Jay 37,364 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Naïve Old Fart and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 All the 4K remastering, and fancy new stuff, won't change what the film is, fundamentally. You'll either like it, or you won't. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Well, yea I don't think anybody thinks otherwise JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,392 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I've met a few people who changed their minds about the film in 2001. But no, nobody has flipped this movie from the bottom of their list to the top. (I gather Nimoy at least softened about the film because of this cut.) Does anyone know why they replaced the original matte of the Golden Gate bridge with new stuff? Back in '01 I heard exhaustive explanations for pretty much every new shot and edit: it helped the story, it was connective tissue, the old shot was rushed and didn't work (Vulcan), the edit was tighter. I never heard ANY reason that the old and frankly fantastic matte was replaced. I'll save my final judgement for the actual release, but the later shots still don't look great. But the shot of the Enterprise coming out of the wormhole with the explosion still looks fantastic and looks like it was a lost shot from 1979 (which IMHO is the mission). But the shots inside Vejur and the big exterior shots of Vejur just didn't have the same 1979 verisimilitude that the earlier shots have. I still hope I'm wrong of course. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 And now Paramount had gone and swung the ban hammer down on both the youtube mirror and the twitter mirror that were posted here. Gotta love the ineptitude. You get em Paramount, go after those people advertising your product for free! JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,392 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Makes me wonder what it is that's objectionable. The most obvious detail would be the date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I suspect it's timing. They likely want some specifically timed publicity to accompany the video. It is clear the Trailer was not meant to be "public", so there may be other elements tothe official annoucnement, and this foulup basically messed with their marketing plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Anyone manage to download the damn trailer before it got flagged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,023 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 It’s my favorite Star Trek film and score. Tallguy and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Yep. Same, here. The film was, is, and always shall be, my favourite Star Trek film. The score speaks for itself. It is not only the best Star Trek score, by a country mile, it is a very strong candidate for the accolade "Greatest Single Score Ever Written". JTN and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,023 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Yep. Same, here. The film was, is, and always shall be, my favourite Star Trek film. The score speaks for itself. It is not only the best Star Trek score, by a country mile, it is a very strong candidate for the accolade "Greatest Single Score Ever Written". I couldn’t agree more. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,129 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Official Announcement Paramount + April 5 Fathom Screenings May 25 4K UHD September Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,392 Posted March 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2022 Quote In addition, fans will have the opportunity to see the restored version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture—The Director’s Edition on the big screen for the first time when Fathom Events and Paramount Pictures bring it to theaters for an exclusive two-day event on May 22 and May 25. Tickets will go on sale Friday, April 8 at FathomEvents.com. WHOOOOOOOOO! Ok, now I'm getting a little more excited about it: https://www.startrek.com/news/david-c-fein-shares-the-secrets-of-the-star-trek-the-motion-picture-the-directors-edition Quote Another challenge was working on the sound, which led to a fantastic discovery for Fein and his team. They discovered the original ADR (Automated Dialogue Replacement) for the film that they previously had not access to, which meant a piece of Star Trek history was being unearthed as they remastered the film. This also led to a heartfelt moment for Fein. “Bob was directing the actors,” Fein said, getting emotional as he spoke about his friend, who passed away in 2005. “To hear him saying, ‘Okay, now let's do it again.’ But this way was magic. There have been just such a few times that I feel like he was standing behind me or telling me, ‘We need to do this. We need to do that.’ It was so precious that I just had to love it. And that was one of many things.” For fans of the film, Fein also has another big surprise he revealed during the interview. “There's a deleted scene that we wanted to have back 20 years ago,” he said. “This was Ilia and Scotty and Decker in engineering. We found some of the footage 20 years ago, but there was no audio, so there was really no point in showing the scene. But it's three or four scenes that people have wanted to see forever. So we re-transferred that footage… and we found out that Bob looped the dialogue for the scene. Now that scene's going to be included in the physical media release and others, because he looped a few. And we found other key scenes that are just fantastic.” The biggest thing that was lacking for me in 2001 was the sound. I knew what they wanted and I think that their instincts were right. But little things like using the sound FX from the Enterprise B for the bridge were just off. I was watching... Well, both versions I guess. Anyway watching them both the other day and some of the dubbing sounded so flat. Very 1979 of course. I wonder what they'll be able to do with that with the original ADR? I was afraid that this would be the 2001 with HD renders of the visual FX. But from this and comments from Matessino (about the music editing with current tech and his having 20 years more experience) this might really be something remarkable. Andy, Manakin Skywalker, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 How nice that on Star Wars Day, ST TMP will be back in theaters Andy and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,392 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jay said: How nice that on Star Wars Day, ST TMP will be back in theaters I realized that right after I posted it. I think that shows how excited I am about finally seeing this in the cinema that I heard the date May 25th and my brain didn't immediately spit back "Star Wars". My kids are learning that May 4th is NOT Star Wars day and the Obi-Wan series is helping to reinforce this. Now I'm going to take them to see a Star Trek movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 May the 4th is Star Wars Day too, May 25th is just when SW premiered in 1977 and also when Obi-Wan is premiering this year The trailer is up on Paramount+'s youtube channel, so i assume is region-blocked to the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jay said: so i assume is region-blocked to the USA? