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WRONG.
 
They're also about the taxation of trade routes. Pull yourself together.

The prequels are! 

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People saying Pemberton has been hard done by, fair enough. Across the Spider-Verse is much more listenable than than the first one. But in my opinion, that’s all it is. It’s like Barbie in a way. It’s fine, but should it be in an awards conversation? No way. Incidentally I think his work on Enola Holmes is much more interesting.
 
It is quite difficult to compare DoD to the other nominations because simply put, there is nothing in the other scores that even comes close to the complexities of structure and orchestration of DoD. JW is just simply from another era and his process is just so different.

To semi-quote Alan Partridge: “Give him another Oscar you shits!”

Huh? Genuinely puzzled by this. The award isn’t for the composer who reaches/tops their previous work; it’s for the best score of a given year… It’s entirely possible for JW to write a score that “doesn’t reach the heights of his most classic works,” and for that score to still happen to be better than the other contenders...

A 2023 JW score shouldn't have to compare against JW's best work to earn a nomination. It should only have to compare against other 2023 scores. I love the DoD score but I think even its strongest defenders will acknowledge it cannot match his 1981 - 1989 output or even perhaps KOTCS. But that's not the point of the Oscars. It should only be nominated for its merits as a 2023 score and not as a score when benchmarked against the composer's greatest works. 

At 6:03 in this video, this imbecile says that there was not a single original composition in the entire Dial of Destiny score. What tiny amount of respect and good will I had for this guy disappeared in an instant. I usually prefer to restrain myself, but this fucking moron is so dense it’s unbelievable. I can’t even put into words how much his asinine comments rubbed me the wrong way.
 
After all the JW-hate going around due to his latest nomination, I thought to revisit the Dial score myself for the first time in a few months. Literally after the opening few minutes of the Prologue, I completely understand why this was nominated and even deserves a win. It’s incredible music, more sophisticated, evocative and thematically/orchestrally-competent than any other film score of 2023. And I personally love Ludwig’s Oppenheimer score! But to say JW doesn’t deserve a nomination for Dial on its own merits demonstrates the highest level of musical ignorance.
 
Also, Schaffrillas goes on to claim that there’s no way JW even wrote the Dial score because he’s “fucking 90 years old”. Once again, a relatively influential voice on the internet spreading the completely baseless lie that JW doesn’t write his own music anymore. The man has more talent and creativity than 10 other film composers put together, and for goodness’ sake, he’s in good health and touring the freaking world conducting symphony orchestras! So he’s more than capable of writing his own music, even if he uses a little additional help now and then, like he has done on several projects over the years (so it’s nothing new).
 
Just because he’s been nominated so frequently in the past for the incredible music he’s written does not mean he has no right to be nominated for his next masterwork. Imagine saying an incredible athlete shouldn’t be allowed to win the gold medal this year because they’ve won so many in the past and it’s time to give someone else a shot. Come on!! 
 
For all the talk of JW-bias, I sense a stronger than usual amount of anti-JW sentiment in much of the discussion I’ve seen online. And frankly, people being salty and flat out mad that a 91 year-old film composing legend is being nominated for an Oscar for an outstanding score, even if it’s for a less than stellar film, is baffling to me.

At 6:03 in this video, this imbecile says that there was not a single original composition in the entire Dial of Destiny score. What tiny amount of respect and good will I had for this guy disappeared in an instant. I usually prefer to restrain myself, but this fucking moron is so dense it’s unbelievable. I can’t even put into words how much his asinine comments rubbed me the wrong way.
 
After all the JW-hate going around due to his latest nomination, I thought to revisit the Dial score myself for the first time in a few months. Literally after the opening few minutes of the Prologue, I completely understand why this was nominated and even deserves a win. It’s incredible music, more sophisticated, evocative and thematically/orchestrally-competent than any other film score of 2023. And I personally love Ludwig’s Oppenheimer score! But to say JW doesn’t deserve a nomination for Dial on its own merits demonstrates the highest level of musical ignorance.
 
Also, Schaffrillas goes on to claim that there’s no way JW even wrote the Dial score because he’s “fucking 90 years old”. Once again, a relatively influential voice on the internet spreading the completely baseless lie that JW doesn’t write his own music anymore. The man has more talent and creativity than 10 other film composers put together, and for goodness’ sake, he’s in good health and touring the freaking world conducting symphony orchestras! So he’s more than capable of writing his own music, even if he uses a little additional help now and then, like he has done on several projects over the years (so it’s nothing new).
 
