JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 No one knows yet, huh? Well, I honestly think that the chants were recorded by choir. They sound too real to be done by sound effects. I just wanted to know if there was any information to confirm that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 They could be recordings of real humans, but that doesn't mean that the music team of the film was involved, nor even that LA union choir singers were used TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I mean, they could be choral sweeteners. I honestly thought that the shrieks in The Intersection Scene from War of the Worlds were sound effects until I watched the featurette on the score and John Williams specifically mentioned those moments having been done by choir (thanks to the remastered and expanded release, those instances are finally available). It is certainly plausible, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 You're talking about the chanting of the sith dudes in robes in the stadium stands right? Since that's mean to be sound coming from characters on screen, that makes it even more likely it's the sound effects guys and not Williams' team that recorded that audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Yes. I’m not exactly sure; just because it is coming from characters on screen does not necessarily mean it is done by the sound effects team, though that is another possibility. Look at Indians Jones and the Temple of Doom; the chanting and drum beats came from characters on screen, yet that was composed and conducted by John Williams with choir and percussion in perfect sync with the film. Either way, it is certainly interesting how the line between score and sound can be blurred. A compliment to all involved, I must say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Yeah, but with TFA and TROS a lot of the source stuff was handled by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,246 Posted November 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: You're talking about the chanting of the sith dudes in robes in the stadium stands right? Since that's mean to be sound coming from characters on screen, that makes it even more likely it's the sound effects guys and not Williams' team that recorded that audio This article indicates the chanting was created by the sound effects team: Quote One Easter egg they did acknowledge is that the sound of the chants of Sith cultists during the Exegol scenes include the Sanskrit words “Revenge. Soul. Kill.” Wood says Sam Witwer, best known for voicing Darth Maul in The Clone Wars, Rebels, and Solo A Star Wars Story, came up with the phrase. https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2020/02/creating-the-oscar-nominated-sounds-of-the-rise-of-skywalker.html Jay, Brando, Falstaft and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Makes sense that Sam was involved, since he is friends with David Collins, who does the Soundtrack Show (and is a big Williams fan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 I felt like sharing this for anyone interested: The Speeder Chase (Extended Version). Enjoy! Obi, DrTenma, Falstaft and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tee_oh 20 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Awesome, Thanks @JohnnyD! was this completed using mockups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 A combination of the album track, the film and mock-up. It blends together perfectly, right? For now, until the score is given the expanded and definitive treatment it deserves (as does the other eight scores and all of the Maestro's work) let's just pretend this is the complete recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tee_oh 20 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Yeah, it flows amazingly well! This is definitely going into my ROS edit. How did you know how to arrange the separate parts? Has the sheet music for this cue been released/leaked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,246 Posted November 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 9/17/2020 at 12:50 AM, carlborg said: 0M1 Children's School [3/27/19] 1M3 Nothing is Impossible [3/27/19] 1M4 Thru the Jungle [3/27/19] 1M5 Rey Trains [3/30/19] 1M6 Ren's Entrance [3/30/19] 1M8 Approaching the Nursery [4/10/19] 2M1 Cockpit Dialogue 2M2 Fixing the Helmet 3M1 Before the Chase [3/27/19] 3M3 [3/22/19] 3M4 Quicksand! [3/27/19] @tee_oh There's been a very limited leak of the sheet music, just the 11 cues shown above, probably barely 5% of the score, but it does include The Speeder Chase. That track consists of 3M1 and 3M3, except for the last few seconds of the album version. We're unsure if that ending is a revision, insert, ending recorded specifically for the album, or even sourced from somewhere else entirely. We also don't know yet if the OST track is micro-edited from the version in the sheet music, or if it was revised prior to recording. CGCJ, crlbrg and tee_oh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 46 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: @tee_oh We also don't know yet if the OST track is micro-edited from the version in the sheet music, or if it was revised prior to recording. Do the edit points in the OST track correlate with where the microedited music belongs? Of course, it's not easy to differentiate performance edits from microedits, but we can healthily speculate The gaps along that 44kHz frequency line are interesting too (possibly indicating different sections of the cue recorded on different days?