Label Threads The Official Intrada Thread

[publicist 4,643]

I'd love to see a composer roundtable discussion on this. How they pick the cues, what they think about offering the complete soundtracks, how many of them actually have the power to make it happen. I know the INCREDIBLE HULK complete soundtrack came about because the director thought it was such a brilliant score that he wanted all of it available.

Craig Armstrong is a 180° turn from composers like Williams and Goldsmith, though, so he doesn't count.

I maintain the unpopular opinion that complete releases of film scores are (for me) unnecessary and unwanted in 98,8%. They present the most unpleasant and unwelcome things about filmmusic in the most glaring manner (musical filler, cues without structure and so on). From a purely musical standpoint, they are a pain in the ass and composers are right in vetoing them. RETURN OF THE JEDI or the recent INDY releases are all well representable on a single CD.

As for HOOK, syrupy and jumbled as the score may be, it would need 2 CD's.

[Richard Penna 3,716]

You're not Thor are you?

From a purely listening standpoint, yes a complete score can sometimes be tiresome and/or overwhelming, and I've dismissed quite a number lately because I consider the OST presentation to be good. Lots of 20 second cues get pointless very quickly.

But if there are substantial cues not presented on CD then it's nice to have a complete set to whittle down, or have the additional cues available.

[Luke Skywalker 1,799]

That being said, if John Williams wrote the score but doesn't want it released, I have no problem respecting his wishes. I'm not so greedy that I need every note of music. He must have his reasons.

I think Sugarland was ghostwritten and he does not want anyone to know!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,489]

But if there are substantial cues not presented on CD then it's nice to have a complete set to whittle down, or have the additional cues available.

Yes. Again, I see no harm in releasing the complete recordings. If there are insubstantial cues, just eliminate them from your playlist or stick with the older albums. But for people who desire every piece of music, have at it. Everybody wins.

[King Mark 3,631]

There seems to be some rumbling at Intrada MB that it could be Family Plot this Tuesday?

[indy4 155]

What's the thought process behind that speculation?

[Delorean90 42]

Actually, I'm kinda wondering if it's Broughton's Stay Tuned. It got some mileage on the pre-release discussion boards in the past few weeks, and it's completely unreleased, and Broughton's a popular composer for the label, so I think a 3000 release could be reasonable--especially with the recent 10,000 unit breakthroughs for major releases.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I doubt an obscure release like Stay Tuned would move 3000 units in any reasonable timeframe.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I don't know, the Pam Dawber fan club has some pretty big numbers these days.

[TownerFan 4,991]

Actually, I'm kinda wondering if it's Broughton's Stay Tuned. It got some mileage on the pre-release discussion boards in the past few weeks, and it's completely unreleased, and Broughton's a popular composer for the label, so I think a 3000 release could be reasonable--especially with the recent 10,000 unit breakthroughs for major releases.

Roger said it's an unreleased score from the 70s so I guess this rules out Stay Tuned.

[Richard Penna 3,716]

What sort of score is Family Plot? I mean is it really old school Williams, or would I mistake it for something recorded yesterday?

The End Titles piece on the 40 Years set makes it sound like a fantasy score, which it clearly isn't.

[King Mark 3,631]

Well that theme opening the End Titles represents ghost spirits. The opening scene of the film is a 5 minute expansion of that theme and one of the unreleased Williams tracks I want most. There's some playful music in the rest of the score as well as suspense tracks,but not as dark as Black Sunday.

I hope id' be in stereo and sound improvement over the boot

[indy4 155]

It's incredibly unique. Williams uses a lot of synths, harpsicords, and fantastical choirs as heard in the End Credits piece. It also contains a great action cue with a big timpani feature (played by Williams' father, I think). It's light-hearted, creepy, and wondrous all at the same time. While certain parts bear resemblance to other Williams scores, as a whole there really isn't any other JW score like it.

[Richard Penna 3,716]

Synths and harpsichords aren't reassuring words, and the possibility of mono?

I'll reserve judgement for now.

Roger Feigelson mentions 'adamant', to describe Williams' desires against a release. Sorry, but I think that's just selfish to the fans he clearly doesn't know he has.

Well if he doesn't know about the desire for his entire works, he's not really being selfish...

So a major soundtrack label wanting to do a complete release isn't an indication of desire?

