Star Wars is better than everything

[h3nryfl0wer 3]

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Alright, I did it anyway...

 

My hero, thank you! (working on adding measure numbers to my own version of this, and this is a real help).

 

(We needn't go any further on the aesthetic merits of the editing; only to seek to understand...)

[Edmilson 7,545]

2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

1:47:05 - 2M3A Take Off
1:47:06 - 6M3N Take To Your Ships

Wait, cue 2M3A was used on this sequence for exactly one second? 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,904]

19 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Wait, cue 2M3A was used on this sequence for exactly one second? 

 

 

 

[JWilliamsFan1999 47]

Does anyone recommend me the scores to the Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars? If Yes, which one and what cues from which movies? Thanks, I'll appreciate this.

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,436]

I higly recommand you the whole three score, especially TFA which is one of the best assembled Williams' OST IMO.

If I were to select only few tracks here are the best for each movies :

 

TFA: Main Title and Attack on the Jakku Village / I Can Fly Anything / Follow Me / Rey's Theme / The Falcon / The Rathars! / Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle / Han and Leia / March of the Resistance / Scherzo for X-Wings / Farewell and the Trip / The Jedi Steps and Finale

 

TLJ: Main Title and Escape / Ahch-To Island / The Supremacy / Fun with Finn and Rose / The Rebellion is Reborn / Lesson One / Canto Bight / The Fathiers / "Chrome Dom" / The Battle of Crait / The Spark / Finale

 

TROS: Journey to Exegol / The Rise of Skywalker / The Speeder Chase / Anthem of Evil / Feeing from Kijimi / We Go Together / Battle of the Resistance / Reuion / A New Home / Finale + Falcon Flight (but that's on the FYC) & Rey's Training (on the DVD menu)

 

But frankly if you like the rest of the Star Wars scores you can listen to the whole albums

 

[Schilkeman 992]

8 hours ago, JWilliamsFan1999 said:

Does anyone recommend me the scores to the Sequel Trilogy of Star Wars? If Yes, which one and what cues from which movies? Thanks, I'll appreciate this.

The Last Jedi is a joy and a wonder, all of it, despite being attached to one of the most “dipshit in your curriculum-required philosophy class who asks, ‘how do we really know how a raccoon feels’” of a film I’ve ever seen. 
 

It is a prime example of JW’s late-period organic style. The themes are memorable, the transitions are masterful, the recording quality is too-notch, and the album assembly is one of the best he’s ever put together. 
 

Two thumbs up, because that’s all the thumbs I have.

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

I mean, he’s not wrong.

 

https://winteriscoming.net/2023/07/20/john-boyega-the-last-jedi-worst-star-wars-sequel-trilogy/

 

 

[A. A. Ron 1,745]

When you're right, you're right.

[Brónach 1,302]

well the third has like one scene that works, or scene and a half

 

but everyone can see that they wanted to split Finn from Rey or Finn from Poe on purpose.

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

14 minutes ago, Brónach said:

but everyone can see that they wanted to split Finn from Rey or Finn from Poe on purpose.

 

For what purpose?

[Brónach 1,302]

i don't know. Finn went in an adventure with Poe originally.

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

I don't think it's any more than trying to replicate The Empire Strikes Back by spreading our heroes across different corners of the galaxy. Obviously, Empire did it better, and the casino planet (I can't remember the name) sequence in TLJ remains the worst in all nine films. And the fact that it's a complete waste of time plot-wise is the least of its problems.

[Jurassic Shark 12,174]

2 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

And the fact that it's a complete waste of time plot-wise is the least of its problems.

 

Just like Raiders.

[Chen G. 3,993]

8 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

I don't think it's any more than trying to replicate The Empire Strikes Back by spreading our heroes across different corners of the galaxy.

 

Well, its very normal for films of this sort to split off into multiple story threads: its in practically every Star Wars film since the original.

 

I think the way The Last Jedi is really trying to "do The Empire Strikes Back" is in its constant attempts to surprise the audience. Ever since The Empire Strikes Back, every Star Wars film had a surprising twist, almost like a Shaymalan movie (and usually about as succesfully as latter-day Shaymalan). The Last Jedi feels like it has fifty of them... wears on you pretty fast.

