Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 yeah, right... Quote Also unclear is how the script will address the age factor of Ford, who will be 77 years old when the new movie is released on July 19, 2019. The script, for example, could call for the story to be a flashback set in a classic Jones time period (the 1930s) bookended by Jones in later decades. You heard it here first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Dammit Steven, why Koepp again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Koepp then? Meh, at least the hype here will be easier for me to bypass now. The Indy 5 threads I've just set to ignore and Indiana Jones remains a trilogy. Moving along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 They did make a fourth one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 No they rode off into the sunset, I remember it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I LIKE IKE! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Well, judging by the way you're sinking your teeth into those wobble-ews... What horrendously disappointing news. His script for the last one was an absolute turd. No competent screenwriter allows their protagonist to be so utterly irrelevant in a film's final act, least of all when that protagonist is Indiana Freaking Jones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 The Lost World had a good script! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Seriously? Little more then a collection of setpieces and a final act that seems to belong to a different film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Koepp wrote and directed one of my personal favorite movies of the past few years, Premium Rush. It's a great action thriller and super underrated. It stars JGL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Premium Rush is fun, but it's by no means special. Koepp is an extremely hit or miss writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Didn't see that one, but I actually did enjoy Ghost Town which he wrote/directed (funnily enough from the same year as Indy 4) Thing is that even if you do place most of the blame on Lucas, there's nothing that he brought to Indiana Jones that I really want to see again, nothing that wasn't done better in the previous films. Goes for pretty much all of his stuff....what does a Koepp script offer that you can't get anywhere else? Even his sense of humor, which is generally one of the stronger points about his writing, didn't end up suiting Indy very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Maybe Spielberg will bring someone else to rewrite Koepp's draft for Indy 5. Koepp has been rewritten before, i.e. Spider-Man 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Koepp is definitely uneven with his output. I mean, he directed Mortdecai. Plinkett's KOTCS review should be mandatory viewing here (hell, TFA addressed basically every criticism he raised in his prequel reviews). He points out the deep-seated issues with Indy 4 rather than lazily attacking the overuse of CGI or Mutt. Koepp's script mostly works in the first act (barring some weird dialogue and very flat humour) but falls apart as soon as they leave the US, so you wonder how much of the film's unevenness is a result of Lucas, Spielberg, or the dozens of earlier drafts he was forced to draw ideas from. I think the biggest problem is the filmmakers convinced themselves that Indiana Jones films must follow a strict formula of elements, and what resulted was a hollow, over-produced mess with moments of Spielbergian greatness but was overall unsatisfying. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Koepp probably gives good head in Hollywood. Unlucky bastard... Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Don't worry. I'm not making the same mistakes again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 35 minutes ago, crumbs said: Koepp is definitely uneven with his output. I mean, he directed Mortdecai. I did not realize and now take back any positive thing I've ever said about him. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 They should have just hired Damon Lindelof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: They should have just hired Damon Lindelof. He and David Koepp are two names I'm sick of seeing in Hollywood movies. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Seriously surprised that Moffat, Wright and Cornish didn't get the gig. Tintin was easily a superior script to KOTCS. Once and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 That was mostly Hergé! They should have hired him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Did anyone see Michael Crawford resurrect Frank Spencer for a one off Sport Relief Some Mother's Do Ave Em special last night? I'm a huge fan of the actor and his legendary hapless comedy creation, but there was something depressingly sad about seeing him acting the goat again at 74. Too much has changed. Why would Frank Spencer still be behaving in exactly the same way as he was 30 years ago? It doesn't convince anymore, it doesn't work. As much as I enjoyed Han Solo's return, there was something slightly uncomfortable for me about seeing Ford gallivanting around in exactly the same way as he was 30 years earlier, too. Ford will be even older by the time Indy 5 comes around, older than Frank Spencer. It's quite possibly going to be even more embarrassing than Indy 4 was; although on this occasion the blame might be on old man Ford and his delusional vanity. Let it die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,360 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I didn't watch Sport Relief (can't abide the 'funny-bit-sad-bit-funny-bit-sad-bit' structure of those TV charity marathons ... they usually replace a night of programming I would far rather watch too, which I'm afraid I resent somewhat), but I can well believe that the return of Frank Spencer was toe-curling and that an almost 80 year old Indy will probably also be. Ford actually does well in The Force Awakens, but