Nick Parker

In response to several posts, I'm taking the liberty of creating this thread as a response to a problem plaguing a number of members here: SWD, Star Wars Disenchantment. It's a common problem, but one that need not dominate your life, or that of your friends and family. 
 
This thread serves multiple purposes: as a place for people with SWD to air their grievances, find solace and community with fellow sufferers, and for those without SWD to air their own voice, if they're so inclined. We're all about tearing down walls here. 
 
If you suffer from SWD, or know someone who suffers from SWD, please refer them to this thread, where their voice can be properly heard.
 
Thank you all, I wish you all a great day.

In response to several posts, I'm taking the liberty of creating this thread as a response to a problem plaguing a number of members here: SWD, Star Wars Disenchantment. It's a common problem, but one that need not dominate your life, or that of your friends and family. 
 
This thread serves multiple purposes: as a place for people with SWD to air their grievances, find solace and community with fellow sufferers, and for those without SWD to air their own voice, if they're so inclined. We're all about tearing down walls here. 
 
If you suffer from SWD, or know someone who suffers from SWD, please refer them to this thread, where their voice can be properly heard.
 
Thank you all, I wish you all a great day.

I thought we were avoiding talking about Solo because we didn't want to remind TGP and kaseykockroach about their sex life. 

I thought we were avoiding talking about Solo because we didn't want to remind TGP and kaseykockroach about their sex life. 

In The Last Jedi, you have a former iconic, legendary hero in seclusion because he was so harsh on himself that he considered his failure with his pupil so irredeemable that he believed any further involvement he took would lead a cycle of destruction and futility. So he did the right thing, in his mind's grandiose vision of the Force and its relation to the galaxy and its inhabitants. 
 
Through the course of the film, he realizes that after decades his head was still in the clouds, and that his failure was not an obstacle to being a hero but a natural part of it, and was something to accept and move forward with. In the end, he embraces his role as a legendary hero, his place in the present, and gains a renewed sense of optimism and purpose, showing that, to paraphrase Nichiren Daishonin, with one strike of light, a cave can be illuminated even after eons of darkness.
 
If that's superficial and lazy, I wish more Hollywood films were.
 
With that said, @SF1_freeze, I'm genuinely curious: why do you detest the new Star Wars so much? You have a problem with how they fit in with the past films and universe, which is a problem I have with The Force Awakens, for sure. Is that a really high priority for you? Do you find a lot of Star Wars fans to hold a similar view? Are there other major reasons why you dislike them?
 

True story: I bought this CD about ten years ago when I was in high school, and was listening to it on the school bus one day when a stoner kid sat down next to me. Even through my headphones I could hear thrashing music blaring out of his earbuds. He looked me and asked what I was listening to. I gave my headphones to him and played track 10, which begins with that beautiful piano solo. The kid absolutely loved it, and from that day we became very good acquaintances throughout the rest of high school.
 
John Williams talks about the surprise of people still going to concerts to listen to Star Wars, but he never talks about random high school kids becoming friends over a Razzie nominated score!

In The Last Jedi, you have a former iconic, legendary hero in seclusion because he was so harsh on himself that he considered his failure with his pupil so irredeemable that he believed any further involvement he took would lead a cycle of destruction and futility. So he did the right thing, in his mind's grandiose vision of the Force and its relation to the galaxy and its inhabitants. 
 
Through the course of the film, he realizes that after decades his head was still in the clouds, and that his failure was not an obstacle to being a hero but a natural part of it, and was something to accept and move forward with. In the end, he embraces his role as a legendary hero, his place in the present, and gains a renewed sense of optimism and purpose, showing that, to paraphrase Nichiren Daishonin, with one strike of light, a cave can be illuminated even after eons of darkness.
 
If that's superficial and lazy, I wish more Hollywood films were.
 
With that said, @SF1_freeze, I'm genuinely curious: why do you detest the new Star Wars so much? You have a problem with how they fit in with the past films and universe, which is a problem I have with The Force Awakens, for sure. Is that a really high priority for you? Do you find a lot of Star Wars fans to hold a similar view? Are there other major reasons why you dislike them?
 

In The Last Jedi, you have a former iconic, legendary hero in seclusion because he was so harsh on himself that he considered his failure with his pupil so irredeemable that he believed any further involvement he took would lead a cycle of destruction and futility. So he did the right thing, in his mind's grandiose vision of the Force and its relation to the galaxy and its inhabitants. 
 
Through the course of the film, he realizes that after decades his head was still in the clouds, and that his failure was not an obstacle to being a hero but a natural part of it, and was something to accept and move forward with. In the end, he embraces his role as a legendary hero, his place in the present, and gains a renewed sense of optimism and purpose, showing that, to paraphrase Nichiren Daishonin, with one strike of light, a cave can be illuminated even after eons of darkness.
 
If that's superficial and lazy, I wish more Hollywood films were.
 
