Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Ordered. BryonDavis and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Christ this thing is a mess. No wonder Goldsmith arranged his album to reflect mostly only his own material. Some short bursts of previously unreleased Goldsmith material are nice to finally hear though. But then there are some itty bitties that I always thought were Goldsmith but turns out it was either Debney or someone named Cameron Patrick. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,613 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 So here's the thing about that, too -- for Disc 1 the program Bruce Botnick opted to go with was the score as it exists in the film (with the exception of Area 52 which features an alternate synth "theremin" performance instead of the vocal "theremin" by Sally Stevens which was in the film and on the original album, thankfully preserved on Disc 2). That means that some original Goldsmith cues are left out on Disc 1, including the very first score cue, "What's Up?" -- Disc 2 contains Goldsmith's original version (which was also on the original album), which introduces the main theme of the score and I think is stronger for it. Also in the Disc 2 alternates section are two cues Jerry wrote for Roadrunner/Coyote sequences later in the film, which were replaced by Cameron Patrick cues which are on Disc 1. Frankly the score plays/flows/develops much better if one swaps in the Goldsmith original cues from Disc 2 into the main album program. It's an easy fix with iTunes, thankfully... Yavar Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I find the back cover a nightmare to read with all its asterisked attributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,613 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, The Big Man said: I find the back cover a nightmare to read with all its asterisked attributions. Fair enough, although obviously those other composers deserve credit. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Really, apart from the handful of well-flowing longer cues - solely attributable to Goldsmith - there's just nothing to see/hear here. Sometimes, less is indeed more. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Fair enough, although obviously those other composers deserve credit. Yavar I get that, but maybe the back cover was the wrong place for the tracklisting and attributions in this special case. A few pages in the booklet with bigger text and attributions broken up with paragraphed spaces might have worked better. I've seen Varese do this before on less likely releases like Cleopatra. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 124 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 4:46 AM, Yavar Moradi said: So here's the thing about that, too -- for Disc 1 the program Bruce Botnick opted to go with was the score as it exists in the film (with the exception of Area 52 which features an alternate synth "theremin" performance instead of the vocal "theremin" by Sally Stevens which was in the film and on the original album, thankfully preserved on Disc 2). That means that some original Goldsmith cues are left out on Disc 1, including the very first score cue, "What's Up?" -- Disc 2 contains Goldsmith's original version (which was also on the original album), which introduces the main theme of the score and I think is stronger for it. Also in the Disc 2 alternates section are two cues Jerry wrote for Roadrunner/Coyote sequences later in the film, which were replaced by Cameron Patrick cues which are on Disc 1. Frankly the score plays/flows/develops much better if one swaps in the Goldsmith original cues from Disc 2 into the main album program. It's an easy fix with iTunes, thankfully... Yavar Hi Yavar, I was wondering if you had a playlist for creating the score as originally intended? This just arrived in the post with 'Along Came a Spider' and I have to admit I'm going a bit crosseyed trying to figure it all out from the back cover... This is what i've come up with: -'What's Up?', replace disc 1 track 2 with disc 2 track 1 -Replace disc 1 track 6 with disc 2 tracks 4-7 -Replace disc 1 track 18 with disc 2 tracks 10-12 -"The Launch", replace disc 1 track 19 with disc 2 track 13 Any help most appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 124 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I've tried the above out and it doesn't work as all of the alternates feature slate numbers and stage chatter. I'm really not a fan of presenting alternates this way as it robs you of the ability to listen to them on purely musical terms. I do like this kind of thing when presented separately (as in the recent 'Along Came a Spider') or when used for context (the take numbers on the 1997 RCA Victor 'Star Wars' main title archive) but I much prefer alternate music to be presented clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Intrada really likes making odd choices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,613 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 hours ago, John Chambers said: I've tried the above out and it doesn't work as all of the alternates feature slate numbers and stage chatter. I'm really not a fan of presenting alternates this way as it robs you of the ability to listen to them on purely musical terms. I do like this kind of thing when presented separately (as in the recent 'Along Came a Spider') or when used for context (the take numbers on the 1997 RCA Victor 'Star Wars' main title archive) but I much prefer alternate music to be presented clean. What’s Up and Area 52 you can and should just swap in from the original album program on Disc 2, IMO. Technically, it is a different mix, but personally I don’t really notice that. The only other option is to trim off the chatter. I guess for the two Roadrunner/Coyote cues Jerry wrote (only in the bonus section of Disc 2) that’s the only option. It’s not my preferred presentation or order of cues but this was Bruce Botnick’s baby and his call. I’m not going to argue with the man but I’m thankful that between the two discs it’s possible to make a more satisfying presentation, even though I’ve been too busy to exactly figure out all of it as of yet. Yavar Once and 12-Mile Reef 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 15 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: Intrada really likes making odd choices... This is a Varese title. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: This is a Varese title. Oops. My apologies then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Available digitally: Yavar Moradi and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Is this an essential purchase? I've sampled this album and it just seems to scattered and unfocused. The original album was a pretty great half an hour listening experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,117 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I doubt it's essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,436 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Well if you don't own the original it's definitly an essential but if you already have it I will say that it depends of your affinity with the score. If you don't fancy it more that this well I'm not sure it's bring more than the OST but if you're crazy about it well that's a very welcomed different listenning experience. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Is that weird digital clipping on every copy or just on mine (just one or two seconds into the first track)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,436 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Is that weird digital clipping on every copy or just on mine (just one or two seconds into the first track)? I don't notice anything weird personnaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 7:00 PM, Jay said: 1. What’s Up? (1:29) 2. Another Take, #9 (:53) 3. Trumpet Wa-Wa (:07) 4. The Shimmy (:12) 5. Out Of The Bag (1:17) 6. The Car, Part 1 (:15) 7. The Car, Part 2 (:12) 8. Psycho (:37) 9. Car Trouble (3:22) 10. Wrong Turn, Part 1 (1:14) 11. Wrong Turn, Part 2 (:25) 12. Wrong Turn, Part 3 (1:08) 13. The Launch (:30) 14. The Blue Danube / The Barber of Seville / Can Can ## (:36) 15 Vivaldi Concerto # (:15) 16. The Hook (:29) 17. Pressed Duck (3:39) 18. Merry-Go-Round Broke Down (That’s All Folks!) § (:23) So can someone explain me, what exactly these bonus tracks are? What's alternate and what's just outtakes? @Yavar Moradi, I'm sure you know more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,117 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 What difference does it make? It's still the same music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I dragged myself through it on Spotify and the only thing i noticed was a fake vocalise on the Area 52-stuff. The album version is better. As for the other archival stuff, i don't mind it, but there should be really something more worthwile to do with your time than to wade through all these more or less identical versions. Gremlins 2 it ain't (which is, in retrospect, a monumentally cool score that would be all but impossible today). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I love how much Gremlins 2 love there is on this board for both the score and film. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,505 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Yep, great score (and movie). Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,225 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 The film is one of the best sequels because it realised that the only way to beat the original at what is essentially the same story was to take it absurdly (but deliberately) over the top. The score may be top 10 Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, Marian Schedenig said: The film is one of the best sequels because it realised that the only way to beat the original at what is essentially the same story was to take it absurdly (but deliberately) over the top. The score may be top 10 Goldsmith. Agreed about the film. I love when sequels aren't trying to re-invent the wheel. I don't know about the score being top ten, though I love it. The original Gremlins is top 10, maybe even top 5. It was also the first Goldsmith score I noticed as a child so there is a nostalgia-based bias here. The Goldsmith Rag may still be my favorite cue of his. It just... takes me there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,225 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 53 minutes ago, blondheim said: Agreed about the film. I love when sequels aren't trying to re-invent the wheel. Well, it does re-invent it. But unlike most sequels, it actually re-*invents* it. Like BTTF2 does, too. 53 minutes ago, blondheim said: I don't know about the score being top ten, though I love it. The original Gremlins is top 10, maybe even top 5. G2 ranks higher for me. The original score has some great stuff, including the wonderful Late for Work, but G2 has Pot Luck (one of my top Goldsmith tracks, period) and a far superior (less goofy) version of the rag. 53 minutes ago, blondheim said: It was also the first Goldsmith score I noticed as a child so there is a nostalgia-based bias here. The Goldsmith Rag may still be my favorite cue of his. It just... takes me there. There were three films that I recorded the end credits off from my VHS tapes on to cassette tapes as a kid: The Lord of the Rings (the Rosenman, obviously), Ghostbusters (though that was the song), and Gremlins 2. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Well, it does re-invent it. But unlike most sequels, it actually re-*invents* it. Like BTTF2 does, too. G2 ranks higher for me. The original score has some great stuff, including the wonderful Late for Work, but G2 has Pot Luck (one of my top Goldsmith tracks, period) and a far superior (less goofy) version of the rag. There were three films that I recorded the end credits off from my VHS tapes on to cassette tapes as a kid: The Lord of the Rings (the Rosenman, obviously), Ghostbusters (though that was the song), and Gremlins 2. When I said re-invent the wheel, I mean it as trying to do again that which was already simple and effective enough as is. I want them to invent, not re-invent which is what Goldsmith did with 2, invent new. I do not think the G2 rag is superior in any way, but hey to each their own. I find the original far less goofy myself. Weird and fascinating how music affects each of us so differently. For me, the original Gremlins theme has some of the most satisfying chord progressions of the entire 80s, up there with Cherry 2000. The chord shift in the third measure of each iteration will never cease to thrill. I also think the howling cat and zany sound effects are superior to the zany sound effects in the sequel, satisfying as they are. I watched Hook and Batman Returns most for the score as a kid. Actually wore the tapes out during Remembering Childhood and Selina Transforms. Also, watched the menus on the original Lord of the Rings DVD for snippets of score not yet released, among countless others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Is there any original content in the End Title Suite or is it all tracked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 On sale for $10 https://www.varesesarabande.com/collections/spring-cleaning-2022/products/looney-tunes-the-deluxe-edition-cd Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I would never have thought it based on the cover, but I dig this score. Yavar Moradi and Once 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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