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

 

8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Just like Raiders.

 

Same with Jurassic Park.

 

If Dr's Grant, Satler & Malcolm never showed up at the island, the dinosaurs would have gone extinct in a few million years anyway.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,655]

2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

... and the casino planet (I can't remember the name)...

 

Cantonica.

The name of the city that the casino is in, is called Canto Bight.

[Jurassic Shark 12,174]

1 hour ago, Chen G. said:

Ever since The Empire Strikes Back, every Star Wars film had a surprising twist, almost like a Shaymalan movie (and usually about as succesfully as latter-day Shaymalan). The Last Jedi feels like it has fifty of them... wears on you pretty fast.

 

Just like any movie nowadays.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,655]

Yeah. The way they split up the characters, in STAR TREK IV, is rubbish 

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Well, its very normal for films of this sort to split off into multiple story threads: its in practically every Star Wars film since the original.

 

Of course. It's like poetry. They rhyme. Every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one. Hopefully, it works.

 

Spoiler

(it didn't)

 

[GerateWohl 4,445]

2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

The Last Jedi feels like it has fifty of them... wears on you pretty fast.

But each of them stating "You thought there is something exciting or original behind this? No it isn't. It is more or less nothing." It is just like opening some of JJ's empty mystery boxes and showing what's inside of it.

[Tallguy 3,442]

2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

the casino planet (I can't remember the name) sequence in TLJ remains the worst in all nine films

 

Fact check: False. It doesn't have Hayden in it. If you weight how bad a scene is by how important it's supposed to be then the final duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan might be the worst. But there was nothing in the sequels that was as bad as C-3PO the battle droid. Not even BB-* driving the walker.

 

I'm not the hater on Rise of Skywalker that some are, but the high points in TLJ were higher than the high points in TROS.

 

10 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

It is just like opening some of JJ's empty mystery boxes and showing what's inside of it.

 

Exactly what he put in it.

 

Imagine if JJ had actually had a plan and THEN Johnson went off 180 degrees from it?

[Brónach 1,302]

I always thought JJ was into the Reylo from the beginning

 

i have a pretty big dislike of VII to be honest.

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

13 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Cantonica.

The name of the city that the casino is in, is called Canto Bight.

 

Is Canto Bight in Cantonica considered canon? 

[enderdrag64 631]

2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

Well, its very normal for films of this sort to split off into multiple story threads: its in practically every Star Wars film since the original.

 

I think the way The Last Jedi is really trying to "do The Empire Strikes Back" is in its constant attempts to surprise the audience. Ever since The Empire Strikes Back, every Star Wars film had a surprising twist, almost like a Shaymalan movie (and usually about as succesfully as latter-day Shaymalan). The Last Jedi feels like it has fifty of them... wears on you pretty fast.

I'm struggling to think of twists in the prequel trilogy. Didn't everyone know what would happen coming into them?

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

3 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said:

I'm struggling to think of twists in the prequel trilogy. Didn't everyone know what would happen coming into them?

 

I think most people came into them thinking they'd be good. So you could call the way they turned out to be the ultimate twist.

[Tallguy 3,442]

24 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said:

Didn't everyone know what would happen coming into them?

 

No. I had coworkers who either had never seen Star Wars or hadn't seen them since they were kids

 

I think the only thing "everyone" knew was that the little kid was Darth Vader. (It was on the poster.)

 

A lost of people had no idea that Palpatine and the bad guy with the cloak were the same fellow. For all my complaints that all the exposition happens in "part IV", Lucas actually stuck to his guns on that one.

 

OTOH, I don't know what I would describe as a "twist" in 1-3.

[Chen G. 3,993]

39 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said:

I'm struggling to think of twists in the prequel trilogy. Didn't everyone know what would happen coming into them?

 

The Phantom Menace: The queen is not actually the queen (actually works pretty well)

 

Attack of the Clones: OMG, Anakin went to town on the sand people!