[TownerFan 4,991]

I agree that it's a quite unique score in Williams' oeuvre. It has a kind of "dark" approach, but it's a lighthearted one... as Hitchcock said to Williams, "Murder can be fun!"

The use of female chorus is quite stunning, as it's used to give voice to Barbara Harris' character and her peculiar "medium" personality. Also, the Baroque-like pastiche of several cues could remind parts of Jaws (the "promenade" cues), The Eiger Sanction and The Paper Chase.

I doubt that the score will be released in mono, as it was clearly recorded in stereo (at least as heard on the DVD).

[indy4 155]

Synths and harpsichords aren't reassuring words, and the possibility of mono?

I'll reserve judgement for now.

Roger Feigelson mentions 'adamant', to describe Williams' desires against a release. Sorry, but I think that's just selfish to the fans he clearly doesn't know he has.

Well if he doesn't know about the desire for his entire works, he's not really being selfish...

So a major soundtrack label wanting to do a complete release isn't an indication of desire?

You said he didn't know he had the fans. Now you're saying he does.

[Delorean90 42]

Yeah, Rich, if it's Family Plot Monday night, I'd say the clips themselves are really going to be the only way to judge--the mono leak may not even cut it, 'cause I know you've said the sound can impact your appreciation/lack-thereof for a given score. It's hard to do the score justice with words.

-Ben, who really ought to look into some latter-day Hitchcock, as the most recent he's seen is The Birds.

[King Mark 3,631]

it's still very weird the leak was in 96 kbps mono MP3 Pro. I figure anyone encoding music in that odd format might be a sound engineer and have a reason for it because I don't know any software that does this unless you go deep in the advanced settings.

which makes me think maybe only some mono tapes survived

[indy4 155]

So, the logic behind the common sentiment on the Intrada board is due to the following:

3,000 copies means it's a popular score/composer--->Family Plot fits this

It was written in the 70s---->Family Plot fits this

It is currently unreleased---->Family Plot fits this

Is there any other clue that is making people think this could be FP?

[King Mark 3,631]

So it would be for sale at 5PM PST today (Monday)?

[Trent B 337]

So it would be for sale at 5PM PST today (Monday)?

They don't have a specific time any more. They just announce it whenever.

[King Mark 3,631]

It's probably another unreleased Goldsmith score I never heard of from the 70's...probably shouldn't get my hopes to high for Family Plot

[Diego 21]

Some clues at the Intrada board seem to rule out Family Plot. Still it's probably only a matter of time. Having said that, has everyone listen to Black Sunday already? It's still not even a month old and everyone's already hoping for more Williams. Stop and smell the roses...

[King Mark 3,631]

Once Family Plot is released than the rest doesn't depend too much on these labels I think .It's also the last post 70 unreleased Williams score. I'm also worried that the boot is the best sound quality that was possible

[publicist 4,643]

It's probably another unreleased Goldsmith score I never heard of from the 70's...probably shouldn't get my hopes to high for Family Plot

THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD! That would get my juices flowing (the boot souds even shittier than FAMILY PLOT).

As for FAMILY PLOT: i wouldn't mind a release, but after a careful listen to the boot, i really only need the Main Title, Diamond Deal and End Credits. That would make an ideal 13-minute suite.

[TownerFan 4,991]

It's probably another unreleased Goldsmith score I never heard of from the 70's...

The latest clues on Intrada's board seem to suggest it will be Goldsmith's Players--a really nice score, btw.

[MattyO 62]

I think it's almost certainly Players, which I will pick up - I just received The Blue Max and love it! As for Family Plot, I imagine it's already being worked on considering Black Sunday is now out - Lukas Kendall et al wouldn't go plundering through the Paramount vaults looking for just one of them. It may be a question of which label got to it first. I still worry that in this embarrassment of riches phase of soundtrack releases, the specialist companies are going to put themselves out of business getting all these grails out into the world. Not that I'm complaining - not one bit.

[publicist 4,643]

PLAYERS...mmmh....this one would be better served by a rerecording of the main title, since the Korngoldian fanfares sound so tinny on Goldsmith's own 40-PLAYERS :cool: version.

[Jay 37,441]

Douglass Fake posted this on the Intrada message boards:

And here's a relatively useless clue but... whatever. You people are smart. The two scores coming out are more-or-less at opposite ends of the 1970's.

