Caliburn 72 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 For who is interested in my thoughts. Here is my review of the score. https://soundtrackworld.com/2019/03/captain-marvel-pinar-toprak/ Obi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 So this appeared on Twitter this morning. To which Michael Giacchino replied. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Come on, Michael. He left in a typo! He called her Pinar the first time, then PInar the second time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 So yet another example of how film blog clickbait culture wants to make everything into a scandal? Or is it an actual scandal and PR people are trying to make it look like it isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Come on, Michael. He left in a typo! He called her Pinar the first time, then PInar the second time! Is that important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 It should be, for something like this, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Is that important? It is to Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I wonder which cues he worked on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Gia mansplaining (man-composing) to Top Rack? The Feminists will massacre him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, El Jefe said: It is to Jason. But why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Gia mansplaining (man-composing) to Top Rack? The Feminists will massacre him. Can we please just stop with the casual sexism on this site? Like geez Falstaft, Sharkissimo, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jay said: I wonder which cues he worked on? Didn’t a few cues sound like they were temped with Giacchino’s music? maybe it was those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, John said: Can we please just stop with the casual sexism on this site? Like geez Is this the invasion of the PC brigade? Nothing I said is triggering or sexist in the least. I know irony doesn't read well but try harder before flinging ist and ism labels around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 You don’t need to be “PC” to realize that making gross and uncalled-for statements about women is wrong. It just seems creepy and a bit predatory You do you I guess. Falstaft and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Gia mansplaining (man-composing) to Top Rack? The Feminists will massacre him. 11 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Is this the invasion of the PC brigade? Nothing I said is triggering or sexist in the least. I know irony doesn't read well but try harder before flinging ist and ism labels around. Interesting Not Mr. Big and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jay said: I wonder which cues he worked on? The ones with puns in their titles. Not Mr. Big and Ollie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, John said: You don’t need to be “PC” to realize that making gross and uncalled-for statements about women is wrong. It just seems creepy and a bit predatory You do you I guess. Creepy and predatory too? What's next dox me or drag me screaming to the snake pits? I have zero tolerance for exchanges like these. I am putting you on ignore so that there isn't a repeat of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 Bye! Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Someone actually got paid to write that nonsense article, wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I have zero tolerance for exchanges like these. I am putting you on ignore so that there isn't a repeat of this. Interesting, so you should be allowed to say whatever you want, and people should be ok with it. But if its the other way around you break out the "ignore" function? Grow a pair, dude! John, Docteur Qui, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 . Not Mr. Big and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fabulin said: #UlyssesianDidNothingWrong Nor did John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: Interesting, so you should be allowed to say whatever you want, and people should be ok with it. But if its the other way around you break out the "ignore" function? Grow a pair, dude! Massive massive enormous difference surely you aren't so ignorant as to not see that. I make a joke about public figures. I will give you that some people might not find it funny. The other poster - leveled a slanderous accusation against me without knowing me or my intentions. And then called me creepy and a predator? I only responded. And out of all the asinine activities one can do on the internet, a petty ridiculous misguided feud is surely the most risible. Zero interest and zero tolerance. I would engage in a discussion on any topic but idle bomb throwing is not worth my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 What a trash article. Entirely designed to fan the inferno of the culture wars. Whoever wrote it should be ashamed of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I've recognized TheUlyssesian as one of the more obnoxious and troublesome elements of JWFan for some time now. Glad the rest of you are catching on. As for this other controversy, give me a break. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted April 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Gia mansplaining (man-composing) to Top Rack? The Feminists will massacre him. 4 hours ago, John said: Can we please just stop with the casual sexism on this site? Like geez 4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Nothing I said is triggering or sexist in the least. Referring to a woman by the size of her boobs instead of her actual name instead by definition sexist. mstrox, Falstaft, John and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Jay said: Referring to a woman by the size of her boobs instead of her actual name instead by definition sexist. And I am the first to ever make that joke and you have always rushed out any time any one made any sort of inappropriate joke to tar and feather them to assure that shocking transgressions against our civility are never made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Why is it that the ones who make casually sexist jokes are also the most sensitive when people call them out? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 That's how idiocy works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I'm surprised the focus of cynicism here is on sexism rather than "Wow, of all composers, you needed GIACCHINO to help you? Really? He can barely help himself a lot of the time! Have you heard most of his action music!?