Jay 37,364 Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 6 hours ago, AC1 said: Seems like Jay and Disco don't understand that we were merely responding to Bruce's claim that Mank's cinematography is meant to mimic CK. It's clear that, if this is indeed the case, we don't think Fincher did a good job, hence the nature of our reaction. It'd speculate that perhaps Disco Stu has Bruce on ignore, and never saw Bruce's post to begin with, only your responses to him - otherwise he would have mentioned him in his post instead of (or in addition to) you guys. Fabulin, bruce marshall and Disco Stu 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I have some issues with MANK's script (by Fincher sr.), but in addition to the great music, the stunning, gorgeous cinematography by Erik Messerschmidt is its greatest strength. That stroll through the zoo is jawdroppingly beautiful. But the whole thing - defined black tones, grainy light sources ebbing in and out, dancing pillars of smoke, expressive shadow plays in the faces. Such a great tribute to Gregg Toland-ian cinematography. So no, I don't understand what people are on about. bruce marshall and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 I didn't like the script or the cinematography in Mank. The acting was good though We watched The LIghthouse the day after we watched Mank and that did the retro B&W movie look much better TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Here is the part of the interview where he talks about not mimicking the look of Kane, he even mentions how Blade Runner did want to look like Kane. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Thor said: the stunning, gorgeous cinematography by Erik Messerschmidt is its greatest strength. That's what's so weird because it made it impossible for me to enjoy the movie. I was constantly baffled at the choices (especially the faces being dim or underlit), like there was indeed something wrong technically. But then there are the screenshots on the internet that do confirm that what I saw wasn't a Netflix malfunction. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Here is the part of the interview where he talks about not mimicking the look of Kane, he even mentions how Blade Runner did want to look like Kane. Does it mention Bruce? bruce marshall and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Hi... Bruce Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, AC1 said: That's what's so weird because it made it impossible for me to enjoy the movie. I was constantly baffled at the choices (especially the faces being dim or underlit), like there was indeed something wrong technically. But then there are the screenshots on the internet that do confirm that what I saw wasn't a Netflix malfunction. That's fine. I obviously totally disagree. I only wish there were less dialogue (and information-heavy dialogue at that) that got "in the way" of the great visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: I didn't like the script or the cinematography in Mank. The acting was good though We watched The LIghthouse the day after we watched Mank and that did the retro B&W movie look much better I almost watched that then I remembered folks here saying it sucked#! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I didn't care for THE LIGHTHOUSE at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Alex said: OK, so if Boseman wins it’s because of virtue-signalling Hollywood wokeness and if Hopkins wins it’s because he deserves it. Got it! No. We are making fun of Hollywood giving awards to actors who play people sick, dying or handicapped. Plus, the recent trend to bow to political pressure to honor " diversity". It has nothing to do with " deserves" and every thing to do with the idiocy of the awards process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Thor said: That's fine. I obviously totally disagree. No lighting is no lighting, Thor. BTW, anyone else tired of Bruce's overuse of the confused smiley? bruce marshall, Jurassic Shark and Unlucky Bastard 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 I didn't like The Lighthouse at all, I was only saying the look and style of the film was more like an old fashioned movie than Mank was (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Except he didnt Partially true. Shot in widescreen for one. But, it was made to look like a film PHOTOGRAPHED in the era and style of KANE. You can't deny That! 5 hours ago, Thor said: That's fine. I obviously totally disagree. I only wish there were less dialogue (and information-heavy dialogue at that) that got "in the way" of the great visuals. The dialogue INTENTIONALLY heavy on exposition. Geez. I thought folks here were movie fans and had some familiarity with older Hollywood films- certainly film noir. I guess not. That's cool and it explains the negative reactions. I remember when BODY HEAT came out and all the critics were praising it as a tribute to " film noir" I had no idea wtf they were talking about😅 15 minutes ago, AC1 said: No lighting is no lighting, Thor. BTW, anyone else tired of Bruce's overuse of the confused smiley? Well, start making sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,456 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 The Lighthouse was a bit disappointing to me as well. I was expecting a great and disturbing horror movie, but the film is very boring and just weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, AC1 said: No lighting is no lighting, Thor. BTW, anyone else tired of Bruce's overuse of the confused smiley? I don't understand what's ' wrong' with this! This argument is similar to the " sound quality" complaints of CDs. Some undefined standard of digital perfection is the only acceptable result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 You don't see how dull the lighting is? Also, there's a complete lack of highlights and just overall contrast in many of the shots, making the B&W tones washy and digital looking. And when something is actually lit, it often isn't the face of the actor (like when Mank is lying in bed). It's not the entire movie or every single shot but it was enough to pull me out of the movie. Maybe Fincher went too much out of his way NOT to copy Citizen Kane. ... Welles did lit the faces, even if only