The Force Awakens John Williams Receives 50th Oscar Nomination for 'The Force Awakens'

[nightscape94 965]

There's never really any buzz for film scores, since generally the media doesn't care much about them, and Academy members aren't visiting message boards.  TFA was also excellently reviewed, and probably the best reviewed score of the year, but the problem comes down to the voters.  Mainly what they're going to hear when they think about the new Star Wars is the opening crawl and think "been there, done that" and move on.  They're probably not going to sit down and listen to the entire FYC album to find the 99% new music represented in the score.  The Musical Branch already did the legwork by nominating it.

 

Unless there's an internal lobbying effort then it really doesn't stand a chance.  I would say Morricone is still the favorite simply because of the "story", with Newman being the dark horse.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

12 minutes ago, nightscape94 said:

Mainly what they're going to hear when they think about the new Star Wars is the opening crawl and think "been there, done that" and move on.

 

Ahh, another cunning tactic from Williams and his team. The FYC omitted the main title and got straight to the action.

[nightscape94 965]

It's more their perception of the series.  It's doubtful most of them listened to the FYC scores from any of the composers.

 

Good tactic indeed, but probably an exercise in futility.

[Romão 2,274]

I don't mind Morricone winning, at all

[That_Bloke 115]

4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said:

Most of his Disney's noms were as producer, not director. As head of the studio, he basically just put his name as producer on everything Disney made and thus got a lot of nominations.

 

 

 

 

"A lot of Walt Disney's nominations were given to him mainly as director of animated shorts and as director/producer for the series of nature/wildlife documentaries he made between the 1950s and 1960s. So technically they were all individual efforts."

 

My thanks to you both for this.

[Uni 306]

17 hours ago, Thor said:

And even if he will never pass Newman and Menken as most-winning composer, he beat them in the nomination department a long time ago. So does that -- in fact -- make Williams one of the biggest "losers" in Oscar history, relatively speaking?

 

Yep. Lowest winning percentage out there. Bad thing? Nah.

 

2 hours ago, nightscape94 said:

Mainly what they're going to hear when they think about the new Star Wars is the opening crawl and think "been there, done that" and move on.  They're probably not going to sit down and listen to the entire FYC album to find the 99% new music represented in the score.  The Musical Branch already did the legwork by nominating it.

 

I don't think it's quite that simple. The voters in this category do know their film music, and I think they take the privilege of their vote seriously enough that they dutifully listen through their FYC copies. I do believe, however, that the (likely) single listen they give to the score will have them shrugging and thinking, "It's a Star Wars score. Good stuff, but Oscar-worthy. . . ?" They don't obsess over the deeper details and thematic connections like we do. I doubt it'll be enough to overcome the sentimental intertia that's likely going to carry Morricone to the win.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

All Academy members vote for the Best Score category Uni. 

 

 

[Uni 306]

I thought we had a discussion about this some years ago. Doesn't the Best Score category get voted up by a select group of composers/musicians? (If not . . . where the hell did I get that idea?)

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

They decide who gets nominated, i think.

But for the actual wins ever member votes for every category. 

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Yes, that's right. For the nominations, each branch of the Academy only votes in their own field + Best Picture. Then for the winners everybody votes on everything.

[Jay 37,368]

The music branch votes on who gets NOMINATED.

 

ALL voters vote on who WINS.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

59 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

They decide who gets nominated, i think.

But for the actual wins ever member votes for every category. 

 

3 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

Yes, that's right. For the nominations, each branch of the Academy only votes in their own field + Best Picture. Then for the winners everybody votes on everything.

 

 

Ninja'd, Jason...

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Got it, Uni???

[Richard Penna 3,694]

7 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said:

Most of his Disney's noms were as producer, not director. As head of the studio, he basically just put his name as producer on everything Disney made and thus got a lot of nominations.

 

 

 

It's always seemed weird to me that a producer receives the Best Picture award, because everything that actually ends up on screen is down to the director. Yes, the producer organises everything, but that doesn't creatively make the end result, does it.

 

Stranger so, that a film can be the best film, but not be the best directed. They seem hard to separate to me, almost like there shouldn't be a 'best film' category.

[Uni 306]

Ah--THAT'S where I got mixed up.

 

Forget what I said, then. It's doubtful the majority of voters will pay any attention to the FYC's (beyond pricing them out as bootlegs). And they'll probably take just the approach nightscape was talking about: recalling the Star Wars main theme, shrugging it off, and giving the award to someone else. And if the whole Academy votes, I think Thomas Newman's chances just went up. Morricone may be a sentimental favorite, but folks aren't going to be remembering "music" when they think back to The Hateful Eight. Bridge of Spies will get some traction in other categories, and the Newman family name still has plenty of pull.