Just because he’s been nominated so frequently in the past for the incredible music he’s written does not mean he has no right to be nominated for his next masterwork. Imagine saying an incredible athlete shouldn’t be allowed to win the gold medal this year because they’ve won so many in the past and it’s time to give someone else a shot. Come on!! 
 
For all the talk of JW-bias, I sense a stronger than usual amount of anti-JW sentiment in much of the discussion I’ve seen online. And frankly, people being salty and flat out mad that a 91 year-old film composing legend is being nominated for an Oscar for an outstanding score, even if it’s for a less than stellar film, is baffling to me.

At 6:03 in this video, this imbecile says that there was not a single original composition in the entire Dial of Destiny score. What tiny amount of respect and good will I had for this guy disappeared in an instant. I usually prefer to restrain myself, but this fucking moron is so dense it’s unbelievable. I can’t even put into words how much his asinine comments rubbed me the wrong way.
 
After all the JW-hate going around due to his latest nomination, I thought to revisit the Dial score myself for the first time in a few months. Literally after the opening few minutes of the Prologue, I completely understand why this was nominated and even deserves a win. It’s incredible music, more sophisticated, evocative and thematically/orchestrally-competent than any other film score of 2023. And I personally love Ludwig’s Oppenheimer score! But to say JW doesn’t deserve a nomination for Dial on its own merits demonstrates the highest level of musical ignorance.
 
Also, Schaffrillas goes on to claim that there’s no way JW even wrote the Dial score because he’s “fucking 90 years old”. Once again, a relatively influential voice on the internet spreading the completely baseless lie that JW doesn’t write his own music anymore. The man has more talent and creativity than 10 other film composers put together, and for goodness’ sake, he’s in good health and touring the freaking world conducting symphony orchestras! So he’s more than capable of writing his own music, even if he uses a little additional help now and then, like he has done on several projects over the years (so it’s nothing new).
 
Just because he’s been nominated so frequently in the past for the incredible music he’s written does not mean he has no right to be nominated for his next masterwork. Imagine saying an incredible athlete shouldn’t be allowed to win the gold medal this year because they’ve won so many in the past and it’s time to give someone else a shot. Come on!! 
 
For all the talk of JW-bias, I sense a stronger than usual amount of anti-JW sentiment in much of the discussion I’ve seen online. And frankly, people being salty and flat out mad that a 91 year-old film composing legend is being nominated for an Oscar for an outstanding score, even if it’s for a less than stellar film, is baffling to me.

The primary difference would be John's score would be better written, and hence deserving of a nomination.

At 6:03 in this video, this imbecile says that there was not a single original composition in the entire Dial of Destiny score. What tiny amount of respect and good will I had for this guy disappeared in an instant. I usually prefer to restrain myself, but this fucking moron is so dense it’s unbelievable. I can’t even put into words how much his asinine comments rubbed me the wrong way.
 
After all the JW-hate going around due to his latest nomination, I thought to revisit the Dial score myself for the first time in a few months. Literally after the opening few minutes of the Prologue, I completely understand why this was nominated and even deserves a win. It’s incredible music, more sophisticated, evocative and thematically/orchestrally-competent than any other film score of 2023. And I personally love Ludwig’s Oppenheimer score! But to say JW doesn’t deserve a nomination for Dial on its own merits demonstrates the highest level of musical ignorance.
 
Also, Schaffrillas goes on to claim that there’s no way JW even wrote the Dial score because he’s “fucking 90 years old”. Once again, a relatively influential voice on the internet spreading the completely baseless lie that JW doesn’t write his own music anymore. The man has more talent and creativity than 10 other film composers put together, and for goodness’ sake, he’s in good health and touring the freaking world conducting symphony orchestras! So he’s more than capable of writing his own music, even if he uses a little additional help now and then, like he has done on several projects over the years (so it’s nothing new).
 
Just because he’s been nominated so frequently in the past for the incredible music he’s written does not mean he has no right to be nominated for his next masterwork. Imagine saying an incredible athlete shouldn’t be allowed to win the gold medal this year because they’ve won so many in the past and it’s time to give someone else a shot. Come on!! 
 