partially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I watched it on a sixty inch monitor that I personally reset the calibrations. It didn't look bad to me. Did you read where I said they were going for a ' day for night' look. That is what I think you are looking at. I assume you know what the term means. Lmk if you don't and I'll ' splain it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted April 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2021 Held a 2021 Oscar Nominees listening session in the Discord with @SteveMc and @Holko. Went with a nice little playlist featuring a few highlight tracks from each score, arranged so that each film had a little mini-suite of its own. Unfortunately, I didn't include anything from Soul because I've not heard it outside of the film, and don't have much interest in pursuing it. Here's how the rest of the nominees ranked among our group: Da 5 Bloods - Copland-esque militaristic music, touches of Blanchard's jazz background, and a hint of dark Williams Americana a la Nixon and such made this a top pick between the three of us. Minari - We all really like Mosseri's fresh and unique voice (heard a couple of Morricone influences too)! Really cool that he's (deservedly) received this kind of recognition so early in his film career, and we're all in agreement that he's got plenty of interesting work ahead of him. Looking forward to seeing what comes next! Mank - Nice old Hollywood touches, a noir-y overture (Welcome to Victorville), and a fun swing cue (M.G.M.). Pretty good! News of the World - Shares some DNA with Call of the Wild, especially in instrumentation and environment, but Newton Howard ultimately takes a different approach, with a lot of fun Western sounds and key dramatic writing. Noticed some similarities to A Hidden Life and a little bit of Thomas Newman in Kidd Visits Maria. Love the End Titles! We're hoping to make this a tradition on our listening session calendar, so hopefully next year will offer as interesting a crop of scores as 2020 did. Looking ahead to things like The French Dispatch (Alexandre Desplat) and Spencer (Jonny Greenwood), among others, I'd say there's a pretty solid chance. Good stuff all around! Holko, Glóin the Dark, Bespin and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 May the one who need a little boost and/or recognition in his career win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 41 minutes ago, Bespin said: May the one who need a little boost and/or recognition in his career win! Yes! Mosseri##!!!!😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 We watched Wolfwalkers (best animated film nominee) last night and I thought it was terrific. Much better than the team’s other efforts (Secret of Kells and Song of the Sea) which I thought were equally beautiful but kinda snoozes. Probably my favorite animated movie of the year (although I didn’t change my pick’em away from Soul, which I suspect will take it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 I'm looking forward to watching the awards tonight! Here's the nominated films I've seen Judas and the Black Messiah - meh, very boring, didn't like it Mank - meh, it was kind of interesting but not very cohesive Nomadland - Really cool flick, liked it a lot. Loved the direction most of all Promising Young Woman - meh, good idea for a film and good message but not executed well and Mulligan was miscast Sound of Metal - Easily one the best films of the year, interesting story, great acting and sound design Trial of the Chicago 7 - Cool flick, I enjoyed it a lot Another Round - Nice premise, cast was real good, execution was off though, tone was too sullen, cool ending though Soul - I Liked it a lot Da 5 Bloods - I really didn't like it News of the World - I really liked it a lot! I was surprised this barely got any nominations - what happened? Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga - Funny! Greyhound - Amazing WW2 action movie, I loved it, one of my favorites of the year Here's (some of the) nominated films that I haven't seen yet Minari - Looks good, will see as soon as its streaming free somewhere The Father - Ditto Ma Rainey's Black Bottom - Watched the trailer, neither of us were compelled to want to watch it The United States vs Billie Holiday - Ditto Pieces of a Woman - Looks too depressing, not that interested One Night In Miami - Looks good, we'll watch it eventually, just haven't yet Borat Subsequent Moviefilm - I remember laughing a lot at the first one, will watch this eventually Hillbilly Elegy - Was originally interested in this, but the tepid response made me lose interest The White Tiger - Might check this one out Onward - Will see eventually Over The Moon - Definitely want to see, just haven't yet Wolfwalkers - Ditto Shaun The Sheep Movie: Farmageddon - Meh Emma. - Meh Mulan - Meh Pinocchio - Shouldn't this have been a part of last year's ceremony? And finally here's the rest of the 2020 films (and Jan/Feb 2021 since they were eligible this year due to covid) I've seen (that didn't get nominated for anything) The Gentlemen - Guy Ritchie doing the Guy Ritchie thing, but with a newer cast. Pretty good, not a new classic like Lock Stock and Snatch though The Invisible Man - I loved it, one of the best movies of the year, superbly directed, great thriller Guns Akimbo - One of the dumbest movies I've ever seen The Hunt - I loved it, one of best films of the year, already want to watch again. Betty Gilpin killed it Coffee & Kareem - Funny disposable entertainment The Wrong Missy - Ditto The High Note - Somewhat interesting "chick flick" Irresistible - Really clever flick, didn't seem too special right after but I still think about it sometimes The Old Guard - Really cool action flick with a genuinely interesting story and concept - I hope they make sequels Palm Springs - one of the best movies of the year, Love the story, cast, and execution An American Pickle - I liked this flick, it really came and went but showed Seth Rogen can act when he wants to Tesla - Really weird, didn't care for it (I admire the effort though) Bill & Ted Face The Music - Meh The Binge - Funny Unpregnant - Really good, Booksmart is better though Antebellum - Really stupid, one of the worst films of the year Enola Holmes - I wanted to like it but.. meh Ava - Somehow despite the great