#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 No, you are wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 A lot of this is a lot of fun but at the end I feel like I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 No, you are wrong!I can't be, since I disagree with you, who are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I haven't been wrong since 1998! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 You've been wrong your whole life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 You know! This abuse is why I left in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2015 AOTC is a criminally under-appreciated score that might falter as a whole but features some fantastic writing. Sharkissimo, Damien F and WilliamHorne97 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Does anyone else hear fragments of Kylo Ren's theme in the more melodic contours of Rey's Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think this is a top 10 Williams for me.Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Just listened to Main Title/Attack on Jakku, The Scavenger, Rey's Theme, March of the Resistance, and Scherzo for X-Wings. Saving the rest for the film tomorrow night. And I also listened to the very beginning of The Jedi Steps just to hear the ABC spot thing As I expected it sounds way better in its proper recording, I'm much happier with it. I wasn't quite sure what to make of The Scavenger/Rey's Theme on first listen, not so much the surprising orchestral colors (which are wonderful) but more because there are three different recurring ideas in there (the fast rhythmic motif, the slower one, and the theme proper) and I didn't quite make sense of them altogether for some reason, but I'm hooked on it now. I love this. Sad to hear it apparently doesn't make much of an impact on the rest of the album....there's a lot of it in the film, right? The march and scherzo are fun, though yeah, not really all-timers or anything. The march's theme is growing on me, though. And I thought the main title sounded fine, not sure where the lackluster comments are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Anyone know which track it appears first in?Granted I was listening to most of the score on a bus, so I maybe just cruised through it?Seriously, you listened to the score once in transit and are already judging it against the others?For fuck sake!Typical KK!"Was listening to the score while cutting wood with a chainsaw. Thought music was pure shit!"In my defence, it was a quiet bus, and I just wasn't blown away by the music right away, that's all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 So young, and already too jaded.Pity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think this is a top 10 Williams for me.Wow.Please clarify the tone of this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Ricard obviously doesn't like it as much as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 On my second listen, the first half actually has a lot of heart. Rey's theme is wonderful.Hopefully I do warm up more to the whole thing, or I'm sure Steef will have me crucified. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Yes, its very easy to figure out what he meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamHorne97 16 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'm going to see the movie in a little over 4 hours time Soooo pumped! Can't wait to hear the music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 No need for a derisive "wow" if that is indeed the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Ricard's dream didn't come true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 What personal reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I wasn't quite sure what to make of The Scavenger/Rey's Theme on first listen, not so much the surprising orchestral colors (which are wonderful) but more because there are three different recurring ideas in there (the fast rhythmic motif, the slower one, and the theme proper) and I didn't quite make sense of them altogether for some reason, but I'm hooked on it now. I love this. Sad to hear it apparently doesn't make much of an impact on the rest of the album....there's a lot of it in the film, right?You're right. There's a lot going on with the theme, but you do really warm up to it. Especially with the sweeping statements of the main melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 What personal reasons?I'm John Williams. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaPeanuts 0 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 So that melody from the TV Spot that was thought to be Rey's Theme, does it just play in that near the end track and thats it? I'm glad cause I didn't care for the theme much though it is more bearable on the CD than in the TV spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Its only in that final trackAnd its one of my favorite moments on the whole CD! It's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I wasn't quite sure what to make of The Scavenger/Rey's Theme on first listen, not so much the surprising orchestral colors (which are wonderful) but more because there are three different recurring ideas in there (the fast rhythmic motif, the slower one, and the theme proper) and I didn't quite make sense of them altogether for some reason, but I'm hooked on it now. I love this. Sad to hear it apparently doesn't make much of an impact on the rest of the album....there's a lot of it in the film, right? You're right. There's a lot going on with the theme, but you do really warm up to it. Especially with the sweeping statements of the main melody.Those sweeping statements remind me of Yoda's Theme (well I guess the second half of it), and as I said earlier, a lot of it sounds like Ren's theme (and maybe some little bits resemble Luke's three-note descending thematic fragment, but less so). I think you could make a convincing case of Rey's lineage from her theme in either of those directions...Meanwhile, "The Abduction" is a fantastic cue, ending with one of Rey's themes. I'm still a little confused over the way she has like four different melodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2015 Three listens in and I will say this. It's good, but not great. Ranked against the previous six Star Wars scores, its a clear last place Ranked against all of Williams' post-2005 output, I like it more than Book Thief but less than War Horse, Lincoln, Tintin, and IJKOCS. Ranked against all film music from the year 2015, its one of the best! Really, the action music is the weakest part. There's some great, reflective stuff in "The