#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Exactly! Gollum is a character to me, not an effect. Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Again, I was only talking about the effects themselves. There's no arguing as to who was the most memorable character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 17 minutes ago, Romão said: There's no arguing as to who was the most memorable character That is 100 times more interesting to me then the quality of the effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 No question about that and I'm on the same page. But the discussion was centering on how realistic CGI characters can get. I'm a Yoda puppet kind of guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Oh me too. CGI Yoda sucks ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I must the only one who cringed at subpar composition-blend between Gollum and the real actors and sets back in 2002. 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: That is 100 times more interesting to me then the quality of the effects Tolkien made him memorable anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 31 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: I must the only one who cringed at subpar composition-blend between Gollum and the real actors and sets back in 2002. Nope. I'm not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Gollum was stunning back then and he still is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 As for Jar Jar Binks, well, he clearly remains Ahmed's best role. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 In RotK, Gollum was pretty damn ood, but in Hobbit 1 he looked astounding. Don't think anything will surpass that for a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,661 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Isn't the "uncanny valley" issue only relevant to animating human beings? At least, that is how the term is usually used. So Gollum, Jar Jar, and even the BFG really don't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Maybe not. The reactions increase in horror as humanlike figures approach the uncanny valley. Are people horrified or disgusted by Gollum and Jar Jar, yes, but not for those reasons. They're not trying to be made completely humanlike so we don't mind. But young Xavier in Wolverine Origins and young Jeff Bridges in TRON Legacy and The Polar Express, those are definitely uncanny valley players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Digi Arnie in Genisys was actually pretty awesome when he was just standing and looking around, though his running and fighting scenes were somewhere deep down in the uncanny valley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 54 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: In RotK, Gollum was pretty damn ood, but in Hobbit 1 he looked astounding. Don't think anything will surpass that for a while... I prefer LOTR Gollum to Hobbit 1 Gollum. For some reason the latter feels more like an effect to me (perhaps it's the Uncanny Valley). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I agree. But the artificial aesthetic of the entire movie is more to blame there than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think it's the updated eyes that do it for me most, but I get what you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 The Witches was actually the first movie I saw in a theater and by the time the faces were removed to reveal a grotesque monster, I also had to be removed. I vividly remember a witch trapping a little girl in a painting, a chopped off finger and a witch with crazy eyes attempting to lure a child out of a treehouse with a snake. What a freakshow. I wonder if it's on Netflix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 The girl in the picture is one of the most effective part's of the movie. I must show this to my kids asap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 New featurette (no Williams): Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I find Disney's lack of Williams in their promotional pieces disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I'm glad there is still some secrecy regarding the score (barring the Cannes incident) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2016 I get what you mean, but I actually am glad they are being so restrained as I really want to experience the music for this alongside seeing the film for the first time, and I'd lack the willpower to wait if they were using Williams heavily in their promotional material. I feel like that sentence was 10x wordier than it needed to be, but you get my drift. EDIT: #ImWithMrBig crumbs, Not Mr. Big and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I'll take what I can get promo-wise, but at this point, I definitely will be able to resist listening to the whole soundtrack before seeing the film. If we get any samples, I will probably have to let myself listen to those once.....and if/when it leaks or shows up on Spotify I'll listen to the end credits once too. But that's it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 If it comes close to matching the lush writing he did on War Horse I'll be a very happy Vegemite. I've found Williams' recent underscore writing a little thin, as far as orchestration. Restrained, even. Got a really good feeling about this score though, even if he seemed to write it in only 8 - 10 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 18 minutes ago, crumbs said: Got a really good feeling about this score though, even if he seemed to write it in only 8 - 10 weeks. Which is pretty much the usual time for a film composer, 10 weeks being almost on the luxurious side even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Incanus said: Which is pretty much the usual time for a film composer, 10 weeks being almost on the luxurious side even. A good sign he isn't slowing down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Yeah, now composers are expected to write scores in 4 weeks or even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Wasnt TESB written in just over a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Pretty sure that any director/studio who wants Williams badly enough would accommodate whatever time he requires to write. Just look at TFA; some poor work experience intern is still sorting through hundreds of overtime timesheets JW submitted. And they still invited him back! Will and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Is Williams discussion even allowed here? Jason or Incanus should move some of these posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Is that new Williams music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I think this was the actual main theme. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Wow, The BFG Main Theme sounds amazing! The use of synth percussive claps is new territory for the maestro. We might have a rival to Rey's Theme after all! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I saw Warcraft today and the orcs looked convincingly real .I wonder why they can't do that with the BFG giant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 Why don't you write about the movies you see in the NewFilm thread you created any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 3 hours ago, king mark said: I saw Warcraft today and the orcs looked convincingly real You are shitting me, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 they did. I thought the CGI was well done in that film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 If you thought that, then usually it wasn't.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 The CG for the orcs in Warcraft look good, shame about their silly designs. Give me actors in suits with prosthetic from the Lord of the Rings days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 1 hour ago, RPurton said: The CG for the orcs in Warcraft look good, shame about their silly designs. Give me actors in suits with prosthetic from the Lord of the Rings days... Sadly PJ wanted full CG orcs from the start as he admits in the Hobbit documentaries. The prosthetics were just a necessary evil back in 2001 according to PJ as they could not create convincing CG orcs back then. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Thats not true! That's impossible...AAAARRRGGGHH! Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Even permitting that was the case, what we ended up with was what made the orcs more intimidating, unique and just 'real'. Not CGI sameness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Yeah, but... it's harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 6 hours ago, RPurton said: The CG for the orcs in Warcraft look good, shame about their silly designs. That movie looks like the Hobbit... Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 On 6/14/2016 at 11:14 AM, mrbellamy said: I like the look of the palace shots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 On 15/6/2016 at 10:51 AM, Incanus said: Sadly PJ wanted full CG orcs from the start as he admits in the Hobbit documentaries. The prosthetics were just a necessary evil back in 2001 according to PJ as they could not create convincing CG orcs back then. Did he really said that? Does he really want to be the next George Lucas??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Less then 10 years from now SE's of the LOTR trilogy will be released! It is unavoidable....it is his destiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 More TV spots. Definitely no Williams music at all in the second, first and third have very short moments that could possibly be him -- watch the videos and judge for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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