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tee_oh 20 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Cool, thanks for the details @BrotherSound! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pando 143 Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 2:14 PM, JohnnyD said: I felt like sharing this for anyone interested: The Speeder Chase (Extended Version). Enjoy! 11 The Speeder Chase.m4a 10.28 MB · 23 downloads Parts in that sound clip were taken from a full mockup I made (below). The original composition had even more measures that were edited out from the OST, but were actually present in the movie (listen to 0:10 and 0:16 mark). The mockup consists of all measures, and it's without the concert ending, which really doesn't belong there. Holko, CGCJ and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 @Pando you should make some prequel/OT mockups of some of the un-recorded material using those incredible samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Pando said: Parts in that sound clip were taken from a full mockup I made (below). The original composition had even more measures that were edited out from the OST, but were actually present in the movie (listen to 0:10 and 0:16 mark). The mockup consists of all measures, and it's without the concert ending, which really doesn't belong there. In all honesty, it was a while since I edited the track together that I had forgotten where the mock-up sections came from. I give credit where credit is due. Listening to the cue in film and on the album and comparing to your mock-up, it is pretty spot on. Anyway, from there, I tried to bring all parts of the cue together into a full track. It was not easy, especially bringing all edit and sync points together. The concert ending was added simply because it is part of the track itself; it gives the cue a definitive ending. I wonder what the next cue, Quicksand, sounds like. Would you be able to show us via mock-up? I'm very curious. Pando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,246 Posted November 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 hours ago, JohnnyD said: I wonder what the next cue, Quicksand, sounds like. Would you be able to show us via mock-up? I'm very curious. You’ve actually already heard a tiny bit (not that it’s a very long cue, just 30 seconds or so). The film/FYC version of The Old Death Star tracks a bit of 3M4 Quicksand from 1:16-1:23, those two atmospheric chords: CGCJ, Manakin Skywalker and Pando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Holy crap... Interesting. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 For anyone who downloaded the track I recently shared, please delete it. This is what I meant to share. Here it is: The Speeder Chase (Extended Version). Enjoy! 11 The Speeder Chase.m4a Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando 143 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just nitpicking, but you're still missing a measure at 2:15 and 3:15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Pando said: Just nitpicking, but you're still missing a measure at 2:15 and 3:15. Those two are VERY micro; hardly a need to re-edit a third time just for that. On top of that, it was hard enough restoring every micro-edited measure and section back in seamlessly. The track I just shared is the finished version until the entire score is officially released (along with the other eight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Edit: never mind Can we not delete our posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Nope, never been a feature of this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,246 Posted February 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 So, I’ve found some additional information that may help solve some of the mysteries about some of the unknown TROS cues. For TFA and TLJ, the cues in the GEMA Repertoire database show in the order they first appear in the film, including instances of tracking, but TROS just had all its cues listed alphabetically. (There’s a few exceptions or omissions, but it’s fairly accurate.) However, I noticed