With that said, @SF1_freeze, I'm genuinely curious: why do you detest the new Star Wars so much? You have a problem with how they fit in with the past films and universe, which is a problem I have with The Force Awakens, for sure. Is that a really high priority for you? Do you find a lot of Star Wars fans to hold a similar view? Are there other major reasons why you dislike them?
 

In The Last Jedi, you have a former iconic, legendary hero in seclusion because he was so harsh on himself that he considered his failure with his pupil so irredeemable that he believed any further involvement he took would lead a cycle of destruction and futility. So he did the right thing, in his mind's grandiose vision of the Force and its relation to the galaxy and its inhabitants. 
 
Through the course of the film, he realizes that after decades his head was still in the clouds, and that his failure was not an obstacle to being a hero but a natural part of it, and was something to accept and move forward with. In the end, he embraces his role as a legendary hero, his place in the present, and gains a renewed sense of optimism and purpose, showing that, to paraphrase Nichiren Daishonin, with one strike of light, a cave can be illuminated even after eons of darkness.
 
If that's superficial and lazy, I wish more Hollywood films were.
 
With that said, @SF1_freeze, I'm genuinely curious: why do you detest the new Star Wars so much? You have a problem with how they fit in with the past films and universe, which is a problem I have with The Force Awakens, for sure. Is that a really high priority for you? Do you find a lot of Star Wars fans to hold a similar view? Are there other major reasons why you dislike them?
 

I didn't mean to imply a qualitive hierarchy, I only meant to say that it's a perspective film score fans can ignore or discredit. Most composers I know, except for squares like Walter Piston (great composer), discuss music in a more abstract/general sense.

We need to go Beneath-the-Planet-of-the-Apes-ending on this thread's ass.

Plus, the fallen disillusioned hero is such a classic mythological archetype, it really fit in nicely with the myth-inspired nature of much of the saga.  Just felt like the right choice.
 
And then the "We are what they grow beyond" scene with Yoda legit brings me close to tears.  beautifully done

Hey, a dude's alright when stuff like this is on his worst!
 
 
 
The main theme actually reminds me as a cousin of stuff like The Fury and Seven Years in Tibet, interesting that you find it funny. Is it the harpsichord thing at the beginning? It has a little Italian flair to me.

True story: I bought this CD about ten years ago when I was in high school, and was listening to it on the school bus one day when a stoner kid sat down next to me. Even through my headphones I could hear thrashing music blaring out of his earbuds. He looked me and asked what I was listening to. I gave my headphones to him and played track 10, which begins with that beautiful piano solo. The kid absolutely loved it, and from that day we became very good acquaintances throughout the rest of high school.
 
John Williams talks about the surprise of people still going to concerts to listen to Star Wars, but he never talks about random high school kids becoming friends over a Razzie nominated score!

The Last Jedi; good film.

The Last Jedi; good film.

Lucas was/is political up the wazoo. Listen to his audio commentaries and it's like every scene of the prequels is a play on some modern political event (Vietnam to then present, as you say). It could've been really cool if he wrote it better!

Yo, say what? Fascinating that such a gentle hard-working man like John Williams can attract a good number of weirdos on a forum dedicated to him.

Don't know what thread to post this in, but this song really touches me, almost to tears.
 
 
Steely Dan is one of those things, like Joni Mitchell and Michael Jackson, where the music and lyrics create such a powerful confluence, both pushing the other to greater heights than either element by its lonesome.

Film music should be felt and not heard! 

Film music should be felt and not heard! 

Film music should be felt and not heard! 

I've heard legit criticism of The Last Jedi, and think there's extreme reactionism on the side of people who like the movie ("you only dislike it because it twisted with your expectations!"). That said, the amount of vitriol is genuinely eye-widening to me. People tearing up Rian Johnson as a person with such nasty insults. And even here on JWFan you have people treating the movie as an unmitigated dumpster fire that pisses all over Star Wars. 
 
And my question is why? What is it about The Last Jedi that was so iconoclastic or disrepectful to the past movies, that warrants those kinds of reactions? I genuinely want to know from someone who hates the movie and considers it a betrayal to Star Wars.

As films, I agree that the prequels, particularly the first two, certainly haven't gotten better with age.
 
But I will say this...the new films at least let me appreciate more what Lucas was trying to do (not that he always succeeded) with the PT. The prequels don't look like the OT, they don't follow the same plot beats, the characters and situations are different, etc.  Credit George for attempting to give us something different and expand that universe...whereas it actually felt like it contracted a bit with TFA (which is nonetheless less a better film than TPM or AOTC).

I've heard legit criticism of The Last Jedi, and think there's extreme reactionism on the side of people who like the movie ("you only dislike it because it twisted with your expectations!"). That said, the amount of vitriol is genuinely eye-widening to me. People tearing up Rian Johnson as a person with such nasty insults. And even here on JWFan you have people treating the movie as an unmitigated dumpster fire that pisses all over Star Wars. 
 
And my question is why? What is it about The Last Jedi that was so iconoclastic or disrepectful to the past movies, that warrants those kinds of reactions? I genuinely want to know from someone who hates the movie and considers it a betrayal to Star Wars.