Scavenger", "Rey's Theme", "Finn's Confession", "Han and Leia", and "The Jedi Steps". But the action music isn't as good as the Original Trilogy, or even the Prequel Trilogy, not even close. For example, when I got the TPM OST, I was immediately replaying "Panaka and the Queen's Protectors ", "The Sith spacecraft and The Droid Battle", etc Long before I had even seen the filmed, I loved those. With AOTC it was The Chase Through Coruscant and The Arena. Those are instant classics! There's no action music on that level here. Maybe I'll love this more once I've seen the film, but for now, its not a TERRIBLY exciting score. Of course, my expectations were probably too high. Sharkissimo, Jacck, Ricard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Ricard obviously doesn't like it as much as you do.Yes, its very easy to figure out what he meantNo need for a derisive "wow" if that is indeed the case.Not only am I enamored of it musically, but the hype and excitement contribute also. And most significantly, there are several personal reasons for me to have great affection for it.So, if that seems silly, wow away!Derisive? That gets another "wow". And no your reasons don't seem silly at all, they are yours and I respect them as much as anyone else's.There are so many dozens of Williams albums that I'd consider superior to TFA on first listens that I'm utterly surprised to see that it makes anyone's top 10.That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I want to know what the inversion of Kylo's theme is, I just don't hear it. When I try to hum it, it sounds like maybe it is similar to Han and Leia, is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter.anschutz 43 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 There's a least one change to the Main Title - cymbals now crash at the end of both trumpet statements of the theme instead of just the last one before the string section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I largely agree with everything you just said Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I actually agree 100% with what Jay said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Hopefully seeing the film will change my opinion.I can't remember now how much I loved Tintin or War Horse on first listen.I think it took me a few listens to get into Tintin, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Ofcourse! These are loads of JW scores better then this. Doesn't mean its still not excellent.TGP's taste go towards the modern JW stuff anyway, rather then the true classics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Good score, eh?Yes, but the performance is awful! These LA players are incompetentWho's the orchestra on this again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 the unreleased music could change everything...like RotS OST, because it lacked so many good cues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Who's the orchestra on this again? Hollywood Studio Symphony Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think this is a top 10 Williams for me.Wow.I can see that. I was sold by "The Scavenger" and it just got better and better and better.But I also went into this thinking it would be a dull autopilot score. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 My favorite tracks: 02 The Scavenger 05 Follow Me 06 Rey's Theme 10 Finn's Confession 11 Maz's Counsel 15 Han and Leia 20 The Ways of the Force 23 The Jedi Steps and Finale Every second of the final track is really great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Yes, The Jedi Steps and Finale is certainly a highlight of Williams' late period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Yeah, the finale was good stuff."The Starkiller" was moving too, though it has War Horse written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 My opinions on some pieces will also go up when I can crank them on headphones instead of listening on Dell computer speakers, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It reminded me of ROTS string writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 You've all caught the reference to Snowy In Pursuit, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Ofcourse! These are loads of JW scores better then this. Doesn't mean its still not excellent.TGP's taste go towards the modern JW stuff anyway, rather then the true classics.The true classics were all modern JW stuff at some point! Jilal and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I want to know what the inversion of Kylo's theme is, I just don't hear it. When I try to hum it, it sounds like maybe it is similar to Han and Leia, is that right?Yes. Think of Ren's theme as these four notes: 1 -> 2 (short step down), 2 -> 3 (large leap down), 3 -> 4 (medium leap up), and compare with the predominantly distinctive four notes of the other theme in question (ignoring the first leap notes): 1 -> 2 (short step up), 2 -> 3 (large leap up), 3 -> 4 (large leap down). The direction is the opposite (how apt), and the intervals of the steps (short/large etc) are more or less the same, although truthfully it's not 1:1, but the overall intended effect I think is quite clear, if maybe not obvious. Crimson Nagus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It reminded me of ROTS string writing.This entire scores string writing and recording has more in common with 77 SW than any of the prequels.In fact the whole score is 1977 John Williams meets PoA/War Horse Williams. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I also like the spirit of Finn's theme, but I wish it stuck out more in the score.And I'm not sure if I'm just being obtuse, but I don't know which of the motifs here belong to Kylo Ren.It reminded me of ROTS string writing.This entire scores string writing and recording has more in common with 77 SW than any of the prequels.Nah. Most of the string writing here takes after Williams' more layered harmonic style of the post-00s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Kylo Ren's motif has pitches E, D#, G and F#, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 My opinions on some pieces will also go up when I can crank them on headphones instead of listening on Dell computer speakers, too Oh... I'll forget about everything you posted then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 My opinions on some pieces will also go up when I can crank them on headphones instead of listening on Dell computer speakers, too Fucking hell!The Moderator of JWfan listening for the first time on computer speakers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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