For all the talk of JW-bias, I sense a stronger than usual amount of anti-JW sentiment in much of the discussion I’ve seen online. And frankly, people being salty and flat out mad that a 91 year-old film composing legend is being nominated for an Oscar for an outstanding score, even if it’s for a less than stellar film, is baffling to me.

The primary difference would be John's score would be better written, and hence deserving of a nomination.

Yes, what each of us personally finds "thrilling" is subjective, as is what each of us finds emotionally stirring. Some people might find an RCP power anthem or a pop song thrilling, and that is perfectly legitimate. Our emotional responses are all different.
 
With that in mind, listeners must also consider the objective elements of compositional craft (melodic construction, harmony, chord voicings, orchestration, thematic application, etc.) when trying to properly judge film music, and I (and many other listeners) note Williams to be miles ahead of the rest of today's composers in that regard. You might not personally find each and every score he writes to be as emotionally engaging as what you consider to be his best (i.e. The Quidditch Match), but by that same standard, you also can't say that they aren't emotionally engaging to other listeners (or even a majority of listeners, as you yourself identified in your post).
 
BTW I couldn't care less about the Oscars - I think it's mostly a lot of nonsense and is no guarantee of quality. I'm just stunned by the view that the Dial of Destiny score is less worthy than the other nominees because John Williams has been nominated in the past or because it isn't as iconic as other celebrated scores he's written. 

Yes, what each of us personally finds "thrilling" is subjective, as is what each of us finds emotionally stirring. Some people might find an RCP power anthem or a pop song thrilling, and that is perfectly legitimate. Our emotional responses are all different.
 
With that in mind, listeners must also consider the objective elements of compositional craft (melodic construction, harmony, chord voicings, orchestration, thematic application, etc.) when trying to properly judge film music, and I (and many other listeners) note Williams to be miles ahead of the rest of today's composers in that regard. You might not personally find each and every score he writes to be as emotionally engaging as what you consider to be his best (i.e. The Quidditch Match), but by that same standard, you also can't say that they aren't emotionally engaging to other listeners (or even a majority of listeners, as you yourself identified in your post).
 
BTW I couldn't care less about the Oscars - I think it's mostly a lot of nonsense and is no guarantee of quality. I'm just stunned by the view that the Dial of Destiny score is less worthy than the other nominees because John Williams has been nominated in the past or because it isn't as iconic as other celebrated scores he's written. 

At 6:03 in this video, this imbecile says that there was not a single original composition in the entire Dial of Destiny score. What tiny amount of respect and good will I had for this guy disappeared in an instant. I usually prefer to restrain myself, but this fucking moron is so dense it’s unbelievable. I can’t even put into words how much his asinine comments rubbed me the wrong way.
 
After all the JW-hate going around due to his latest nomination, I thought to revisit the Dial score myself for the first time in a few months. Literally after the opening few minutes of the Prologue, I completely understand why this was nominated and even deserves a win. It’s incredible music, more sophisticated, evocative and thematically/orchestrally-competent than any other film score of 2023. And I personally love Ludwig’s Oppenheimer score! But to say JW doesn’t deserve a nomination for Dial on its own merits demonstrates the highest level of musical ignorance.
 
Also, Schaffrillas goes on to claim that there’s no way JW even wrote the Dial score because he’s “fucking 90 years old”. Once again, a relatively influential voice on the internet spreading the completely baseless lie that JW doesn’t write his own music anymore. The man has more talent and creativity than 10 other film composers put together, and for goodness’ sake, he’s in good health and touring the freaking world conducting symphony orchestras! So he’s more than capable of writing his own music, even if he uses a little additional help now and then, like he has done on several projects over the years (so it’s nothing new).
 
Just because he’s been nominated so frequently in the past for the incredible music he’s written does not mean he has no right to be nominated for his next masterwork. Imagine saying an incredible athlete shouldn’t be allowed to win the gold medal this year because they’ve won so many in the past and it’s time to give someone else a shot. Come on!! 
 
For all the talk of JW-bias, I sense a stronger than usual amount of anti-JW sentiment in much of the discussion I’ve seen online. And frankly, people being salty and flat out mad that a 91 year-old film composing legend is being nominated for an Oscar for an outstanding score, even if it’s for a less than stellar film, is baffling to me.

Yes, what each of us personally finds "thrilling" is subjective, as is what each of us finds emotionally stirring. Some people might find an RCP power anthem or a pop song thrilling, and that is perfectly legitimate. Our emotional responses are all different.
 
