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Great news! Love this piece
That will be the 4th recording of it, right? I wonder if it will have any reworked passages, like the cello concerto...
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Sad news. As for as I know, my only CD of his was a recording of Pini di Roma (with other assorted pieces), but that one I listened to quite a lot back then.
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It's been a long time since I've listened to the OST, and for all the years I've had the 2012 LLL, I can't remember listening to it more than once or twice, so I can't really make any informed comparisons right now... suffice to say, over the last few days I've listened to this set several times already, and it is simply marvelous. In the past I've found the score a bit overwhelming in its wealth of themes and setpieces, but somehow this new presentation makes it a varied and satisfying listen throughout. Not to mention the songs on the last disc giving so much more context to the theme usage in the film! (The only critical observation I could make would be that for my ears, the music and lyrics of the songs sometimes don't mesh very well on a micro-level - the stresses/accents of the text differ from those of the melody...)
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This score hits one of my Horner nostalgia soft spots, as it was one of the first Horner scores I discovered (back in the browsing-in-shelves way of things), and clichéd as it may be (hello Carmen!), it's just so much fun to listen to
. Even though I pretty much consider the album already very comprehensive, this is an immediate order for me.
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On 06/11/2023 at 8:37 PM, Jay said:
The initial pressings of the "Complete Recordings" releases contained the same musical program as the CDs on a bonus DVD-Audio disc in higher resolution & surround sound. Note that these were specifically the "DVD-Audio" format, meaning they wouldn't play in a standard DVD player.
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Unless there were multiple versions back when they came out, I believe that's inaccurate - they're normal DVDs (the 3rd one double-sided) with stereo and 5.1 audio tracks, and animated menus showing arted-up images from the corresponding scenes during playback.
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yay: it arrived today!
yay: no further taxes collected (so I just paid the $4.75 they charged when ordering)
meh: a crack in the front of the jewel case... oh well
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I'd totally buy King Kong, but The Village or Signs would also be nice
(guessing it's something completely different ;))
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3 hours ago, Ricard said:
The book's title is a reference to the film's original title, which was used for its premiere at the Cannes Film Festival and retained for the novelization published shortly after the release. The name of the OST track is based on the original title.
https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/f/e-t-the-extra-terrestrial-in-his-adventure-on-earth/
Very interesting - that totally gives the impression of being the setup for an "...and his adventures in space" series
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A very arcane detail, but something about the sound of the Archimedes theme at 1:24 in "Centuries join hands" intrigues me - it appears to be a horn(s) line with added flute octave and harp accents, but something about it sounds more noble/open/round than other comparable passages... I'm curious if that might be wagner tuba instead, or just quietly doubled by trombone (?)
(Generally after more repeated listens this score reveals more and more intricate details, especially in the less "obvious" places... a real gem)
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9 minutes ago, Tydirium said:
How so? I didn’t even buy a single copy...
I'm sorry, that was just a reaction to the idea of buying limited editions explicitly to resell them for a profit, which I can't stand.
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On 19/07/2023 at 7:04 PM, Tydirium said:(maybe even a couple copies, to sell one if it becomes a collector’s item!).
Congratulations, you're part of the problem.
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I'm still bummed I missed this performance a few months ago just an hour from where I live, but thankfully they put it online:
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16 hours ago, ymenard said:
On a similar note, I would really love to have a live concert experience where there are no movie sound dialogue/sfx, just a silent movie projected with subtitles and the orchestra playing. Just imagine going to the concert hall, watching TESB done that way!!!
1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said:Or one day perhaps everyone has glasse/earbuds that feed the film image and overlayed dialogue/FX VR-style while still allowing the orchestra to be seen and heard. Those that prefer the pure music experience simply don't put their devices on.