there are publisher codes on each GEMA entry, and the ordering they produce generally matches the ordering of the cues we already know about, so it should help fill in some blanks about some of the unknown cues: AMH743: Rey’s Incredible Hand AMH783: Ready To Be A Jedi AMH784: Kylo’s Theme AMH785: Vader’s Castle AMH786: Rey’s Trip to P AMH787: The Ninth Beginning AMH788: Chewie's Interrogation AMH789: Approaching the Nursery AMH790: Uncharted Territory AMH791: Hard to Get Rid Of AMH792: Psalm of the Sith AMH793: Stop and Start AMH794: On Their Knees AMH795: Lightspeed Skipping AMH856: The Resistance Theme AMH857: Rey Wakes Up AMH858: Rey’s Training AMH859: The Wisdom of Maz AMH860: Meditation AMH861: Rey’s Mission AMH862: The Medal AMH863: The Forge AMH864: Fixing the Helmet AMH865: Ship Trip AMH866: Children's School AMH867: Cockpit Dialog AMH890: Lando AMH891: Ochi and the Dagger AMH892: Before the Chase AMH893: Ren’s Entrance AMH894: Falcon's Last Trip AMH895: Through the Jungle AMH896: Tunnel Monster AMH897: Rey Sees Mother AMH898: Rey Meets Luke AMH899: Knights of Ren AMH900: Rey Senses Ren’s Approach AMH901: More Maz AMH902: Daisy in a Veil AMH945: Ship Walk and Talk AMH946: To The End AMH947: Good Ship, Bad Ship AMH948: The Emperor Lives AMH949: Tell Me What They Are AMH950: Zucini? AMH951: Red Eyes AMH952: Hallway Shooting AMH953: He Won't Remember AMH954: Poe and Girlfriend AMH955: The Feeling AMH956: Meddling and Poe’s Crush AMH957: Dropping the Sabre AMH972: Ben to Rey AMH973: I'm The Spy AMH974: Genealogy AMH975: Seven Twelve AMH976: Emperor's Theme v3 AMH977: Landing At ? AMH978: It Fits! AMH979: Seven One AMH980: Poe’s Theme AMH981: Off The Waterfront AMH982: Rey Climbs Pipes AMH983: Climbing AMH984: Filial Fencing AMH991: Leia Lies Down AMH992: Healing Wounds AMH993: Under a Blanket AMH994: Father Knows Best AMH995: Six Twelve AMH996: Sabre Toss AMH997: Luke’s Advice AMH998: Leia’s Sabre AMH999: Wayfinder Insert AMI001: The Meeting AMI002: Spy’s Message AMI003: Horses #2 AMI004: Approaching the Throne AMI008: More Action AMI009: Parents AMI010: Make The Sacrifice AMI011: The Crowd Joins In AMI012: The Last Fight AMI013: Hero Fight AMI014: Big Ship Blows Up AMI015: Emperor's Attack AMI016: The Dunkirk Shot AMI017: I Am All The Sith AMI018: Name That Tune AMI019: Success and Sliding AMI020: Rey and Ren AMI022: Bows AMI023: Horn Solo AMI025: The Millennium Falcon Theme AMI026: Lido Hey [Abrams/Miranda] AMI029: Oma’s Place [Abrams/Miranda] AMI061: [untitled Williams] AMI062: [untitled Abrams/Miranda] AMI063: [untitled Abrams/Martinez] AMI066: [untitled Williams] ANN275: Fanfare and Prologue ANN824: Journey to Exegol ANO038: The Old Death Star ANO859: The Final Saber Duel ANP103: Destiny of a Jedi ANP153: Fleeing From Kijimi ANP838: We Go Together ANQ149: Battle of the Resistance AOB602: The Force Is With You AOB605: Reunion AOB609: Finale AOB613: The Rise of Skywalker AOB615: The Speeder Chase AOB620: Anthem of Evil AOD795: Join Me AOD802: They Will Come AOD820: Approaching the Throne AOD857: Farewell AOD892: A New Home dylanskie, Falstaft, Holko and 7 others 5 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Amazing find @BrotherSound! This will really help piece together things. So the music following the tracked excerpt of TFA's Starry Night (for the establishing shot of Mustafar) probably belongs to Rey's Incredible Hand. What an absolute mess of a film. This also seems to confirm the badass Knights of Ren statement for the exterior of the Sith Temple was indeed from The Ninth Beginning, lending credence to my theory that the November cut of the film opened directly on Exogol (omitting the entire Mustafar sequence, which was instead trimmed down to the bare essentials by December). BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, BrotherSound said: The Millennium Falcon Theme Well there you go BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,246 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: So the music following the tracked excerpt of TFA's Starry Night (for the establishing shot of Mustafar) probably belongs to Rey's Incredible Hand. What an absolute mess of a film. Bizarre, isn’t it? Guess it’s just that brief suspense bit prior to the entrance of the Kylo theme. Looks like this confirms a couple other things about the opening we suspected: the big Imperial March statement is indeed from 1M15 Vader’s Castle (and presumably the music afterwards), and the film’s Journey to Exegol music is tracked from 6M13 Rey’s Trip to P[alpatine?]. I wonder what ‘Ready To Be A Jedi’ is, though? That cue title certainly doesn’t make any sense here, so are we dealing with yet more tracked music? Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 6 hours ago, BrotherSound said: I wonder what ‘Ready To Be A Jedi’ is, though? That cue title certainly doesn’t make any sense here, so are we dealing with yet more tracked music? Listen to the first 8 seconds of FYC Track 1. I think this is actually two cues faded over one another! The tense strings have been taken from Rey's Incredible Hand, while another cue (Ready To Be A Jedi) fades in over the course of that opening 7 seconds, creating the dissonance. If you're familiar with music editing, the gradual volume increase on that secondary cue is very audible. You can hear which part has been taken from Rey's Incredible Hand (which JW repurposed from his alternate Torn Apart, hinting at the temp track used for this scene) here: I can only assume this was a crazy late change to the film, and probably explains why Starry Night was lazily tracked after 1M1. CGCJ and BrotherSound 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted February 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 This is fantastic, @BrotherSound. Lots to chew on... Funny how, for each of the main trio characters in the ST, there's a cue about them awakening at some point: TLJ 1M2: "Finn Wakes Up" TLJ 7M61: "Poe Wakes Up" TROS 1M9: "Rey Wakes Up" Jay, BrotherSound, Smeltington and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Jay said: Well there you go Unreleased concert suite? Or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,246 Posted February 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 9 hours ago, TownerFan said: Unreleased concert suite? Or something else? I'm not sure about the technicalities, but there's a few listings like this in the GEMA Repertoire database for TROS that seem to be there to account for reused themes from previous episodes rather than actual film cues. There's also 'Kylo's Theme', 'The Resistance Theme', and 'Poe's Theme'. So, I noticed some missing known cue titles, but they all have something in common: Main Title The Resistance Theme [actual TROS cue, not the TFA concert arrangement] Return to Tatooine End Credits They're all identical to previously registered John Williams titles, which I guess the GEMA database must prevent. That would also explain why 'Climbing the Mountain' (a.k.a. The Jedi Steps) is noticeably absent from the Force Awakens cues that show up here, since there's a Close Encounters cue with that exact title. And 'Return to Tatooine' is also the name of an Attack of the Clones OST track. So, here's an updated list of just the film cues, removing what seems to be entries strictly for the reuse of themes ('The Resistance Theme', etc.), with those missing entries added in: Quote [Main Title] Rey’s Incredible Hand Ready To Be A Jedi Vader’s Castle Rey’s Trip to P The Ninth Beginning Chewie's Interrogation Approaching the Nursery Uncharted Territory Hard to Get Rid Of Psalm of the Sith Stop and Start On Their Knees Lightspeed Skipping Rey Wakes Up Rey’s Training The Wisdom of Maz Meditation Rey’s Mission The Medal The Forge Fixing the Helmet Ship Trip Children's School Cockpit Dialog Lando Ochi and the Dagger Before the Chase Ren’s Entrance Falcon's Last Trip [3M3 No Title] Through the Jungle Tunnel Monster Rey Sees Mother Rey Meets Luke Knights of Ren Rey Senses Ren’s Approach More Maz Daisy in a Veil Ship Walk and Talk To The End Good Ship, Bad Ship The Emperor Lives Tell Me What They Are Zucini? Red Eyes Hallway Shooting He Won't Remember Poe and Girlfriend The Feeling Meddling and Poe’s Crush Dropping the Sabre Ben to Rey I'm The Spy Genealogy Seven Twelve Emperor's Theme v3 Landing At ? It Fits! Seven One Off The Waterfront Rey Climbs Pipes Climbing Filial Fencing Leia Lies Down Healing Wounds Under a Blanket Father Knows Best Six Twelve Sabre Toss Luke’s Advice Leia’s Sabre Wayfinder Insert The Meeting [7M5 March of the Resistance] Spy’s Message Horses #2 Approaching the Throne More Action Parents Make The Sacrifice The Crowd Joins In The Last Fight Hero Fight Big Ship Blows Up Emperor's Attack The Dunkirk Shot I Am All The Sith Name That Tune Success and Sliding Rey and Ren Bows [Return to Tatooine] Horn Solo [End Credits] TownerFan, CGCJ, Falstaft and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2021 4 hours ago, TownerFan said: Unreleased concert suite? Or something else? I think it proves that in Williams' head now at this point, the theme we think of as "The Rebel Fanfare" he thinks of as "The Millennium Falcon Theme" TownerFan, BrotherSound, Falstaft and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 18 hours ago, BrotherSound said: So, I’ve found some additional information that may help solve some of the mysteries about some of the unknown TROS cues. For TFA and TLJ, the cues in the GEMA Repertoire database show in the order they first appear in the film, including instances of tracking, but TROS just had all its cues listed alphabetically. (There’s a few exceptions or omissions, but it’s fairly accurate.) However, I noticed there are publisher