With that in mind, listeners must also consider the objective elements of compositional craft (melodic construction, harmony, chord voicings, orchestration, thematic application, etc.) when trying to properly judge film music, and I (and many other listeners) note Williams to be miles ahead of the rest of today's composers in that regard. You might not personally find each and every score he writes to be as emotionally engaging as what you consider to be his best (i.e. The Quidditch Match), but by that same standard, you also can't say that they aren't emotionally engaging to other listeners (or even a majority of listeners, as you yourself identified in your post).
 
BTW I couldn't care less about the Oscars - I think it's mostly a lot of nonsense and is no guarantee of quality. I'm just stunned by the view that the Dial of Destiny score is less worthy than the other nominees because John Williams has been nominated in the past or because it isn't as iconic as other celebrated scores he's written. 

Yes, what each of us personally finds "thrilling" is subjective, as is what each of us finds emotionally stirring. Some people might find an RCP power anthem or a pop song thrilling, and that is perfectly legitimate. Our emotional responses are all different.
 
With that in mind, listeners must also consider the objective elements of compositional craft (melodic construction, harmony, chord voicings, orchestration, thematic application, etc.) when trying to properly judge film music, and I (and many other listeners) note Williams to be miles ahead of the rest of today's composers in that regard. You might not personally find each and every score he writes to be as emotionally engaging as what you consider to be his best (i.e. The Quidditch Match), but by that same standard, you also can't say that they aren't emotionally engaging to other listeners (or even a majority of listeners, as you yourself identified in your post).
 
BTW I couldn't care less about the Oscars - I think it's mostly a lot of nonsense and is no guarantee of quality. I'm just stunned by the view that the Dial of Destiny score is less worthy than the other nominees because John Williams has been nominated in the past or because it isn't as iconic as other celebrated scores he's written. 

The primary difference would be John's score would be better written, and hence deserving of a nomination.

At 6:03 in this video, this imbecile says that there was not a single original composition in the entire Dial of Destiny score. What tiny amount of respect and good will I had for this guy disappeared in an instant. I usually prefer to restrain myself, but this fucking moron is so dense it’s unbelievable. I can’t even put into words how much his asinine comments rubbed me the wrong way.
 
After all the JW-hate going around due to his latest nomination, I thought to revisit the Dial score myself for the first time in a few months. Literally after the opening few minutes of the Prologue, I completely understand why this was nominated and even deserves a win. It’s incredible music, more sophisticated, evocative and thematically/orchestrally-competent than any other film score of 2023. And I personally love Ludwig’s Oppenheimer score! But to say JW doesn’t deserve a nomination for Dial on its own merits demonstrates the highest level of musical ignorance.
 
Also, Schaffrillas goes on to claim that there’s no way JW even wrote the Dial score because he’s “fucking 90 years old”. Once again, a relatively influential voice on the internet spreading the completely baseless lie that JW doesn’t write his own music anymore. The man has more talent and creativity than 10 other film composers put together, and for goodness’ sake, he’s in good health and touring the freaking world conducting symphony orchestras! So he’s more than capable of writing his own music, even if he uses a little additional help now and then, like he has done on several projects over the years (so it’s nothing new).
 
Just because he’s been nominated so frequently in the past for the incredible music he’s written does not mean he has no right to be nominated for his next masterwork. Imagine saying an incredible athlete shouldn’t be allowed to win the gold medal this year because they’ve won so many in the past and it’s time to give someone else a shot. Come on!! 
 
For all the talk of JW-bias, I sense a stronger than usual amount of anti-JW sentiment in much of the discussion I’ve seen online. And frankly, people being salty and flat out mad that a 91 year-old film composing legend is being nominated for an Oscar for an outstanding score, even if it’s for a less than stellar film, is baffling to me.

The primary difference would be John's score would be better written, and hence deserving of a nomination.

As the music branch is obviously comprised of composers, I think it is reasonable to say that they recognised the technical complexity and musical mastery of DoD which non-musical commentators would not be aware of.
 
It reminds me of reviews I see on YT for cameras by professional photographers. I often see comments saying that iPhone cameras are much better but the professional photographer will have a whole different criteria for judging a camera compared to the general public.

The primary difference would be John's score would be better written, and hence deserving of a nomination.