[mrbellamy 6,287]

I think Carol makes a lot of sense as a winner too, very pretty and elegant music for a pretty and elegant movie, and it's gotten a lot of standout remarks in reviews. Sicario is the only one that I don't see winning.

[Jay 37,368]

The FYCs are created for the music branch, they are what the music branch voters are SUPPOSED to base their votes on (on top of seeing it in the film)

 

The general pop who votes on the winners of all the categories don't get mailed FYCs

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

6 hours ago, publicist said:

 

Well, stupid general voters fucking stupid fanboys again. It's a conspiracy of epic proportions!

 

 

Indeed. 

[BloodBoal 7,538]

2 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

Stranger so, that a film can be the best film, but not be the best directed. They seem hard to separate to me, almost like there shouldn't be a 'best film' category.

 

This.

 

2 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

I think Carol makes a lot of sense as a winner too

 

I don't know. I mean, he's a good member, but the Best JWFANer? I'm not sure...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I'm the best JWFanner.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Sorry, but you were not among the nominees!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Of course I am!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Not eligible, sorry!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Not elig...what are you talking about?

 

What are the criteria?

[nightscape94 965]

2 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

Stranger so, that a film can be the best film, but not be the best directed. They seem hard to separate to me, almost like there shouldn't be a 'best film' category.

 

And in a recent weird example, Argo won best picture without even being nominated for director.  That makes no sense.

 

Hitchcock's 1941 film Rebecca won Best Picture without winning for director, editing, writing or acting.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

This is classified information, sorry.

[Trumpeteer 302]

The Oscar-winning score has also been a part of a film nominated for Best Picture for 14 of the past 15 years. The only exception was "Frida" in 2002, when "The Hours" was the only score among the nominees with a corresponding Best Picture nomination. This year, "Bridge of Spies" is the only nominated score that was featured in a Best Picture nominee.

 

That said, this might be just the second time in 16 years that an Oscar-winning score has not been featured in a Best Picture nominee.

 

I'm always rooting for John Williams to win an Oscar, but I'm predicting Morricone.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Who's Spielberg rooting for?

 

And how can they say BoS is potentially the best film of the year, but not the best directed... it makes no sense.

[Jay 37,368]

Because there are 8 Best Picture nominees and 5 Best Director nominees?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

Who's Spielberg rooting for?

 

Great question!

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Well yes, obviously there are more best picture nominees. But how can you point to any of those that weren't nominated for director, and say that it's the best film of the year, but someone else did a better directing job?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

You are expecting the Oscars to make sense?

[Richard Penna 3,694]

A bit. Futile, I Know.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Essentially the Academy will do whatever they feels helps them get as much viewers and as high a ratings as possible. It isn't really a night where movies are being awarded for their excellence. It's entertainment. Nothing more.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

The Best Director award is just for the one who did the best job telling the actors where to stand and who yelled "action!" loudest.

[Romão 2,274]

Because Directors decide the 5 director nominees and the whole academy decides the Best Picture nominees. So mismatches can happen

[skyy38 21]

On 1/14/2016 at 4:46 AM, Drax said:

Those FYC discs will skywalk even higher in value.

No they won't.

And Mr. Morricone for the win, because the picture ain't worth a crap!

On 1/14/2016 at 5:02 AM, Stefancos said:

No best score nom for Fury Road though. Pity.....

You're the only one.

Go massage your "lightsaber."

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

4 minutes ago, skyy38 said:

Go massage your "lightsaber."

 

Yes sir!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 hour ago, skyy38 said:

No they won't.

And Mr. Morricone for the win, because the picture ain't worth a crap!

You're the only one.

Go massage your "lightsaber."

 

You are seriously becoming a candidate for the ignore feature

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Ignore him? Why? He's one of the best posters at the moment!

 

He's actually one of the Best JWFAN Member nominees!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

That ignore feature is stupid.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Why?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

5 minutes ago, Drax said:

That ignore feature is stupid.

 

Indeed! When I want to ignore someone's posts, I just ignore them! I don't need some feature to do that for me!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

It's the message board equivalent of cupping your hands over your ears and going "LALALALALALA!!!"

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I agree. But sometimes that's better then actually seeing the absolute shite that somebody has written!

 

 

 

And since you can't unfriend someone here....

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Embrace diversity. It is the progressive way.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Not if I can help it!

[nightscape94 965]

It's that tricky balance of being simultaneously entertained and annoyed.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Skyy38 should be an inspiration to us all in how we should never stop trying even in the face of enormous opposition. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Film composing? That ghetto?

[Lewya 360]

Who is Spielberg voting for? He can only vote on one. I wish all the votes were public so we could see who voted on who. I am also curious to see if Williams voted on himself/what he voted on IF he even voted that is. Would also be interesting to see what other major composers and directors voted for and so on.