they at least had the wisdom to kill Han off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I avoid all annual TV charity events like the plague and only tuned in to gawk at Crawford. Afterwards though they actually had Danny Dyer presenting from the studio and introducing a film he'd made of his time in Africa... It was brilliant, and goes to show that TV gold comes in many unexpected forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Koepp will probably write a first draft and someone else will rewrite it, I'm sure. Remember TFA with the original scriptwriter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 16 minutes ago, Michael said: Koepp will probably write a first draft and someone else will rewrite it, I'm sure. Remember TFA with the original scriptwriter. Ah Michael Arndt. I always forget about him. For some reason I always think of poor Arzt from Lost when I see his name. Poor Arzt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Disco Stu, you have some Artz on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Oh great, Koepp? He has been involved in a handful of decent movies like Carlito's Way, Stir of Echos, and to a degree, Secret Window. However, he has mostly been mediocre to terrible, and has somehow become Spielberg's screenplay mistress. I wish he would have tapped Darabont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Bring back Kasdan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Darabont's Indy 4 script wasn't that great either. I stopped reading it when he got swallowed whole by a snake. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I don't think anyone had good ideas for Indy IV except for Spielberg, apparently, who at one point was opposed to making it. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 36 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Darabont's Indy 4 script wasn't that great either. I stopped reading it when he got swallowed whole by a snake. Still a better writer than Koepp and it's not even close. If Spielberg and Darabont can work out a story together then I would trust him much more than Koepp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 You can always detect vague, shitty Koepp lines like "not outer space, but the space between spaces". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'm gonna be alright, Jonesy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 And don't say it yet, I want to!... somewhere your grandpa is laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Interdimensional beings in point of fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I never should have doubted you, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 What are you, a triple agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 You know this movie's got no chance when we're openly mocking it before it even gets made. The Koepp effect in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 How come his script for Mission: Impossible was so great and then virtually all the rest isn't? Did DePalma rewrite everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Darabont thought very high about himself. His script was not that great. They could have tried with Kasdan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Vince Gilligan! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 4 hours ago, Drax said: You can always detect vague, shitty Koepp lines like "not outer space, but the space between spaces". That's a pure Lucas idea. All the writers from Indy 4 had the almost impossible task of putting George's all over the place ideas into dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but the film's opening is going to be interesting, seeing as we won't be seeing the Paramount mountain change into a scene at the start of the film. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Luke Skywalker said: Darabont thought very high about himself. His script was not that great. They could have tried with Kasdan though. A Kasdan & Kushner script would have been the stuff of legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Michael said: That's a pure Lucas idea. All the writers from Indy 4 had the almost impossible task of putting George's all over the place ideas into dialogue. But regardless, many if not most people here would argue Koepp is a mostly bad writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Gistech said: I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but the film's opening is going to be interesting, seeing as we won't be seeing the Paramount mountain change into a scene at the start of the film. Of course it was On 3/16/2016 at 6:23 AM, crumbs said: So does this film start with a fade from the Disney castle or Paramount mountain? If the former, maybe we'll see George's haunted castle opener after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The whole "inter-dimensional beings" crap was purely because Berg refused to call them aliens, and that was George's compromise. At least, according to the BTS doco. It just confuses the mess of a script even further. So they're intergalactic beings from another dimension... that makes them aliens! I'm looking forward to the setting though. I enjoyed the way Spielberg integrated the 50s into KOTCS. The character Indiana Jones is an interesting contrast to the world of the 60's, so it'd be nice to see another maturation of the costume (ala the tie in TLC). Humphrey Bogart's latter years would be a cool inspiration (ignoring the fact he, well, died in 1957). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Gistech said: I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but the film's opening is going to be interesting, seeing as we won't be seeing the Paramount mountain change into a scene at the start of the film. Maybe the movie will start with the Paramount Mountain changing into the Disney castle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The Avengers had the Paramount logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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