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Geniuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 This one should work. JTN and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I'll trek (zing!) out to the theaters to see this in May Andy and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,392 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, Jay said: May the 4th is Star Wars Day too, May 25th is just when SW premiered in 1977 and also when Obi-Wan is premiering this year And Return of the Jedi. I'm touchy about that for some reason. I just know that I never saw a Star Wars movie anywhere near May 4th and I saw George Lucas (and Kershner and Marquand) on May 23rd. Star Wars day is May 25th. May the 4th is a pun. But this year I'll be seeing Star Trek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I married a May 25th. Nice unexpected coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I feel happy for the team, truly, that they got to undertake this obvious labor of love. I just don’t see the appeal of adding CGI to an old movie, however. In general I just never like it. But especially here, it’s odd. Who ever watched this movie and said, “You know what this movie needs? MORE SPECTACLE!” Or, “If only this vintage film had special effects that looked the same as every 2022 flick?” Well, I hope the actual restoration work they have done here (eg., music/sound) can benefit a future release of the SLV. Jurassic Shark and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,129 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I haven't been to a movie theater since Rise of Skywalker in 2019. I may have to brave this one and boldly go (zing!). I would almost guarantee I'd have the theater to myself if prior Fathom screenings are any indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,392 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Pellaeon said: I feel happy for the team, truly, that they got to undertake this obvious labor of love. I just don’t see the appeal of adding CGI to an old movie, however. In general I just never like it. But especially here, it’s odd. Who ever watched this movie and said, “You know what this movie needs? MORE SPECTACLE!” Or, “If only this vintage film had special effects that looked the same as every 2022 flick?” Well, I hope the actual restoration work they have done here (eg., music/sound) can benefit a future release of the SLV. Have you seen the SD version? I'm sure if they could have they would have done all of the FX with 1978 tech. CG is just a means. With very few exceptions the mission statement was always "make it look like all of the other fx". (There's even a scene where they animated on twos - 12 frames per second - like would have been done in the original.) It's not a Lucas "Ohhh look what I can do now!" but more "Do it like we didn't run out of time!" Even if you knew all of this, maybe someone else doesn't. 1 hour ago, Pellaeon said: I feel happy for the team, truly, that they got to undertake this obvious labor of love. Oh, and ^^^ this! Yavar Moradi and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Have you seen the SD version? I'm sure if they could have they would have done all of the FX with 1978 tech. CG is just a means. With very few exceptions the mission statement was always "make it look like all of the other fx". (There's even a scene where they animated on twos - 12 frames per second - like would have been done in the original.) I thought they did a great job with just upgrading the existing effects where necessary and adding a few subtle extras. I do kinda feel that showing all of V'Ger wasn't really necessary, the glimpses of the various sections as the Enterprise flies over are more exciting than the whole thing, but I can understand the impetus to do so. I have to admit that those shots of the tiny outline of the Enterprise against V'Ger always gave a sense of scale that Star Trek ship effects rarely (if ever) get. As a kid I was enthralled by those shots in a way that the more standard ship effects from the later movies didn't quite enter my imagination (effective though most undoubtedly are... Star Trek V... not you, although even that has a couple of neat moments). However, I think the subtle enhancements to, in particular, the shots where the crew walk to the core of V'Ger are vastly improved with the hexagonal tiles materialising and the backdrop of the Enterprise now correctly proportioned. Matt painting artists pre-CGI really were wizards but that's one of the few where they really didn't quite get the perspective right although I acknowledge that the curves of the saucer section must be a nightmare to get it right from the angle they went for. Still, can't wait! Yavar Moradi and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneBuckFilms 319 Posted March 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2022 Well, good news all around: A theatrical presentation, streaming premiere and 4K announcement all this year. From the glimpses seen in the trailer, and what I've read in the articles above, I think this is going to be a fantastic release. A few things that really set this apart from the Star Wars / George Lucas enhancements: Although this is legitimately the Director's vision (a restoration of it anyway), the original theatrical cut is also easily available and preserved. No revisionist history. The standards for the effects on this are keeping in mind the style and what was possible in 1979, and not adding effects just to add them. Instead, much of the focus is on tightening the edit, tweaking and restoring character moments and development in the film. This is a win-win all around for me. Tallguy, Tom Guernsey, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said: Well, good news all around: A theatrical presentation, streaming premiere and 4K announcement all this year. Fantastic. I look forward to it reaching the outer islands of North West Scotland, in the very near future (!) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Which star date would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 April 5th for Paramount+ premiere, May 22nd and 25th (I think) for Fathom Events theatrical presentation, and unknown date in September for UHD Blu-ray physical release (I assume a 4k/Blu-ray 2 disc set with new and existing features). I have the current Blu-ray of the Theatrical release, however I would hope we would get both the Theatrical and Director's Edition on disc. It may be just the DE however, and I can live with that given that the Theatrical edition is out in 4K and Blu-ray already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,392 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Yeah, my expectation at this point would be that they would stay separate actually. Though it would be nice to have The Ultimate Edition with both (hell, all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Tallguy said: I'm sure if they could have they would have done all of the FX with 1978 tech. Why couldn’t they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Which star date would that be? Stardate Twelfth of Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Fun bit at 1:06 where Spock says “…curiosity…” and it cuts to Sulu and Kirk having a little moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 41 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: Why couldn’t they? Because it wasn't done in 1978. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: Why couldn’t they? There was a rushed post-production in 1978/79, and they didn't have time to do a propor sound mix, do all of the VFX they wanted, or have preview screenings that would have told them that the VFX were overwhelming the characters at the time. Money may also have been a factor, as the film was already frontloaded with money from the aborted Phase II, that provided the basis for designs, sets etc., including the Pilot script that turned into the theatrical screenplay. TMP theatrical release was essentially a late-stage workprint of the movie, and the only film Robert Wise was unhappy with at release. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I know that. I know that. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Of course they could have done new VFX in the 21st century using 1978 tech. Pellaeon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,023 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 hours ago, OneBuckFilms said: April 5th for Paramount+ premiere, May 22nd and 25th (I think) for Fathom Events theatrical presentation, and unknown date in September for UHD Blu-ray physical release (I assume a 4k/Blu-ray 2 disc set with new and existing features). I have the current Blu-ray of the Theatrical release, however I would hope we would get both the Theatrical and Director's Edition on disc. It may be just the DE however, and I can live with that given that the Theatrical edition is out in 4K and Blu-ray already. I don’t get why the BLADE RUNNER Blu-ray Set can’t be the gold standard with classic movies that have multiple versions. Include all of them and let the viewer decide which version they want to watch. Period. Yavar Moradi and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneBuckFilms 319 Posted March 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2022 To my mind, it absolutely is the Gold Standard. The Alien Anthology set is also a Gold Standard in a similar way. JTN, Tallguy and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2022 I'd also love to get the special 12 minutes longer TV extended cut premiered on digital, personally. There are a few things I like in it which no other cut has, and it's only ever been officially released on VHS. Yavar JTN, Pellaeon and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 08/07/2021 at 10:16 AM, GerateWohl said: Is the director's cut any better than the theatrical version? At that time I loved everything related to Science Fiction. But the Star Trek movie managed to bore me to keep, almost. But it's been 40 years since I saw the movie. Me too. It would have to be a BIG improvement to watch this turkey again. CE3K had many of the same problems I.e. rushed schedule prevented a fine tuned edit. The SE was a.big improvement in that scenes were cut that never belonged in.the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 25/03/2022 at 1:49 AM, Yavar Moradi said: and it's only ever been officially released on VHS. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 6 hours ago, bruce marshall said: CE3K had many of the same problems I.e. rushed schedule prevented a fine tuned edit. The SE was a.big improvement in that scenes were cut that never belonged in.the first place Having seen all three versions of CE3K, many times, I can say, honestly, that I really do not mind which version I see. I don't even mind "inside the mothership". I would dearly love to see the deleted scenes, at Dax Airforce Base, and I think that the "bathroom/watch" scene should have been in the original. Other than that, all three versions are fine, by me. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Anybody watch it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,129 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I scanned through it on my phone briefly last night at 3AM when my internal Trek alarm woke me up out of my sleep. I can confirm that they went back to the old Film Version of the Main Title. Yay! I am out of my mind excited to watch tonight! Actually, I am most looking forward to hearing the sound enhancements and ADR handled by Mike Matessino, as well as the score mix. It's the little things like this that keep me going. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Two new articles about the restoration https://blog.frame.io/2022/04/04/made-in-frame-star-trek-the-motion-picture-directors-edition/ https://trekmovie.com/2022/04/03/interview-producer-david-fein-on-bringing-star-trek-the-motion-picture-the-directors-edition-to-4k/ Naïve Old Fart and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Andy said: I am out of my mind excited to watch tonight! Actually, I am most looking forward to hearing the sound enhancements and ADR... May the wind be at your back. Keep us all posted regarding the sound changes, will you? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Haven't watched much of it but listened to some of the audio channels and the music is incredibly discrete. There is no comparison to the theatrical's sound mix which doesn't come remotely close. You're hearing every strike of the snare, bells, you name it. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: May the wind be at your back. Keep us all posted regarding the sound changes, will you? You have an incoming transmission from Epsilon...I can't even make a lame Star Trek reference. Check your messages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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