indy4 155 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Is the ominous music from 0:31-0:40 Hitler's motif?Sorry for coming in so late to conversation, but...Hitler has a motif?? What track are you referring to?Sometimes I seriously think I'm the only, lonely, depressed sod out there in this world who doesn't have a single complaint about this thing, doesn't think about cutting and pasting from crappy sources or pitch-correcting by a quartertone, and just enjoys it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 While I have added a few things from various sources and resequenced, this is certainly one of my favourite sets and a joy to listen to.Amen to that. Worth every cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Boy 0 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 This has been an amazing year for film score fans. And what were the odds of book-ending the year with two wonderful John Williams boxsets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Is the ominous music from 0:31-0:40 Hitler's motif?Sorry for coming in so late to conversation, but...Hitler has a motif?? What track are you referring to?To the blimpthe motif appears 2 times:0:29-0:360:48-1:16 (several times in a row)Its what we (or at least I) assumed was the zeppelin or airport 'theme' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Is the ominous music from 0:31-0:40 Hitler's motif?Sorry for coming in so late to conversation, but...Hitler has a motif?? What track are you referring to?To the blimpthe motif appears 2 times:0:29-0:360:48-1:16 (several times in a row)Its what we (or at least I) assumed was the zeppelin or airport 'theme'Ah, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 Sometimes I seriously think I'm the only, lonely, depressed sod out there in this world who doesn't have a single complaint about this thing, doesn't think about cutting and pasting from crappy sources or pitch-correcting by a quartertone, and just enjoys it.No you're not the only one. The only thing I did was combine the cues on disc 5 with their scores when I loaded them on iTunes and put them in order as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Indeed. For all the complaining I've done (nowhere near as psychotic as some though...), I've done surprisingly minimal editing. I'm just happy to own this music finally.Above all - we've got 4 scores here, 3 nearly complete, in Williams' arguably finest period. I got mine for £24, which is about $35, and works out at £6 per score. That's staggeringly low for a single score CD over here - I have trouble finding cheaper than that on ebay...Concord could be accused of messing up certain technical/creative aspects, but they can't be accused of milking us like the makers of the Dark Knight 2-CD release. This is a great value set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Yes, 5 CDs for $50.00. Pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 $43, if you smiled nicely to the lady at the counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 even for the somewhat crazy price of $74 dollars (that was with Tax included and for me to get it on time at a local specialty shop) I still consider it a bargain! Loving this box set! J Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow900 32 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Let's just be grateful that they gave us a five disc set instead of four we wouldn't be enjoying great tracks like father's study, return to the village / raiders March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I would have been quite upset if they did not include "Wrong Choice, Right Choice": it contains my favorite variation of the "Grail Theme". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Indeed. There's great stuff on the 5th disc that didn't have to be included (although it could have been filled up a lot more too).I really haven't done that much editing, other than inserting the disc 5 material:Raiders- replaced Raiders March concert and Desert Chase with DCC versions, inserted The Mummy Cave and Through the Wall alternates, combined The Idol Temple/Escape from the Temple and The German Sub/Ride to the Nazi HideoutToD- combined multiple cues, inserted old DVD rips for remaining unreleased cuesLC- inserted remaining unreleased and source cues from boot, edited On The Tank into Belly of the Steel BeastWhen you're not going crazy about the pitch issues, it really wasn't that much work. Just doing a DVD rip of Indy 4, especially with the wonderful pre-viz stuff, was more work than all of these combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 $43, if you smiled nicely to the lady at the counter.Or by ordering it from Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 That works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I stayed up until 4 AM the other night editing this puppy, and am only now getting around to listening to the mad edits I did for ToD. I'm so glad that SoundForge has Crossfade and Mix pastes, or this would have been a lot lot harder. Although I haven't made any pitch adjustments yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I spent more time editing the Jungle Chase than I did on this entire set.Assuming I do no more edits, my changes stand as (in addition to arranging disc 5 appropriately):Raiders: Added some DCC tracks and the 'fake' 'Indy Rides...'ToD: Edited Out of Fuel and Slalom together, added The