping that some of you here might suggest me which version is the best. Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Marriner's Philips recording. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, May the Force be with You said: I was looking for a CD of Mozart's Requiem and I was hoping that some of you here might suggest me which version is the best. Thanks in advance I haven't listened to it in years (having sung it a couple of times with our choir, I think I still can't play it without singing along), but back when I was comparing recordings, this Gardiner recording was my favourite: Among other things, I love this brisk tempo in the Offertorium. Most other versions are slower to begin and lose much energy after the fugato (when the solo parts come in). Gardiner keeps pace & energy up throughout, and I find the result breathtaking (and the text still comes through much clearer than in most slower versions). Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I'm going to listen to both to see which one suits me the best. Thanks for the advices! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 . karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I haven't listened to it in years (having sung it a couple of times with our choir, I think I still can't play it without singing along), but back when I was comparing recordings, this Gardiner recording was my favourite: Among other things, I love this brisk tempo in the Offertorium. Most other versions are slower to begin and lose much energy after the fugato (when the solo parts come in). Gardiner keeps pace & energy up throughout, and I find the result breathtaking (and the text still comes through much clearer than in most slower versions). Gardiner and Mozart's Requiem, what an Odd choice. 9 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: I was looking for a CD of Mozart's Requiem and I was hoping that some of you here might suggest me which version is the best. Thanks in advance This recording using mainly male voices (boys and men) add some tragedy to this pathetic work relating our vanishing existence. Different matury of male voices are very effective to me for this particular work. And it's the short version of the Requiem, removing all the parts that are not from Mozart himself... https://www.discogs.com/Mozart-Kirkby-Watkinson-Rolfe-Johnson-Thomas-The-Academy-Of-Ancient-Music-Christopher-Hogwood-Requie/release/7130771 Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Kühni said: Some choral Rachmaninov, anyone? Dat reverb tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Bespin said: Gardiner and Mozart's Requiem, what an Odd choice. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 2:37 AM, AC1 said: 1) Violin concerto: Meh 2) Shaker Loops: Yeah Oh come on! The violin concerto is fantastic. The Toccare is so badass! Looks those bow hairs go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 I think I've posted about Poulenc's Mass a few times over the last couple of years, but I really just never get enough. It's become one of those pieces that is incredibly important to me, that I return to regularly for spiritual succor. It's truly perfect from start to finish. karelm, SteveMc and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Schnittke's Requiem is great. On 8/25/2021 at 8:37 AM, AC1 said: 1) Violin concerto: Meh Philip Glass' first violin concerto is much better. On 8/27/2021 at 5:52 PM, May the Force be with You said: I'm going to listen to both to see which one suits me the best. Thanks for the advices! Peter Schreiber's Philips recording is often used as a reference. Bernstein's recording on DG is epically slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I went on Marriner's Philips recording which was really great after a first listening but thanks for the other suggestion I'll try it too Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, May the Force be with You said: I went on Marriner's Philips recording which was really great after a first listening but thanks for the other suggestion I'll try it too Make sure to try Hogwood's recording, which is of a super conservative edition that excludes as much as possible of Süssmayr's material. It's an essential recording for one reason: Emma Kirkby. Bespin and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Voilà! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Dark, gloomy and heavy. It's Heaven And Hell but then a la Goldenthal. Naïve Old Fart and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 We've heard 'the felt piano' become popular in film music and all kinds of other media but now it has found its way into classical music as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Harmonium: Yeah! The Death Of Klinghoffer: Pew, heavy! KK and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 It's deadly good! On 10/09/2021 at 5:06 PM, AC1 said: We've heard 'the felt piano' become popular in film music and all kinds of other media but now it has found its way into classical music as well. Have you heard his Bach album? Way too much rubato! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 No, I haven't, but that's probably his trademark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I guess so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Why do classical music CDs have the most pretentious covers? "Felt piano"? "Rubato"? Can anyone expand, on these? (edit) OK, I've researched both terms, but...why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 You have these new composers/pianists that write pieces for a felt piano. It's quite popular but I didn't know classical labels are taking notice of this new trend. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 On 02/09/2021 at 11:04 AM, AC1 said: Fantastic! FIRE WATER PAPER is top 5 EG, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: FIRE WATER PAPER That's not a good combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 No Rubato in Bach. Mercy. That's not Chopin. My favourite pianists for Bach are Andràs Schiff and Murray Perahia. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Vibe of the night: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 964 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 On 16/08/2021 at 5:18 PM, Loert said: Discovered this piece yesterday. I like it! The whole opera is outstanding, but someone may have mentioned it already. I've listened to the version he conducted with the BBC orchestra more times than I can count now. karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Schilkeman said: The whole opera is outstanding, but someone may have mentioned it already. I've listened to the version he conducted with the BBC orchestra more times than I can count now. I was at the world premiere in San Francisco. At the time, I think it was only his third opera, the others being historical as well, and each of the other ones were landmarks in their way so their was much anticipation plus being an amateur physics and history buff, I LOVED the powerful story. It isn't a historical opera per se but a literary one taking Robert Oppenheimer as a Faustian character who loses his soul in the quest for knowledge and understanding of the secrets of the atom. He's given infinite budget and resources, but not time to unravel the secrets of the atom but it is for a military objective of crafting a super weapon. You get a real sense that they are playing with the genie in the bottle and once unleashed, can never again be put back in to its bottle - hence the nuclear arms race. The build up to the ending was absolutely terrifying in theater and there was maybe a 15 minute ovation for Adams and Sellers afterwards plus a nice preconcert talk and reception. It was a very moving experience. Sadly, I don't feel the BBC Symphony recording lives up to the experience of seeing it live on stage or some of the better performances. I actually preferred the MET's performance that was broadcast live to theaters but I don't remember if Adams was the conductor. Anyway, long way of saying I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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