Exactly this idea came to my mind at my last LtP concert! (RotJ in January, with much too loud sound effects for a reverberant concert hall) - Provide open-ear earbuds (so the orchestra still comes through clearly when put on) attached to devices with audio track selection - that way anyone can choose to hear the sfx and/or original/dubbed dialogue track according to their preference - or just take it off and enjoy the score, unamplified (depending on venue). This would also help too keep dialogue/sfx dry instead of reverberating through the hall.
One can dream...
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Finally got this CD! After my initial euphoria about its release was tempered a lot by the reported issues, I kept holding out hoping for a corrected pressing, but I guess that will remain futile for the forseeable future, so the release of Aladdin was as good an opportunity as any to order it at last (and save a bit on shipping costs).
Enough has been posted here about the shortcomings of the release, so I won't dwell on that here. But the expanded score is a joy to listen to! (Just the prepending of score tracks at the beginning of several songs is a headscratcher...) And I really enjoy the multiple stages of demo tracks (piano demo + synth demo), which, as in several previous LC releases, allow a great glimpse behind the process of creation - especially regarding later replaced/refined sections of familiar songs!
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1 hour ago, Chen G. said:
Its sad to think the downfall of Numenore won't be scored with a version of the main nature theme: think how powerful it would have been that this theme we associate with the Eagles and the Moth and the Rohirrim coming to the rescue would also be attached to the great cataclysm of Numenore.
Those two go really well together, actually:
(thanks for the idea ;))
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On 13/09/2022 at 4:19 PM, TolkienSS said:
You are the hero who made those Return Of The King transcriptions last decade that I still use, right?
Nice to hear it's been useful, though
On 14/09/2022 at 1:04 PM, Chen G. said:Its very hard to make those connections stick because Shore's scores are so big that he invariably uses a great number of basic musical building-blocks for his score, and so its absolutely inevitable that some of them should end in Bear's score, but because the overall style is so different, the context isn't there to hear those resemblences as more than incidental.
There are only so many basic intervals!
As much as I still love the original LotR scores, by creating a myriad of very rudimentary motifs, Shore definitely made it very easy to now find them everywhere, intended or not
. But put it this way: Not every repeated minor second is a quote from Jaws, but if it's played by the bass and you see a fish on screen, you might be on to something.
For now I'm enjoying a lot of the RoP score, although for my taste the themes could have been introduced more gradually and less fully-formed - but who knows, for all we know there are still things tucked away in there that come to bloom later
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13 hours ago, Poor_Man_S_HirschFeld said:
Wasn't one of the biggest motivators for John Williams to start releasing official sheet music exactly the plethora of bad arrangements that started circulating after the success of Star Wars?
I believe musicians call these 'take downs' and I remember reading somewhere that Williams is not very happy with the practice.
This was mentioned by a member of the LSO in one of the "Legacy of John Williams" episodes. "John has a horror of takedowns, so he prepares the Signature Editions to make sure the real music is available" or something like that
19 hours ago, Drew said:Like I was saying earlier, several sheet music publishers now have self-publishing. There is no way the copyright holders can approve each arrangement. It's legal because the music is licensed beforehand. Like, the copyright holders send them cue lists that can be arranged. It's not stealing.
JW was surely getting royalties from licensed third party arrangements before the takedown.
21 hours ago, Drew said:There are two ways to get copyright clearance. One is to pay a fee and get a license. The second is to ask the copyright holders. You can get a license, legally sell something, but then the copyright holders send takedown notices anyway. That's what happened here.
This is how distributing cover songs works. You pay a distributor to get the license. But at any time, the copyright holders can take down your music.
13 hours ago, Poor_Man_S_HirschFeld said:I can understand the frustration in seeing a lot of 'crowd-sourced' sheet music disappearing (either when it's shared for free or for money), but I think it's a prerogative of the publishers and authors to keep a good degree of control. The ease of access that digital technology allowed kind of spoiled us into thinking we are owed to find anything we desire.
2 hours ago, Drew said:No one should care about the bad transcriptions made by 13 year olds. Having those is a consequence of being a famous composer.