Map alt insert and re-recordings of Parade of the Slave Children, and Finale (including the interpolation)Crusade: Added 5 tracks from the best sounding boot.KotCS: Rearranged & renamed half the tracks, added Warehouse Escape, Spalko's Dossier, Jungle Chase, Over the Cliff and Knowledge Was Their TreasureTalking briefly about prices again, look at this asshole : link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Talking briefly about prices again, look at this asshole : link.Gee, that's charitable. Is it OOP or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Hmm, Amazon US shows 'discontinued by manufacturer'.Play.com only lists Fellowship in stock, and at £10!. Looks like TTT and RotK have fallen into oblivion again.But back to Indy, I don't want another diversion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 They're "oop" again? WTF I thought Reprise/Warner had put more out there. Damn it I hope this is temporary because I wanted to buy Fellowship and The Two Towers after the New Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Yes, 5 CDs for $50.00. Pretty damn good.and for 29$ it's even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Well, I haven't seen anyone posting this kind of info anywhere, so I'll give it a shot.These are some preliminary pitch correction numbers for those interested. I absolutely love the set, and its the first time I've ever owned these scores, so every track has been a revelation. However, I have a really good ear, and the pitch problems on some tracks are killing me. So I decided to take a stab at ironing them out. While there is perhaps a very, very slight change in the quality of the sound when correcting the pitch, if you have a good program, it won't be noticeable. Hell, even within the same program, you can use two different methods and get two different results. I'm using Acid Pro, and a VST Plug-in for pitch correction. Note: these are not final or definitive by any means. They are merely approximations arrived at by comparing between the films, DCC Raiders, and my own ear. I may alter these further, but these sound good to me for now. If anyone else has had better results than these, please post the info. These are some of the worst offenders, but I will be scrubbing through every track from Raiders and ToD.Raiders of the Lost Ark The Map Room: Dawn --- - 27 cents Desert Chase --- 0:00 - 2:08 --- - 1.8 cents Desert Chase --- 2:08 - 5:33 --- - 4.9 cents Desert Chase --- 5:33 - end --- - 14 centsTemple of Doom Short Round Helps --- + 7.5 cents (still in flux) Return To The Village --- + 17 cents (still in flux) End Credits --- - 7.5 centsMore to come.Jonny, this is great stuff, keep it coming!I don't think the leaked version was a concorde version.I don't either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 They're "oop" again? WTF I thought Reprise/Warner had put more out there. Damn it I hope this is temporary because I wanted to buy Fellowship and The Two Towers after the New Year.I think Doug Adams posted on his blog that they weren't discontinued, but there were issues, and the manufacturer is trying to get them out as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Anyone know why the fanfare in "Water!" in the film which plays over the wide shot of Indy/Willie/Shorty escaping the tunnel onto the cliff isn't included in the set? I know, nothing major, just curious if it's tracked or something.It's 11m1 InsertThey're "oop" again? WTF I thought Reprise/Warner had put more out there. Damn it I hope this is temporary because I wanted to buy Fellowship and The Two Towers after the New Year.http://themusicofthelordoftheringsfilms.bl...ility-fall.htmlhttp://themusicofthelordoftheringsfilms.bl...ty-fall_25.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Raises the question of where the unreleased cues came from though. Definitely weren't DVD rips so either from inside Concord, or someone somewhere has boots we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Which gives us hope this same mysterious source might leak missing TOD and TLC music someday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I hadn't noticed that yet ,about 11m1 inset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 They're "oop" again? WTF I thought Reprise/Warner had put more out there. Damn it I hope this is temporary because I wanted to buy Fellowship and The Two Towers after the New Year.Well ROTK is still available:http://store.warnerbrosrecordsstore.com/pr...431C165CB690E59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Boy 0 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Well, I haven't seen anyone posting this kind of info anywhere, so I'll give it a shot.These are some preliminary pitch correction numbers for those interested. I absolutely love the set, and its the first time I've ever owned these scores, so every track has been a revelation. However, I have a really good ear, and the pitch problems on some tracks are killing me. So I decided to take a stab at ironing them out. While there is perhaps a very, very slight change in the quality of the sound when correcting the pitch, if you have a good program, it won't be noticeable. Hell, even within the same program, you can use two different methods and get two different results. I'm using Acid Pro, and a VST Plug-in for pitch correction. Note: these are not final or definitive by any means. They are merely approximations