 

Revenge of the Sith: OMG, the president is the bad guy! (in the earliest draft, Lucas also wanted to have Palpatine tell Anakin he sired him through the Midichlorians)

[Faleel 5,401]

VII felt a lot like a EU novel to me, a lot of the beats felt like something from the Denning/Luceno/Allston/Golden era.

[GerateWohl 4,445]

2 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

The Phantom Menace: The queen is not actually the queen (actually works pretty well)

 

Attack of the Clones: OMG, Anakin went to town on the sand people!

 

Revenge of the Sith: OMG, the president is the bad guy! (in the earliest draft, Lucas also wanted to have Palpatine tell Anakin he sired him through the Midichlorians)

I thought the big twist in episode 2 was, when Padme tells Anakin that she actually loves this idiot.

[Faleel 5,401]

3 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

The Phantom Menace: The queen is not actually the queen (actually works pretty well)

 

Attack of the Clones: OMG, Anakin went to town on the sand people!

 

Revenge of the Sith: OMG, the president is the bad guy! (in the earliest draft, Lucas also wanted to have Palpatine tell Anakin he sired him through the Midichlorians)

You could argue the Geonosis Death Star could be a twist. (Or *shudder* a "creation myth")

[Chen G. 3,993]

14 minutes ago, Signals said:

(Or *shudder* a "creation myth")

 

Strangly enough, with the exception of the Midichlorians stuff, I can't blame the prequels at depicting creation myths, particularly. It doesn't explain how the republic came to be, how the Jedi order was established, how they became aware of the Force, how the Sith emerged, etc...

 

We do see the beginnings of the Death Star, but its honestly done pretty subtly. Much, much more so than Rogue One: the Death Star blowing Aldeeran - supposedly its first use ever, having been kept a top secret, the original film would have us believe - is scarcely as exciting or shocking once we've seen it being used a good two times in Rogue One.

 

The fault of depicting creation myths is endemic to more recent prequels, both in Star Wars (Solo, the putative Mangold film) and in other media series: Lord of the Rings, Alien, etc...

[Schilkeman 992]

4 hours ago, Brónach said:

 

i have a pretty big dislike of VII to be honest.

Indeed, a lot of the hate TLJ gets is for following up on the ideas JJ introduced in VII. They built that house on rotted wood, and it decayed from the start.

[Holko 9,581]

3 hours ago, Schilkeman said:

Indeed, a lot of the hate TLJ gets is for following up on the ideas JJ introduced in VII. They built that house on rotted wood, and it decayed from the start.

And a batch of hate it gets is for stuff that "didn't matter at all" because JJ didn't follow up on them in IX.

[Sweeping Strings 2,391]

@Schilkeman, have just spotted the lines from U2's Lemon in your sig ... 30 years on, Zooropa still sounds kinda like the future to me. A fine piece of experimentation, that album.    

[Naïve Old Fart 9,655]

Truth to tell, ZOOROPA is, probably, my second favourite U2 record. It's either that, or THE UNFORGETTABLE FIRE.

Anyway, it's definitely top-5 

 

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[Schilkeman 992]

27 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said:

@Schilkeman, have just spotted the lines from U2's Lemon in your sig ... 30 years on, Zooropa still sounds kinda like the future to me. A fine piece of experimentation, that album.    

 

24 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Truth to tell, ZOOROPA is, probably, my second favourite U2 record. It's either that, or THE UNFORGETTABLE FIRE.

Anyway, it's definitely top-5 

 

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I like it fine. Lemon is an amazing song, just like Mofo is a stand-out on Pop, but the album meanders a bit. Most of the songs are too long. It lacks the focus of Achtung Baby. All told, I agree with Edge's assessment:

 

"We don't go down the road with a piece of music just because it's unusual. That's not enough for us now. We want something that's potent and some of these songs are not particularly potent."