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Docteur Qui said: Why is it that the ones who make casually sexist jokes are also the most sensitive when people call them out? Yep. 22 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: I'm surprised the focus of cynicism here is on sexism rather than "Wow, of all composers, you needed GIACCHINO to help you? Really? He can barely help himself a lot of the time! Have you heard most of his action music!?". Since it isn't clear on what he helped out with, wouldn't that be premature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 But wouldn't it make more sense to request help from a good composer, like John Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 What about Dick Tracy? Dick, now there's an interesting name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Wasn't he just a bland ripoff of Duck Twacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 30 seconds, no more Dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I'll call Duck Twacy, the famous detec-a-tive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, dougie said: 30 seconds, no more Dick! You expect me to talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Stupid banana raincoat wearing Dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: But wouldn't it make more sense to request help from a good composer, like John Williams? After the financial failure of Solo I'm sure Disney Ian gonna let Williams help out anyone on their projects. Ollie and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 He has failed us for the last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Hopefully Gia will be able to help out on Ep 9! Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I love how Jay picks up on the typo! 1 hour ago, Kasey Kockroach said: I'm surprised the focus of cynicism here is on sexism rather than "Wow, of all composers, you needed GIACCHINO to help you? Really? He can barely help himself a lot of the time! Have you heard most of his action music!?". If Giacchino was there around the same time, surely it would be helpful for Toprak to seek the advice of a composer who has worked with the studio before who has some experience, instead of calling in some outside source to fill the same position? Perhaps Marvel wanted a similar sound to what Giacchino had offered? It also picks up on some the long-held misconceptions of the role of a composer that any outside help lessens the score because it wasn't entirely crafted by their hands, which simply isn't true. Interestingly Powell mentioned this in a recent interview about the collaborative nature that he has experienced and not understanding how others could see that as anything but a good way to produce a score... To me your comment @Kasey Kockroach, whether jokingly or not, typifies the same tired, bitchy, gossip * 'I can't believe they got Junkie XL to score, he can't even write a score without using drum loops'* type comments that are just childish now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I’m saying that with all the Giacchino bitterness around here, I was surprised that wasn’t the focus with reactions to this...ahem, “scandal”. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, Arpy said: It also picks up on some the long-held misconceptions of the role of a composer that any outside help lessens the score because it wasn't entirely crafted by their hands, which simply isn't true. Doesn't that depend on a persons personal preference of what he or he expects of an artist though? In many artforms what you're saying actually isn't the case at all. A Rubens painting would probably drop in value if if were discovered that part of it was done by an other artist of lesser statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Doesn't that depend on a persons personal preference of what he or he expects of an artist though? In many artforms what you're saying actually isn't the case at all. A Rubens painting would probably drop in value if if were discovered that part of it was done by an other artist of lesser statue. Yes, for a work which is explicitly made as a solo effort, however in the context of film scoring, it isn't unusual for multiple writers to work on a score, not to mention, numerous ghostwriters. 54 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: I’m saying that with all the Giacchino bitterness around here, I was surprised that wasn’t the focus with reactions to this...ahem, “scandal”. Well your post corrected that, didn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Arpy said: Yes, for a work which is explicitly made as a solo effort, however in the context of film scoring, it isn't unusual for multiple writers to work on a score, not to mention, numerous ghostwriters. Up until the mid-90's it was actually very unusual for more than one composer to work on a score. And using ghostwriters is really something that shouldnt be excused. If a score has more than one composer, they should always be credited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Up until the mid-90's it was actually very unusual for more than one composer to work on a score. And using ghostwriters is really something that shouldnt be excused. If a score has more than one composer, they should always be credited. What if the ghostwriter(s) wish to remain anonymous? Anyhow, my comments were obviously concerning the current film score practices and projects, where, it's not as uncommon a practice to have multiple composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Arpy said: What if the ghostwriter(s) wish to remain anonymous? In the case of Gia doing some work on Captain Marvel, that might be the case. Often it's not though. It's a person doing work for which someone else gets credit. 11 minutes ago, Arpy said: Anyhow, my comments were obviously concerning the current film score practices and projects, where, it's not as uncommon a practice to have multiple composers. And in many cases it's something I'm less interested in. Though I don't have anything against the practice itself, as long as all contributing composers get proper credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I agree 100% that the composers involved should receive proper credit for their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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