arrived at by comparing between the films, DCC Raiders, and my own ear. I may alter these further, but these sound good to me for now. If anyone else has had better results than these, please post the info. These are some of the worst offenders, but I will be scrubbing through every track from Raiders and ToD.Raiders of the Lost Ark The Map Room: Dawn --- - 27 cents Desert Chase --- 0:00 - 2:08 --- - 1.8 cents Desert Chase --- 2:08 - 5:33 --- - 4.9 cents Desert Chase --- 5:33 - end --- - 14 centsTemple of Doom Short Round Helps --- + 7.5 cents (still in flux) Return To The Village --- + 17 cents (still in flux) End Credits --- - 7.5 centsMore to come.Jonny, this is great stuff, keep it coming!Thanks Jason. I do plan on continuing, but I might have to give my ears a rest for a day or two at least. Its starting to all run together. I definitely finished the entire Return to the Village/End Credits sequence. The pitch corrections seem right on, at least to my ear. Right in the pocket.Return to the Village --- + 11.5 cents / + 0.115End Credits --- - 7.7 cents / - 0.077Next, I want to go through Raiders and find all of the tracks that need correcting. I don't think every track needs it, but some sound a little sharp/fast to me. If anyone has a list of the tracks that are off pitch, please post it. The first thing I'm doing before that is to finish Temple of Doom. Only the first portion of Short Round Helps from the beginning to about 1:15 or so needs pitch correcting. The rest sounds okay to me as compared to the movie.I'm really happy with the results I've gotten. The tracks still sound crisp and clear, and I can't detect any noticeable loss of clarity from the pitch correction. The mix on these discs really is superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 I don't need ROTK, got that. I just need just Fellowship and The Two Towers. Luckily for me the same guy who bought ROTK for me (and I paid him back) will be buying me a copy of The Two Towers. By the way this was posted on Doug's blog on November 25th.I'm told we should have definitive word on this issue very shortly. It's been stressed to me that these sets are NOT discontinued at all; the problem should be resolved directly. If you were planning to pick up a box set or two for the holidays, be good for goodness sake: don't turn to price gougers or unsavory sources! Hang in there a little longer.More to come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Anybody else in love with the Raiders march variation at 4:08 of "Short Round Helps?"I think ToD probably uses the Raiders March more than any other Indy score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Anybody else in love with the Raiders march variation at 4:08 of "Short Round Helps?"yes,it was the single most moment I wanted on this box set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I almost finished compiling and editing my own personal editions. I'm quite happy with the result. Raiders and Last Crusade required minimum efforts, while ToD was a bit more demanding.Listening to the various ToD pieces segueing one into the other is a breathtaking experience. This is one helluva score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Which gives us hope this same mysterious source might leak missing TOD and TLC music somedayMay God read your words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I hadn't noticed that yet ,about 11m1 insetReally? It's always been in the film, was pointed out in the first post of the TOD Cue Names thread, and was included in my revised editing packages... I also included some lego game files in the revised packages that contain some of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Which gives us hope this same mysterious source might leak missing TOD and TLC music somedayMay God read your words...please no religous discussions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Well is there a dedicated patron saint or pagan demigod we can pray to for soundtrack releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 St. Cecilia is the patron saint of music, you can ask her to intercede.and when she fails you can saySt. Cecilia you're breaking my heart, you're breaking my confidence baby, Oh St. Cecilia, I'm down on my knees I'm begging you please.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Well is there a dedicated patron saint or pagan demigod we can pray to for soundtrack releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Did we not establish that John Williams evolved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Well I was going to post a pic of either Herrmann or Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Jerry is GOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Jerry is GOD!then God is dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 wow,still no box set.I could buy it a HMV store by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Im getting it Friday KM, course I won't listen to it until Christmas Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Jerry is GOD!God is deadThank you Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Jerry is GOD!then God is deadJerry has been missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I don't believe in god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I believe in Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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