 

That said, I think it add variety to their output, The Wanderer is inspired, and we're all better off for it having been made. My personal ranking, if anyone cares:

 

Brilliant:

Achtung Baby

War

The Unforgettable Fire

The Joshua Tree

Songs of Innocence

All That You Can't Leave Behind

 

Inspired, but less brilliant:

Boy

No Line on the Horizon

Zooropa

 

Not great, but some great individual songs hiding out:

Songs of Experience

Rattle and Hum

Pop

October

 

I fucking hate it:

How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (has 4 good songs, the rest are trash, and Rick Rubin shouldn't be allowed within 100 yards of any rock band)

 

Oh wait, this is a Star Wars thread lol.

 

 

 

 

[enderdrag64 631]

16 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

The Phantom Menace: The queen is not actually the queen (actually works pretty well)

Oh yeah! Somehow I completely forgot the queen is not the queen! That one does actually work really well.

16 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Revenge of the Sith: OMG, the president is the bad guy! (in the earliest draft, Lucas also wanted to have Palpatine tell Anakin he sired him through the Midichlorians)

I've always wondered how accurate the later Darth Plagueis EU novel was to this draft, given it implements a similar concept.

[Sweeping Strings 2,391]

5 hours ago, Schilkeman said:

 

I like it fine. Lemon is an amazing song, just like Mofo is a stand-out on Pop, but the album meanders a bit. Most of the songs are too long. It lacks the focus of Achtung Baby. All told, I agree with Edge's assessment:

 

"We don't go down the road with a piece of music just because it's unusual. That's not enough for us now. We want something that's potent and some of these songs are not particularly potent."

 

That said, I think it add variety to their output, The Wanderer is inspired, and we're all better off for it having been made. My personal ranking, if anyone cares:

 

Brilliant:

Achtung Baby

War

The Unforgettable Fire

The Joshua Tree

Songs of Innocence

All That You Can't Leave Behind

 

Inspired, but less brilliant:

Boy

No Line on the Horizon

Zooropa

 

Not great, but some great individual songs hiding out:

Songs of Experience

Rattle and Hum

Pop

October

 

I fucking hate it:

How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (has 4 good songs, the rest are trash, and Rick Rubin shouldn't be allowed within 100 yards of any rock band)

 

Oh wait, this is a Star Wars thread lol.

 

 

 

 

Been a fan for more than half my life ... my late father brought me back Rattle And Hum as a present from a Dublin work trip he'd been on, and that was that. Best live band I've ever seen, their shows are something else. Am coming to the end of Bono's biography ... people can say what they fucking like, I damn well admire the man. 

I wouldn't worry about the derailment, given how often threads on other subjects turn into Star Wars discussions around here.   

[Schilkeman 992]

18 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

Didn't everyone know what would happen coming into them?

The clones being the "good guys," for one. All the EU material before AotC intimated that the clones fought against the old republic.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,655]

My top-5 U2 would be:

1/ WAR 

2/ THE UNFORGETTABLE FIRE 

3/ OCTOBER 

4/ ZOOROPA 

5/ POP

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said:

Been a fan for more than half my life ... my late father brought me back Rattle And Hum as a present from a Dublin work trip he'd been on, and that was that.

 

RATTLE AND HUM  with its customised Our Price bag, is worth quite a lot.

[Tallguy 3,442]

Hey, could we keep the discussion to Indiana Jones, please?

[Schilkeman 992]

44 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

Hey, could we keep the discussion to Indiana Jones, please?

Why? I don’t think Indiana Jones would be a fan of U2. Not relevant.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,655]

After five films, Indiana Jones still hasn't found what he's looking for 

[Sweeping Strings 2,391]

18 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

My top-5 U2 would be:

1/ WAR 

2/ THE UNFORGETTABLE FIRE 

3/ OCTOBER 

4/ ZOOROPA 

5/ POP

 

 

 

 

RATTLE AND HUM  with its customised Our Price bag, is worth quite a lot.

A top 5 that contains neither The Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby? Fascinating, sir! 

Some mighty fine stuff on Pop ... aw man, there's a bit on Discotheque after the first chorus with the Edge's riff treated to sound like an antique synth and Larry drumming his ass off, all *Yer wantin' me to compete with loops and samples, is that it? RIGHT, YOU FECKERS!!!* that is pure joy to me. Mofo is a piece of EDM I actually like (maybe because the lyrics are about Bono realising a lot of other performers (like himself) he'd met had lost a parent early in life and was the seeking of a crowd's love maybe a replacement for the love of said parent). Gone should've been a single, it's a piece of that 'stratospheric' rock that they're so damn good at.

