Jay 37,367 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 This might help? http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25879&p=1201923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 The music works really well in that last scene. One of the best moments in the film. Save for that horrible helicopter shot that looks like it's out of a 1980s music video (or an unused shot from Highlander).What's wrong with '80s music videos? Or Highlander, for that matter? It's wrong when it sticks out like a sore thumb in a Star Wars movie.I assume that's not the only non-Star Warsy shot in TFA? Anyway I'll check it by myself I guess, although I'm in no hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Okay. The Falcon is now one of my favorite modern Williams action setpieces! Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'm really enjoying this. It has a different sound compared to the previous Star Wars scores yet still sounds like a Star Wars score (actually the way it is recorded reminds me a lot of the Boston Pops concert recordings, particularly the Finale).It's nice to hear Han And Leia's theme return. I haven't seen the film yet (Saturday for me) so I'm trying my utmost to avoid anything that might spoil the film for me, but is Luke and Leia quoted at all in the film? So far that's the only OT theme (aside from a quote of the Imperial March I expect will accompany the scene of Kylo Ren pretending Vader's burned helmet can hear him) I haven't really heard that I'd like to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 The music works really well in that last scene. One of the best moments in the film. Save for that horrible helicopter shot that looks like it's out of a 1980s music video (or an unused shot from Highlander).What's wrong with '80s music videos? Or Highlander, for that matter? It's wrong when it sticks out like a sore thumb in a Star Wars movie.I assume that's not the only non-Star Warsy shot in TFA? Anyway I'll check it by myself I guess, although I'm in no hurry.The list of things that are non-Star Warsy in this movie is potentially endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'm on my first list, and I already love that theme at 4: 20 (I assume it's Kylo Ren's), with those blaring trumpets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I found his theme a bit generic to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It's a simple theme, but those trumpets really sold it to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Negative KKYou believe yet it was Williams in that trailer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It's a simple theme, but those trumpets really sold it to meI also wasn't entirely convinced by those blaring uniso trumpets there...something about the recording doesn't really sell them well to me.Negative KKYou believe yet it was Williams in that trailer? I stand corrected there! I admit that I appreciate it a lot more in context.I know everyone's been raving about Rey's Theme, which is lovely, but I'm really digging Finn's theme (if it is indeed his theme)!BadababadabaBadababadabaBadababadaba tss tssI was referring the heroic outburst at 1:18 of "I Can Fly Anything". Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Funny how some folks who didn't love it like the best thing in the world on first listen immediately apologize for that as if it were a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Otherwise we'll be stoned!!!SW is too sacred a property to even suggest the slightest disappointment!Okay. The Falcon is now one of my favorite modern Williams action setpieces!It's a damn fine piece isn't it? The type of Williams action scoring I like best.But I don't think anything in this album will rank among any of my top Williams lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I just think this score is a breath of fresh air. This style of film scoring is slowly dying out. Few composers (alive) can write orchestral music with this kind complexity in structure and depth, apart from maybe Howard Shore and to some extent Desplat. In the context of JW, it may not be a classic, but in the context of film scores in general, it's far superior (at least from a technical stand point) than anything I've heard this year. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 That's true, and I can understand most of the raving here is coming from starved fans who have longed for tastes of the franchise, or some proper old-school action-adventure scoring. I just can't help but be the tempered listener here.Oh and yes, once we start getting bland Giacchino SW scores, we'll be longer for the days of scores like TFA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Funny to see someone who thinks this score is so much worse than Superman has some interest to post here. In the forum of the lost talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I wish we got more of stuff lie the second half of "That Girl with the Staff". More of those piano clusters please!"The Rathtars!" is also a cool cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Otherwise we'll be stoned!!!SW is too sacred a property to even suggest the slightest disappointment!Okay. The Falcon is now one of my favorite modern Williams action setpieces! It's a damn fine piece isn't it? The type of Williams action scoring I like best.But I don't think anything in this album will rank among any of my top Williams lists.Oh it does here! I've already come to like it a lot more than Tintin's action material, and some of the setpieces in the Prequels (save for Get 'Em R-2!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Did you see the film already, Kalaisan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Seeing it tomorrow night! About 24 hours from now in fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Seeing it tomorrow night! About 24 hours from now in fact!Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Oh it does here! I've already come to like it a lot more than Tintin's action material, and some of the setpieces in the Prequels (save for Get 'Em R-2!).Interesting. I don't think anything here really rival the major setpieces of the prequels. Well except stuff like Battle of the Heroes I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think most of us will appreciate the score a lot better in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 With this new experience, seeing the film before hearing the CD I'm definitely ready to do it also in the future. Just a brilliant experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Funny to see someone who thinks this score is so much worse than Superman has some interest to post here. In the forum of the lost talent. I find ggyyver just crawling out of his hobbit sub-forum just to tell every one this new album sucks (he probably didn't listen to it) and having no interest in the film incredibly insulting as a JW fanI'm so glad no hobbitts thread ever show up in my sights anymore Demondm810 and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyerwin 0 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Does anyone else hear similarities between Rey's theme starting at (0:14) and Disney's Beauty and the Beast Prologue? That was the first thing that popped in my head. https://youtu.be/jCPZ_BLe6hE?t=8s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted December 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2015 Going by my first listen, I'd say that while this might be the worst Star Wars score, it is a beautiful score nevertheless and easily my favourite from this year. It has a lovely sense of finality to it, not only looking back to past Star Wars scores but Williams's career as a whole. Note the callbacks to those neo-baroque fugues from the mid 70s, the flute and celeste textures of The Jedi Steps recalling Ben Gardner's Boat, or the suspensions, anticipations and appoggiaturaas in The Starkiller drawing to mind Elliot mourning E.T's "death", Arlington and other threnodies throughout Williams's career.This is one to cherish, folks. Not Mr. Big, KK and mrbellamy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Going by my first listen, I'd say that while this might be the worst Star Wars score, it is a beautiful score nevertheless and easily my favourite from this year. It has a lovely sense of finality to it, not only looking back to past Star Wars scores but Williams's career as a whole. Note the callbacks to those neo-baroque fugues from the mid 70s, the flute and celeste textures of The Jedi Steps recalling Ben Gardner's Boat, or the suspensions, anticipations and appoggiaturaas in The Starkiller drawing to mind Elliot mourning E.T's "death", Arlington and other threnodies throughout Williams's career.This is one to cherish, folks.Spot on, mate!Listening to this, I don't think this is really Williams writing SW music, its more like Williams writing the kind of music he likes to write these days. You can hear those familiar harmonic suspensions in cues like "The Starkiller", its the kind of music that identifies with the twilight phase of his career. And then something like Rey's Theme, which really seems to evoke the pastoral nature of his work lately. It's nice and personal. It just doesn't compete with the strong distinctive musical personalities of its predecessors, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Going by my first listen, I'd say that while this might be the worst Star Wars score, it is a beautiful score nevertheless and easily my favourite from this year. It has a lovely sense of finality to it, not only looking back to past Star Wars scores but Williams's career as a whole. Note the callbacks to those neo-baroque fugues from the mid 70s, the flute and celeste textures of The Jedi Steps recalling Ben Gardner's Boat, or the suspensions, anticipations and appoggiaturaas in The Starkiller drawing to mind Elliot mourning E.T's "death", Arlington and other threnodies throughout Williams's career.This is one to cherish, folks.You like it too? There is hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyerwin 0 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Does anyone else hear similarities between Rey's theme starting at (0:14) and Disney's Beauty and the Beast Prologue? That was the first thing that popped in my head. https://youtu.be/jCPZ_BLe6hE?t=8s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 As someone even more tempered than KK, in the sense that I didn't even want John Williams to score this...I think this score is in the realm of ESB and SW. The only major criticism I have is that it tilts firmly towards action on album, and...well..also in film. Not as many quiet moments as ESB and SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Man, I seriously don't get all the "worst Star Wars score" talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Going by my first listen, I'd say that while this might be the worst Star Wars score, it is a beautiful score nevertheless and easily my favourite from this year. It has a lovely sense of finality to it, not only looking back to past Star Wars scores but Williams's career as a whole. Note the callbacks to those neo-baroque fugues from the mid 70s, the flute and celeste textures of The Jedi Steps recalling Ben Gardner's Boat, or the suspensions, anticipations and appoggiaturaas in The Starkiller drawing to mind Elliot mourning E.T's "death", Arlington and other threnodies throughout Williams's career.This is one to cherish, folks.Are there any classic polychords (I am not listening till I see the film)? Boom-tzz? I think this score is in the realm of ESB and SW. The only major criticism I have is that it tilts firmly towards action on album, and...well..also in film. Not as many quiet moments as ESB and SW.That's high praise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Man, I seriously don't get all the "worst Star Wars score" talk. �Especially since we haven't actually heard the full score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 that's why I haven;t said anything yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Man, I seriously don't get all the "worst Star Wars score" talk. �Especially since we haven't actually heard the full score.Right!! We KNOW there's so much music we haven't heard. And honestly, as an album, it's got to be one of JW's best. It's a killer listening experience. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Man, I seriously don't get all the "worst Star Wars score" talk. � Especially since we haven't actually heard the full score. I'm only judging by what I've heard so far, but I'll say it doesn't it hits the peaks that the prequel OSTs did. Going by my first listen, I'd say that while this might be the worst Star Wars score, it is a beautiful score nevertheless and easily my favourite from this year. It has a lovely sense of finality to it, not only looking back to past Star Wars scores but Williams's career as a whole. Note the callbacks to those neo-baroque fugues from the mid 70s, the flute and celeste textures of The Jedi Steps recalling Ben Gardner's Boat, or the suspensions, anticipations and appoggiaturaas in The Starkiller drawing to mind Elliot mourning E.T's "death", Arlington and other threnodies throughout Williams's career. This is one to cherish, folks. Are there any classic polychords (I am not listening till I see the film)? Boom-tzz? Plenty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Some quick thoughts:- I fucking adore the sound of this thing. To me, they nailed that Star Wars sound. Nice dry recording with epic-sounding brass that the LSO prequel recordings lacked. The L.A. orchestra was in Temple of Doom mode. I'm sorry, but this sounds better than the LSO prequel recordings for whatever reason.- Rey's Theme is wonderful. God yes.- On album at least, it was a shame that the First Order seems to be represented by random militaristic Williams music, with no thematic focus. There is Kylo Ren's theme, but it's pretty rare. It might be different in the complete score.- The direct quote of ESB score in Han and Leia was disappointing.- Luke's Home Alone Theme at the end of the credits rubbed me the wrong way.- It seems like a surprising amount of music in the promotional material actually was Williams, or at least based on his music.- March of the Resistance = Black Sunday. This music seemed like it would be a bit silly in the film, to be honest. Not sure how I feel about it. It's fun to listen to here.- This feels like old-school Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The Snoke track is really really cool.But this is a bit of a disarming score. It's not what I expected, at all. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The Snoke track is really really cool.But this is a bit of a disarming score. It's not what I expected, at all. And I'm not saying that's a bad thingThat's kind of how I feel. I feel simultaneously excited and let down by it's unexpectedness. It's a very bizarre feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 You know what? Rey's Theme is really versatile. Compare it in the tracks The Scavenger, Rey's Theme, and Finale. Very different in each spot. The mark of a great them. Then look at the other themes. Supposedly Ren, Finn, Poe, and Snoke all have themes? I couldn't hum any of them right now if I tried, and I've heard the OST 4 times. Well hopefully seeing the film will fix that. Bespin and Jp1138 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Kylo Ren's is quite easy to hum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Going by my first listen, I'd say that while this might be the worst Star Wars score, it is a beautiful score nevertheless and easily my favourite from this year. It has a lovely sense of finality to it, not only looking back to past Star Wars scores but Williams's career as a whole. Note the callbacks to those neo-baroque fugues from the mid 70s, the flute and celeste textures of The Jedi Steps recalling Ben Gardner's Boat, or the suspensions, anticipations and appoggiaturaas in The Starkiller drawing to mind Elliot mourning E.T's "death", Arlington and other threnodies throughout Williams's career.This is one to cherish, folks.The beginning of The Falcon sounds straight out of Close Encounters.I would rank this OST above Attack of the Clones easily. Hell, even Revenge of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'd not have a hard time putting it above AOTC and ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Let's judge it strictly as an OST presentation. This is a very good album. It's pretty well-rounded compared to the others, it all flows and there would seem to be a ton of massive highlights. It kept me entertained for the entire 78 minutes. I can't say the same for Clones and Sith. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Well as an OST it seems pretty good as far as Williams scores goThe c.d. is filled to the max, there's no repeated tracks and no apparent microedits, and the dreaded cellar song is not on itI just have to see the film so hear any missing highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 It feels like it's just missing that one strong new setpiece theme, that the previous 5 films all had (Imperial March, Ewoks/Palpatine, Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars, Battle of the Heroes). I also think what may distinguish modern Williams from classic is perhaps a reluctance to borrow wholesale from classical music (Prokofiev, Holst, etc). He is now writing based on a long experienced career, rather than pastiche based on other styles and composers. (Perhaps the film was spotted with existing Star Wars music?) Either way, I think generally speaking the writing is strong, but there is definitely one unifying idea missing here, which is not the end of the world. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 For me, Williams has redeemed himself after KOTCS, Tintin and The Book Thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Well as an OST it seems pretty good as far as Williams scores goThe c.d. is filled to the max, there's no repeated tracks and no apparent microedits, and the dreaded cellar song is not on itI just have to see the film so hear any missing highlightsAnd I will listen to the album when it arrives and not find the film material on it.Same situation. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Certainly Rey's theme and The March of the Resistance have more presence in this score than Battle of the Heroes in ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Psycho Pianist 216 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Only listened to a few tracks so far, but the performance is excellent and the recording very nicely mixed. Definitely has that "Hollywood" sound, fairly dry in the mix but everything is very transparent. I shan't comment on the music yet, at least not until I've reached at least halfway, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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