--Doug

Since Family Plot is mid seventies (1976), I doubt that's being released tomorrow. I think the most likely candidates are:

Gil Melle - The Andromeda Strain (1971, Universal)

Jerry Goldsmith - Players (1979, Paramount)

[TownerFan 4,991]

That's my guess too.

[Trent B 337]

I'm also worried that the boot is the best sound quality that was possible

Don't be so sure...there've been boots (IE: Air Force One) that leaked in complete form where some cues were in mono but a few years later a new one surfaced where everything was in stereo. I'm sure the original masters for Family Plot have great stereo sound to them, but you will never know until it's released.

Also Black Sunday from reading upon that, that seemed like the boot didn't have great sound either (mono I'm guessing?) and that FSM's release is a revelation for having it in original stereo.

[Wojo 2,453]

Well all you need are two different mono sources, and you've got stereo.

[Ollie 1,061]

With the new clue I would say the 3000 release is Players, which is fantastic news.

So, the logic behind the common sentiment on the Intrada board is due to the following:

3,000 copies means it's a popular score/composer--->Family Plot fits this

It was written in the 70s---->Family Plot fits this

It is currently unreleased---->Family Plot fits this

Is there any other clue that is making people think this could be FP?

That's part of it but there's more to it. The 3000 doesn't necessarily mean it's popular. There are also certain stipulations by some of the studios that require a specific number of pressings. Roger's been somewhat vague on the clues for the 3000 so that tends to lend credibility to a big or often requested score.

Plus there was some buzz off the message boards about it being FP, but that's stuff you gotta be careful with. Sometimes it turns out to be true and sometimes it doesn't.

If you get enough clues and hints and a time frame it can be easy at times to figure out what the score is going to be.

[Trent B 337]

Mark your post is spot on about clues. That's why I don't divulge too much into them. I mean if it's a release that peaks my interest then I'll get it, if not then I don't. I don't give my hopes up too high these days with releases.

[Ollie 1,061]

While I don't know if these would be 3000 units, it would be nice to get Leonard Rosenman's scores to The Car and Prophecy. Those are two late 70's scores that quite a few people have asked for.

[Jay 37,441]

I wonder now if "opposite ends" doesn't refer to the early and latter part of the 70's..... but more musical styles... i.e., one of the scores is really unusual and less thematic... the other is a traditional-sounding orchestral score... i dunno. Could lean towards it being Andromeda Strain and Family Plot perhaps.

[Joe Brausam 215]

I think you may be reaching juuuuust a bit.

[TownerFan 4,991]

For those who aren't familiar with Goldsmith's Players, let's just say it sounds like a cross between Supergirl, the training stuff from Rudy and Soarin' Over California. The Logan's Run-like love theme is quite nice as well. There's also some New Orleans-styled jazz and some very 70s disco cues.

[Ollie 1,061]

Players is a very good score, shame though that it's only going to be 3000 if that's the case. It's probably going to go quick.

And the "grail" wish list gets shorter......

Also Black Sunday from reading upon that, that seemed like the boot didn't have great sound either (mono I'm guessing?) and that FSM's release is a revelation for having it in original stereo.

It was mono with the last three cues replaced with the Silva suite.

[artyjeffrey 20]

I love JG, but...

[Richard Penna 3,716]

I still don't love Goldsmith. Pass, unless any of these samples dazzles me.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Damn, another Jerry I can't afford.

[John Crichton 4]

I think I'll let this one pass. For Jerry I'd rather pick up Islands in the Stream or Freud.

The Andromeda Strain is the other release.

[Diego 21]

Damn! From the samples this sounds very nice, the first track is really nice, sounds a bit Williamesque actually. Not that it really sounds like it but it somehow reminds me of The Great Train Robbery". Might order it along with Black Sunday.

[King Mark 3,631]

Well it might actually be the kind of Goldsmith score I enjoy from his best period (1979-1985) but I'd have to listen to it

[Diego 21]

KM, check the samples of "Players", "Winning Streak" and "A Final Decision", I think it's the kind of music you might enjoy.

[Trent B 337]

I too love Goldsmith. Im being rather picky with L.E. releases these days.

[King Mark 3,631]

KM, check the samples of "Players", "Winning Streak" and "A Final Decision", I think it's the kind of music you might enjoy.

I guess I will

[Wojo 2,453]

It's a Goldsmith score. What's not to love?

Because it's a tennis movie. Get it?

[Ollie 1,061]

Damn, I was hoping it wasn't something I wanted.

***Mark crosses another one off the wish list***