Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 The animated water looks fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 It's slow-moving, majestic, repetitive and the melody is an earworm...pure Barry, so to speak, warts and all. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,097 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 The Wolfman. This is the kind of score I was hoping Elfman would write more frequently later in his career. It would be a natural progression of his early fantasy works, but weightier and more grounded. Yes, there are some Kilar references but they are mostly relegated to the opening track. The remaining material is some of Elfman's finest writing in 21st century outside of his concert work. There's no silliness and it moves with purpose. On a side note, I would be very interested to find out what was the role of Lindgren and Shearmur on this project. It sounds quite seamless to me. Karol publicist and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,331 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, crocodile said: The Wolfman. This is the kind of score I was hoping Elfman would write more frequently later in his career. It would be a natural progression of his early fantasy works, but weightier and more grounded. Yes, there are some Kilar references but they are mostly relegated to the opening track. The remaining material is some of Elfman's finest writing in 21st century outside of his concert work. There's no silliness and it moves with purpose. On a side note, I would be very interested to find out what was the role of Lindgren and Shearmur on this project. It sounds quite seamless to me. Karol I’ll have to give this another listen. I only there was additional music by Conrad Pope but didn’t know there were even more involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,097 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: I’ll have to give this another listen. I only there was additional music by Conrad Pope but didn’t know there were even more involved. The booklet credits both gentlemen on four tracks as "additional composers". Think it is the two action tracks and two transformation tracks (tracks 6, 10, 13 and 16, I think?). But I wonder whether they actually wrote the cues from scratch or where merely adapting existing sketches by Elfman to new cuts or something like that. Or wrote only some parts of these cues. After all, this film was a bit of a nightmare and it's not surprising really. But these tracks also sound very much like Elfman so it's really hard to say. Whatever it was, their collaboration works very well. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,331 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, crocodile said: The booklet credits both gentlemen on four tracks as "additional composers". Think it is the two action tracks and two transformation tracks (tracks 6, 10, 13 and 16, I think?). But I wonder whether they actually wrote the cues from scratch or where merely adapting existing sketches by Elfman to new cuts or something like that. Or wrote only some parts of these cues. After all, this film was a bit of a nightmare and it's not surprising really. But these tracks also sound very much like Elfman so it's really hard to say. Whatever it was, their collaboration works very well. Karol Aha, I guess that’s the downside of having all your music on iTunes and the CDs safely stored away! Interesting but yeah it was quite a mess as a production from what I recall. Looking forward to revisiting it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,555 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, crocodile said: The booklet credits both gentlemen on four tracks as "additional composers". Think it is the two action tracks and two transformation tracks (tracks 6, 10, 13 and 16, I think?). But I wonder whether they actually wrote the cues from scratch or where merely adapting existing sketches by Elfman to new cuts or something like that. Or wrote only some parts of these cues. After all, this film was a bit of a nightmare and it's not surprising really. But these tracks also sound very much like Elfman so it's really hard to say. Whatever it was, their collaboration works very well. Karol This is the original score Elfman recorded: 1. 0m01a (4:28) 2. 0m01b (6:04) 3. 0m02 (1:34) 4. 0m03 TJ (4:07) 5. 1m01-2 (3:28) 6. 1M03r (1:55) 7. 2m03a (3:04) 8. 2M03b (3:04) 9. 2m04alt (5:27) 10. 2m04org-t586 (1:56) 11. 2M05 (1:24) 12. 3m01 (1:11) 13. 3m02 (2:38) 14. 3m04 (3:51) 15. 3m08 (1:40) 16. 4m02-3 (4:14) 17. 4M04 (3:28) 18. 4m05alt (0:50) 19. 4M05b (0:46) 20. 4M05 (3:10) 21. 4M07 TJ (4:08) 22. 4m08 (2:42) 23. 5m01 (8:50) 24. 5M04a (2:38) 25. 5m04b TJ (2:29) 26. 6m03 (1:40) 27. 6m04alt (0:59) 28. 6m04 (3:40) 29. 6M05 (4:54) 30. 7m03 (0:50) 31. 7m05a-ALT (0:55) 32. 7M05a (2:16) 33. 7m06alt1 (1:28) 34. 7m06 (4:38) TOTAL TIME: 1:40:26 These are the Pope re-writes: 01. 1M2 Opening Attack Fix (0:25) 02. 1M3 Gwen's Letter (01:02) 03. 1M5 Ben's Body (0:32) 04. 1M6 Mysterious Moon (0:36) 05. 1M7A Fountain (0:55) 06. 1M10 Funeral (0:43) 07. 2M11 Gwen Leaves - Take Warning (01:28) 08. 2M16 Healing Montage Pt. 2 (0:54) 09. 2M18 Aberline Arrives (0:57) 10. 3M21 Lake (02:19) 11. 3M22 Bleeding Lip (01:23) 12. 3M24A Pint Of Bitter Please (0:37) 13. 3M25 Mother Statue Reveal (0:27) 14. 4M33 London Rampage Patch (0:21) 15. 5M35 The Kiss (0:54) 16. 6M46 Final Fight (01:17) 17. 6M50 Gorge - Face To Face (0:33) 18. 6M50A Wolfman Shot (01:29) 19. 6M51 Finale (02:12) 20. 6M51 Finale (Alternate Ending) (02:13) 21. 6M52 Epilogue (0:51) Total Duration: 22:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 998 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Given this would've been around the time Elfman started employing extra composers regularly (Lindgren would come back for Real Steel shortly afterwards, plus work on his subsequent scores), I think it's safe to say TJ and Shearmur were employed early on rather than at a later stage. Especially since all their material is on the Elfman bootleg (also the former's initials are in some of the cue numbers). Of course, given the nature of the film production itself, even looking through BMI and ASCAP for who exactly did what might be tricky, since we lack too much of a frame of reference without proper titles to work off of (the ones that exist being a mix of OST and made up names). Not helping matters is the film seemingly having bits that aren't on either bootleg, so suffice it to say that it's just all one big headache. crocodile and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,508 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 This Wolfman score interest me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,555 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 It's not bad! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Yeah, it's a good listen. It seems to be pitched somewhere JW's DRACULA, and Kilar's BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA, but with very few of the Elfmanisms that we've come to know and love. It might not be a mature score, but it's a fun ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,508 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 OK, now that I have a "decent" Danny Elfman CD collection... A good idea would be to listen to them (seriously with headphones I mean)! After John Williams, Danny Elfman is really my second best. Let's start this backward! Danny Elfman - Dumbo OST (magical!) Danny Elfman - The Girl in the Train OST (ambiant, weird and almost uncomfortable! I love that!) Danny Elfman - Goosebump OST (while watching the movie I wondered, I like that music... it's just fun and efficient, who wrote that? Entertaining!) Danny Elfman - Fifty Shades of Grey OST (so good it was barely used in the movie!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted April 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2022 Exquisite late Barry jazz (mixed in with a handful of Chet Baker originals for good measure). I've never seen the movie it was mostly rejected from, but it sure suffered by it. There's a brooding melancholy to it which is so typical of John Barry's harmonic grammar which gets a real shot in the arm when it is transferred to the more agile jazz idiom instead of languid strings. And there's jazz harmonica, too, and if that late recall of 'Midnight Cowboy' isn't enough to convince you, nothing is. Sadly, the Decca album is hard to come by. Brilliant recording by John Richards, great playing by Chris Botti, Mike Lang, Dan Higgins and Tommy Morgan, all the great veteran LA players). Naïve Old Fart, LSH and Tom Guernsey 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Agreed with every word, @publicist. This is a gem of a score, a late-flowering masterpiece, from a woefully underrated film. 31 minutes ago, publicist said: Sadly, the Decca album is hard to come by. I've just seen the Decca cd on Amazon, for £6.11 . There are three copies in stock, and they are supplied by a store that I have been buying from, for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,508 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Danny Elfman Fest - Part Deux. Frankenweenie OST Alice in Wonderland OST Terminator Salvation OST Milk OST (The Score part) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,547 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 On the 110th anniversary: Titanic (1997) - James Horner. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,371 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,689 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 By 2016, when this series came out, I had patiently waited for Paul Haslinger to do a score within his TD roots. And lo and behold, it happened for this TV series. Great stuff! The vol. 2 is fine too, although not on the same level. More of this, please, Paul, rather than the non-descript genre stuff. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Ooh, Paul Haslinger. His work with TD is great. UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT is a fine record. Thor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,508 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Danny Elfman Fest - Part III. Hellboy II OST Wanted OST Standard Operating Procedure OST Charlotte's Web OST Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,097 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 King of Kings The Gospel of John The Passion of the Christ Karol Bespin and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Great stuff, @crocodile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,097 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Great stuff, @crocodile. I decided to finish the day with Ben-Hur. But listening to the two LP volumes of highlights as recorded by Erich Kloss. Karol Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,994 Posted April 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2022 Atlantis: The Lost Empire - James Newton Howard Another magnificent score from Howard for a Disney film. I am still in disbelieve that they didn't add the opening cue from the film and the5-minute final battle cue to the album. I found a promotional release a while back and made my own edit with these cues edited into the album + I added the film version of The Submarine. I think these 3 cues make the score even better. LSH, Bespin and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 A very good score, from an underrated film. JNHFan2000 and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,266 Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 The Final Conflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,097 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 8 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: Atlantis: The Lost Empire - James Newton Howard Another magnificent score from Howard for a Disney film. I am still in disbelieve that they didn't add the opening cue from the film and the5-minute final battle cue to the album. I found a promotional release a while back and made my own edit with these cues edited into the album + I added the film version of The Submarine. I think these 3 cues make the score even better. True, although the final battle is mostly just a rehash of what we hear in Leviathan cue anyway. It should be there dramatically, true, but wouldn't add much musically. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 A wonderful sweeping/mushy theme that holds its own against things like 'Out of Africa' and the patented Barry underwater music from 'Thunderball' and 'The Deep'. Skip tracks 3-8 and enjoy Easter Sunday. Andy and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,097 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 To round off my Easter playlist I went with The Passion of the Christ Symphony and The Last Temptation of Christ. It's funny how the latter ended up being a blueprint for virtually everything written in the early 00's. It's a damn fine album to this day. I wouldn't mind one label getting crack at assembling the film version of this. Speaking of boutique label wishes, I would like this one as well: It's safe to say I feel completely Jesus-ed out this weekend! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 8 hours ago, crocodile said: The Last Temptation of Christ. I assume you mean PASSION, by Peter Gabriel? It's a great score, and a damn fine record, in its own right. 8 hours ago, crocodile said: The Last Temptation of Christ. It's a damn fine album to this day. I wouldn't mind one label getting crack at assembling the film version of this. It would be nice, wouldn't it, but I suspect that Gabriel won't want to farm out anything on the Real World label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,689 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 This was such a nice discovery in 2020. Both to rediscover Vidal again after many years, and the wonderful, smooth synth score that is no doubt anachronistic (even without having seen the show, I know that it is), but extremely melodic, cool and funky all at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,508 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Today's program: Anakin Skywalker's Passion A New Hope - The Special Edition Empire Strikes Back - The Special Edition Return of the Jedi - Anthology '93 + inserted tracks from the 4th CD Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Bes, you're missing out on some fabulous stuff, by not playing ROTJ: SE. Andy and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,445 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 DC's Legends of Tomorrow by Blake Neely and others Always was curious about those scores, well they're a lot of fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,689 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Amazing score, still Serra's best. Either the impressionistic, Ravel-ian orchestral colours, or the ethereal synth tracks like the gorgeous "In the Kingdom of Spirits", or the two pop tracks. This is the score to slam on the table when people get into Serra-bashing over GOLDENEYE or whatever. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,689 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Still Henrik's best score, IMO -- yes, it's post-minimalist romanticism back when it was fresh (2014), but this is of the better kind. The sheer elegance and momentum of a track like "Grasse" is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,250 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 An interesting composer for sure, but I prefer Snøfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,689 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: And interesting composer for sure, but I prefer Snøfall. Yes, that's good too, but his most traditional. I like the "in-between" Skram. If something like CRESTFALLEN -- with its static, ambient nature -- is his most experimental, and SNØFALL the most traditional, I like those that are between there somewhere. Like BALLET BOYS or 90 MINUTTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,508 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Danny Elfman Fest - Part IV. Tim Burton's Corpse Bride OST Charlie and the Chocolate Factory OST Spider-Man 2 OST Big Fish OST (the score part) Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 971 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Boy I haven't listened to this in a good while but it's really quite superb. One of Badelt's very best efforts before he disappeared into relative obscurity. The Princess / Love / whatever it is (?) theme is utterly gorgeous and has some lovely variations throughout. Overall, an undeniably strong score for a mid-tier Zimmer protégé. Thor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,547 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Not only nice to remember not only when these kind of CDs came out every year but also to remember when there was this much film music that I wanted to listen to! Mr. Holland's Opus seems oddly absent, looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,555 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Probably because it came out in 1995... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,547 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: Probably because it came out in 1995... Ohhhh, just barely. And it isn't on Hollywood '95 either, wise guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,555 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 It should have been! Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,737 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, Jay said: Probably because it came out in 1995... Nobody likes a smart arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 359 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I really wonder about that Elfman score for Wolfman - he is not someone to pillage Kilar to that extent...... Anyways, later day Elfman is brilliantly encapsulated by this: Patrick Doyle, on fire, in the early 1990s, unbeatable: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,547 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Nobody likes a smart arse. Of course we like you, NOF. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 359 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Shore's massive snare drum escapade There are great things shared by us all. This is one of them> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,689 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Preparing for a Christopher Gordon interview in a few weeks, I need to familiarize myself with a few holes in my discography, including this music for the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games in 2006. Big, lush and melodic as one would expect from Gordon. I suppose things like this are somewhere between score and concert music. "Event music". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,250 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Tell him from me that Master and Commander is a great score. Tallguy and Thor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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