Of the album's forays into trip-hop If God Will Send His Angels maybe doesn't quite come off but Miami and The Playboy Mansion do, gloriously so. Staring At The Sun is fine on record, but really came into its own when Bono and the Edge played it as an acoustic duo on the Popmart tour (and others). Wake Up Dead Man is a fabulously melancholy 'pissed off at God for apparently forsaking us' album closer.           

[Jay 37,467]

Yea this U2 sidebar had gone on long enough it needs to continue in the pop rock thread now. 

 

This thread's for Star Wars

[Naïve Old Fart 9,655]

1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said:

A top 5 that contains neither The Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby? Fascinating, sir! 

 

These are my personal favourites.

Both THE JOSHUA TREE, and ACHTUNG BABY would be among their greatest works, but I prefer to listen to the five that I have chosen.

[JTN 2,165]

On 21/7/2023 at 5:14 PM, Sweeping Strings said:

I wouldn't worry about the derailment, given how often threads on other subjects turn into Star Wars discussions around here.   

Luke is clearly a fan.

[Tallguy 3,442]

9 hours ago, JTW said:

Luke is clearly a fan.

 

"Looking for what you are? FOUND someone you have!"

[Nick1Ø66 4,761]

On 21/7/2023 at 3:45 AM, Schilkeman said:

 

I like it fine. Lemon is an amazing song, just like Mofo is a stand-out on Pop, but the album meanders a bit. Most of the songs are too long. It lacks the focus of Achtung Baby. All told, I agree with Edge's assessment:

 

"We don't go down the road with a piece of music just because it's unusual. That's not enough for us now. We want something that's potent and some of these songs are not particularly potent."

 

That said, I think it add variety to their output, The Wanderer is inspired, and we're all better off for it having been made. My personal ranking, if anyone cares:

 

Brilliant:

Achtung Baby

War

The Unforgettable Fire

The Joshua Tree

Songs of Innocence

All That You Can't Leave Behind

 

Inspired, but less brilliant:

Boy

No Line on the Horizon

Zooropa

 

Not great, but some great individual songs hiding out:

Songs of Experience

Rattle and Hum

Pop

October

 

I fucking hate it:

How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (has 4 good songs, the rest are trash, and Rick Rubin shouldn't be allowed within 100 yards of any rock band)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yoda says these are his favourite U2 albums. He's a Jedi Master...well, really, THE Jedi Master, and as such this list is inarguable. 

1. Fire
2. Tree
3. Achtung
4. Behind
5. Horizon
6. War
7. October
8. Boy
9. Zooropa
10. Pop
11. Bomb
12. Innocence
13. Experience

Nearly Great But There's Something Missing: Everything after Moment of Surrender, which was the last truly great U2 song. It's the Empire Strikes Back of U2 songs. They're not the same band without Eno & Lanois.

 

Innocence and Experience should have best been left to Blake. They're the Sequel Trilogy of U2, only even less inspired. 

 

The current album of remixes is terrible. Stripped down is not a good sound for U2. 

[Schilkeman 992]

2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

Innocence and Experience should have best been left to Blake. They're the Sequel Trilogy of U2, only even less inspired.

Innocence has some really solid songs on it, but it's best as an album experience. Experience, like Bomb, has some amazing songs, but also American Soul, which I nominate as having the worst lyrics Bono has ever written. There's a Bullet the Blue Sky pt2 in that song, somewhere, but Bono insisted on speaking, when it should have been Edge.

 

2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

Stripped down is not a good sound for U2.

I definitely agree with this. They do not, and I say this as a huge fan, have the musical chops for this kind of setting. They need the bigness to be effective.

 

In short. Sometimes the very, very popular thing, like, say, Star Wars, or U2, are very, very popular for a reason. At least U2 is still making new music. Star Wars hasn't had a new film since 2005.