I have the impression that a lot of different things get thrown together here (quotes as examples).
- No one (usually) *does* care about *performed* transcriptions (as audio) on youtube.
- Releasing (paid) "covers" (as audio) of officially released tracks is (afaik) covered (:P) by a "compulsory" license (-> the copyright holder can't prevent it, but gets a mandatory royalty).
- For live performance you need to pay the composer's performance rights organization, in addition to buying or renting (often for a hefty fee) the official materials (I'm unsure if they can prevent a performance based on an "accurate" transcription? This may fall in a similar case as aforementioned straight *covers* are generally allowed, but "derivative works" like medleys, mashups, lyrics changes etc. need an explicit individual license).
- Sharing (for free) self-made arrangements informally seems to be some kind of a gray area (as long as it's not on a large scale) (?)
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*Selling* unauthorized arrangements (as sheet music) is the crucial case here - and I was generally under the impression that, at least until a few years ago, this was not allowed at all without individually requesting and getting a license (like Marc P. back in the day describing unsuccessfully trying to get his awesome JW horn medleys published). But on that point I do agree that the composer/publisher are fully in their rights to control/allow/disallow others from profiting off their work (without compensation) as they see fit.
Regarding the recent "blanket license" some online sheet retailers seem to have for publishing arrangements - when I looked into the conditions for sheetmusicplus's service (something like 2 years ago), they indeed had a long list/database of tracks from all kinds of composers that they have an automatic royalty sharing deal with (and note, the deal is: you get 10%, the authors get the rest!). Bear McCreary, for example, was in there, among many others I searched - John Williams, though, was not.
(disclaimer: I have read a lot about these topics, but am not in any way certain any of this is actually correct
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On 08/09/2022 at 10:17 PM, Luke Skywalker said:
I would love to hear an answer to that myself. I asked music emporium about tax (i made a mock order and in the theceipt it puts a line about tax.. amd the response from support is that that line is there to pay vat, so i dont have to pay vat at customs in spain. Which is totally what wont happen. If inpay in the US the spanish customs will make me pay me in spain… and it would be I who would have tonask to be returned the US tax from the seller… which wont happen either. Unless im getting international taxes wrong.
I'm also no expert on this and post/tax/customs matters can (in my experience) be very hit and miss, but as far as I understand, the receiver has to pay the import tax, UNLESS the sender already paid it - which should be the case with big online retailers (aka Disney (?)) more than small shops (specialty labels etc.). But it's always a gamble...
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On 10/09/2022 at 8:09 PM, TolkienSS said:
More like this:.
On 11/09/2022 at 1:54 AM, TolkienSS said:Humor aside, if Bear thinks there is no Numenorean culture left in Lord of the Rings, both the books and the films, he clearly didn't look.
This is of course most likely a complete coincidence, but the motif at 0:46 in the posted clip bears a striking resemblance to the beginning of Bear's Númenor theme:
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QuoteThat's like saying Durin IV doesn't appear anywhere in Lord of the Rings, so you can write for him a wacky pub dance ... oh wait
I really don't understand this "wacky pub dance" or "hobbit music" comment regarding Durin's theme. It sounds much more like a baroque court dance, which given his noble status is quite fitting. Just because Shore used the "um-pa-pa-(rest)" accompaniment for hobbits doesn't make it a hobbit rhythm for all eternity
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On 05/08/2022 at 3:48 PM, WampaRat said:
This section in “Corellia Chase” (1:34-1:55) is probably still my favorite moment in the score (in a score chalk full of favorite moments) The string counterpoint dancing all around the Solo theme is just pure adventurous bliss! (PS- I believe Batu Sener helped with this cue!)
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Not to forget that the String counterpoint itself Starts Off as a Variation of Han's Theme!
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Omni Music Publishing Updates
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I visited the Schott Music store in London this week - nice to see that they stock some of the Omni books on location
Bought Wrath of Khan, and made sure to express my interest in them carrying more Omni editions in the future!