cast and decent budget it just didn't result in anything special. Still worth a watch though, with lowered expectations Hubie Halloween - Funny, basically Happy Gilmore / Billy Madison 3 The 40 Year Old Version - meh, I admire the effort though The Witches - Meh, Zemeckis didn't pull off anything special here Run - Great little thriller! I liked it! Happiest Season - Good rom-com with a great cast Uncle Frank - Easily one of the best movies of the year, really good from start to finish. Huge snub, should have gotten writing, directing, and acting noms Godmothered - Disposable Disney kid stuff Wonder Woman 1984 - Meh, really didn't like it Locked Down - Waste of time The Dig - Nice flick, good cast, interesting story The Little Things - Waste of time I Care A Lot - Loved it, Pike was fantastic, another snub Going through the list of 2020 movies.... holy hell was there a lot of films I still want to see, way more than any other recent year. What a good year for flicks this ended up being! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 GREYHOUND? Tell me more, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 Well, it's a cool WW2 sea battle movie written by and starring Tom Hanks. It's 90 minutes of lean and mean action with just the briefest of setup and denoument outside of that. It was fantastic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound_(film) bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 I only care about RAZZIES! Rudy Giuliani is a WINNER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 Aww, I wanted Paul Raci to win for Sound of Metal. I really didn't like Kaluuya's performance in Judas. Oh well bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I think this is the only year for which I've seen all of the Best Picture nominees before the ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 I only haven't seen The Father and Minari Why do they let all the speeches go on for so long this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I couldn't torture myself by listening to all this crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jay said: I only haven't seen The Father and Minari I think they'd both be in my top 3 of the nominees, with Nomadland ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 It's just a buncha rich Hollyweird nuts celebrating themselves and using their awards as a platform for politics. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 Cool, enjoy the many other threads JWFan has to offer tonight then! bruce marshall, TSMefford, Unlucky Bastard and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LSH 969 Posted April 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2021 I always thought Wikipedia was unreservedly accurate. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Glóin the Dark, Edmilson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 Wow Bryan Cranston has aged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Jay said: Promising Young Woman - meh, good idea for a film and good message but not executed well and Mulligan was miscast I love Promising Young Woman. The reason it isn't among my top few of the nominees is that it seriously compromises itself with its ending, but I thought Mulligan was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 Hmm, I thought the ending was the best part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Haha! We seem to have practically opposite tastes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I'm surprised at how long they're letting these speeches go. And the Oscars definitely needs a real host I think. 18 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: I think they'd both be in my top 3 of the nominees, with Nomadland ahead of them. I'd put Sound of Metal, Minari and The Father as my top 3, above Nomadland. 22 minutes ago, Jay said: Why do they let all the speeches go on for so long this year? Lol woops, just seeing this. Looks like they really cut down everything else in the ceremony to give more airtime for speeches...makes the whole thing rather dry. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Speeches like ""Wear a mask" " We're all in this together" ???? Weren't the speeches at GLOBES an endless scold about no " writers/voters of color"? Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 My friend works for the Academy and is proud of the work they had to do to even put on a show in the pandemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, KK said: I'd put Sound of Metal, Minari and The Father as my top 3, above Nomadland. Yeah, Sound of Metal is in the same league. I gather that Chloe Zhao's win has already been announced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Why are they hosting it t at a train station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,456 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Happy for Chloé winning the best director award. Nomadland is a great movie, and her directing is amazing. Also, she's the first Marvel director with an Oscar. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: Yeah, Sound of Metal is in the same league. I gather that Chloe Zhao's win has already been announced... Happy for Zhao's win. Second Asian director to win Best Director in a row. Also, did they cut out the Best Costume winner speech? That doesn't seem right. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 We saw Promising Young Woman, Onward, Over the Moon, Soul, Wolfwalkers, Eurovision Song Contest, burrow (short), Love and Monsters, and The One and Only Ivan. All the big nominees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 Yay for Chloe Zhao, a well deserved win for directing Nomadland! It's rare that I watch a film and think "that was well directed", but that one I sure did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 The media only cares about ' firsts'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Why are they hosting it t at a train station? Because the Oscars should be relevant for rail people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 The Sound of Metal winning Best Sound is the biggest lock in a long time... And super well deserved. The sound was incredible in that movie The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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