codes on each GEMA entry, and the ordering they produce generally matches the ordering of the cues we already know about, so it should help fill in some blanks about some of the unknown cues: This is fantastic, this is a great discovery you made! I have some questions, hopefully you are willing to help me out When I click on your link and type "Rise of Skywalker" into the search box I get 21 pages of results Now if I click on the third one there, "Approaching The Nursey", on the resulting popup I can see the "AMH789" number you put in your list above So my first question is, is this how you generated the list above, clicking open every cue one at a time and copy/pasting the Publisher Work Codes #, then sorting by that when you were done? Or is there a way to "export" my results set and not have to manually click open everything? Now if I click the 4th result, "Approaching The Throne (Film Version)" it has two different codes inside Why the two codes? Is this maybe for cues used in the film more than once? Or something else? Or still a mystery? Finally, does this trick work for other scores? Could we use it to figure out what's what in, say, JFK, Geisha, Lincoln, BFG and Tintin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,246 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jay said: So my first question is, is this how you generated the list above, clicking open every cue one at a time and copy/pasting the Publisher Work Codes #, then sorting by that when you were done? Or is there a way to "export" my results set and not have to manually click open everything? Yeah, I just manually exported and sorted the codes. Haven't checked out any other films yet. 10 minutes ago, Jay said: Why the two codes? Is this maybe for cues used in the film more than once? Or something else? Or still a mystery? 'Approaching the Throne' is the only entry with two codes. I hadn't noticed before, but this is actually the only OST track that shares a title with a film cue, so I bet it has something to do with that, which seems to be borne out by the double 'Approaching the Throne' and 'Approaching the Throne (Film Use)' titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Just now, BrotherSound said: Yeah, I just manually exported and sorted the codes. Haven't checked out any other films yet. Sorry, what does this mean? "manually exported"? What did you do exactly, I don't understand Just now, BrotherSound said: 'Approaching the Throne' is the only entry with two codes. I hadn't noticed before, but this is actually the only OST track that shares a title with a film cue, so I bet it has something to do with that, which seems to be borne out by the double 'Approaching the Throne' and 'Approaching the Throne (Film Use)' titles. Ahhh, that explains it! So the AMI code is for its film placement, and every OST title is probably in those results with an AOD code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,246 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Sorry, what does this mean? "manually exported"? What did you do exactly, I don't understand Nothing too fancy: I just copy-pasted each cue title and its code into a document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 Right OK, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some way that would save us a ton of time from doing that. I thought one of these similar sites had a way to downloaded your result set as a file but it looks like this one doesn't BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 FWIW I ran through the list alongside the film last night up to Chewy's "death" scene, and this list does appear to be chronological. I found a couple of curiosities. It's hard to tell where The Wisdom of Maz ends and Meditation starts (this is the Leia/Rey dialogue scene after the training course). It also appears the entire cue where Poe reveals Palpatine's return is simply 2M30 Rey's Mission (I think we've speculated that 2M04 The Emperor Lives belonged here, likely another early alternate that JW totally rewrote). Secondly, there's no listing for Speeder Chase anywhere (although mostly replaced, fragments did still appear in the film). Was that entire cue actually comprised in Before the Chase, @BrotherSound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 The speeder chase cue is 3M03 No Title so maybe it doesn't show up on the site because "No Title" has been used before, like those other examples he mentioned? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jay said: The speeder chase cue is 3M03 No Title so maybe it doesn't show up on the site because "No Title" has been used before, like those other examples he mentioned? That would explain it indeed. Good catch Jay! I found it became harder to follow the film and list the further it went along, because secondary usage of a cue isn't noted (making it difficult to pinpoint where fragments of music come from, later in the film). BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Yea I was hoping cues that are used more than once in the film would have multiple codes - one for each instance - but I guess that isn't the case BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozer 25 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 20 hours ago, crumbs said: Amazing find @BrotherSound! This will really help piece together things. So the music following the tracked excerpt of TFA's Starry Night (for the establishing shot of Mustafar) probably belongs to Rey's Incredible Hand. What an absolute mess of a film. This also seems to confirm the badass Knights of Ren statement for the exterior of the Sith Temple was indeed from The Ninth Beginning, lending credence to my theory that the November cut of the film opened directly on Exogol (omitting the entire Mustafar sequence, which was instead trimmed down to the bare essentials by December). A leak from October 2019 did have the movie opening on Exegol. I wouldn't be surprised if that lasted at least until the November cut. Quote The film now apparently begins with a shot of a control tower rising from the ground of the planet. The control tower begins transmitting a signal, some rumbling below the surface of the planet begins and then the Star Destroyers of the Sith Fleet break through the dark, rocky surface of the planet and rise into the air. Apparently this change was made to establish the fleet as a threat from the very beginning as well as coordinate with changes made to the back half of the film during reshoots. crumbs and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, Oozer said: A leak from October 2019 did have the movie opening on Exegol. I wouldn't be surprised if that lasted at least until the November cut. Well that's confirmation enough for me. So the Mustafar sequence was indeed deleted before being reinstated in the dying weeks of post. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,246 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: The speeder chase cue is 3M03 No Title so maybe it doesn't show up on the site because "No Title" has been used before, like those other examples he mentioned? Yeah, that could be the issue: TLJ had several 'No Title' cues registered as things like 'No Title 1M2A', but TFA had a just plain 'No Title' already. 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Was that entire cue actually comprised in Before the Chase, @BrotherSound? Despite all the ridiculous microediting and tracking, there's definitely still a fair amount of the untitled 3M3 in the speeder scene. 3M1 Before the Chase is quite brief. 17 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well that's confirmation enough for me. So the Mustafar sequence was indeed deleted before being reinstated in the dying weeks of post. And I'm almost positive the OST 'Fanfare and Prologue' matches an earlier cut (sometime prior to the November 11th version) where Mustafar had already been entirely cut, but the initial appearance of the Exegol fleet had not yet been moved up to the Kylo/Emperor scene. In some of the early leaks, the appearance of the Sith fleet did not happen until much later into the movie, either just before the destruction of Kijimi, or possibly not even until the final confrontation with the Emperor. crumbs and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, BrotherSound said: In some of the early leaks, the appearance of the Sith fleet did not happen until much later into the movie, either just before the destruction of Kijimi, or possibly not even until the final confrontation with the Emperor. It's hilariously baffling that it was moved concurrent to Kylo's first meeting with the Emperor. So those ships just floated around Exogol's atmosphere for the entire film doing... nothing? Oh, until our heroes turn up to destroy them, then suddenly it's a good time to leave Exogol. Oh, except for those Final Order ships that... somehow... already departed the atmosphere of Exogol and travelled far enough to destroy Kijimi. Was it just that one? Or others? Are the ones being destroyed across the galaxy Final Order or First Order ships? If the entire Resistance travelled to Exogol to destroy the Final Order, what army was destroying all the thousands of First Order ships? It's just... so incredibly stupid. Holko and BrotherSound 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,441 Posted February 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, crumbs said: Was it just that one? Or others? Are the ones being destroyed across the galaxy Final Order or First Order ships? You get to decide! This is JJ's secret genius. BrotherSound, crumbs and Manakin Skywalker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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