A24 4,348 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: Arent you? I always hope for something more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Sure, but fine is just...fine, right? Willow is quite good too, actually. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Willows ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,348 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thekthithm said: Willows ok ... It's OK for kids. (although they might have a problem with the dated FX) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: ...Frost/Nixon. Oh, yes! I'd forgotten about that one. A thrilling ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Willow is enjoyable for its production values (including score of course!), charismatic cast, and charming tone. The narrative and the dialogue and stuff doesn't really hold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Technical aspects aside, WILLOW was bullshit, in 1988, and it's bullshit, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Oh, yes! I'd forgotten about that one. A thrilling ride. Yeah, as thrilling as 'The Post'. I give that stuff that it's always watchable - though hopelessly middling in the end, not because of lack of craftmanship but by its own timid aspirations. 2 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Technical aspects aside, WILLOW was bullshit, in 1988, and it's bullshit, now. At least it's no attempt at hardbitten urban stuff, the last thing i want to be directed from a mansion in Bel Air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Timid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Outmoded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: WILLOW was bullshit, in 1988, and it's bullshit, now. Its a perfectly enjoyable, escapist fantasy film - which is more than could be said for a lot of its contemporaries in that genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Krull versus Willow though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 By the time 'Willow' rolled around, Horner had found his voice. It's the perfect Horner score, and he owns that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Quintus said: Krull versus Willow though KRULL, all the way! Annis; Jones; Neeson; Coltrane; Armstrong; top-notch Horner. You can't go wrong. Yes, it is absolute gobshite, but I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 #TeamWillow! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 #makekrullgreatagain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Manchildfan.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Willow has the better score too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/22/2019 at 9:52 PM, Brundlefly said: 5 out of 10 is labelled garbage in your universe? Well, the script makes the film hot garbage. But overall it was nicely directed, even if it seemed to be a show-off more often than not. So... There it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I kind of agree with Apollo 13 being a tad over-polished. It left me cold when I saw it the first time, but I have since warmed to its approach quite a lot. In general, though, Howard is too run of the mill. I actively dislike Rush, actually, and a lot of his other recent output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Recently, I rewatched Me, Myself & Irene, and I have to say it's refreshingly politically incorrect. It couldn't have been made today. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Tintin! Edit: LOL wtf I keep trying to write Tin - Tin with a space between and the board changes it back to Tintin. Is anyone else having this problem? Did Jay do something? I did jokingly suggest he utilize the board’s censor feature to correct those who misspell Witch. Guess he actually did it, except for Tintin! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Never has a person's OCD been so cruelly exposed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,364 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 10 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: ‘Fraid to say that I felt that APOLLO 13 was stylized, signposted, and ostentatious, beyond my ability to enjoy it. It wanted you to like it, but it tried too hard. One thing I remember finding odd about the movie is how much of a goof they made Fred Haise out to be. He knocked up his wife accidentally, vomited on the way up, substituted country music on the tape player for fun, made a crude joke about eating dead rhino ass, couldn’t understand how Swigert figured out the math for oxygen consumption (or something) and somehow forgot there were three people aboard instead of two. And there’s probably more that I’m forgetting. Altogether, it’s a little much. 10 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: 10 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Naïve Old Fart and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Avengers: endgame. That… was pretty, pretty good. Part of me really doesn’t want both Iron Man and Black Widow gone, but another part of me realises it makes the story even better and somehow more realistic. At first I thought their time travel theory wouldn’t hold up, but when it did, I was really happy. Why did the Hulk sound drunk most of the time, though, and why didn’t this grand finale end phase 3? And no post-credit scene? And where… are… the… themes?! I just cannot believe what a missed opportunity and total mess these Marvel scores have been. So we CAN have multiple great songs that must have been rather expensive to licence and a bunch of themes from the later scores, but we can’t have Black Panther’s music or Thor or Iron Man’s themes from their first movies? And that’s not even the worst of it. The biggest problem I had with Silvestri’s scores still persisted: every time the score needed to move me, it just didn’t. The action music is generic but good, and even though the solemn music isn’t bad either, it’s just not enough. The end credits suite is yet another thematic waste and by all means let’s have plenty of Captain America and Avengers references because Silvestri wrote those themes. And jazz and Iron Man’s theme in the credits? That’s a little late, isn’t it? Oh, John Powell, where are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Avengers: endgame. That...was pretty, pretty good. Part of me really doesn’t want both Iron Man and Black Widow gone, but another part of me realises it makes the story even better and somehow more realistic... ...and relatable Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Look, if they can't even figure out the regular continuity in-between some of the films, then I'm not sure why people still think Marvel could've ever tackled proper musical continuity. And this is considering Endgame is probably one of the better films in referencing past identities. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Part of me really doesn’t want both Iron Man and Black Widow gone, but another part of me realises it makes the story even better and somehow more realistic. Black Widow I get. Tony, though... With most tragic heroes (tragic here simply in the sense that they die) in the last twenty years - Sir William Wallace, Maximus, Jack Dawson, Frodo (kinda), etc - you do get a sense early on that its not going to end well for them. With Tony, his journey throughout most of the MCUs catalogue has been much too upbeat to truly earn this grim (if powerful) ending. Only in Infinity War does it become clear that they're setting up a sob-story for him. I'd have much prefered a Last Crusade-type happy ending for the character. Instead, his death feels like an easy fix to write him out of future installments, rather than something truly appropriate for the character. Kind of taints the fun of the character in retrospect, to know his story ends on such a sad (if triumphant) note. I can accept it, though. Which is more than could be said for the cacophony of the action climax. I think the Russo Brothers were absolutely out of their depth in visualizing that sequence. At some point, it just becomes noise. Dissappointing. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Silvestri saves the thematic gestures for big moments like the portals scene, the funeral or the end credits, etc. He went for a streamlined holistic approach rather than overt statements of every single character theme, which would have made it clunky and disjointed. The idea was to score what's happening, not necessarily who's in it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Although the Funeral Theme or whatever you it's called gets such a lovely, subdued, not big at all first statement at the beginning when Tony *almost* dies on the spaceship. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yep I remember that bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I thought Silvestri did an okay job knowing full well TPTB wanted a more or less modern score. It is symptomatic of the Marvel movies in general. The quality is consistently high, yet that highest is achieved by never aspiring to greatness. 30 years from now, they will be forgotten movies, but I don't think anyone involved ever really intended otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/22/2019 at 11:23 PM, Nick Parker said: Which is? Rhapsody in August, Dersu Uzala or Ikiru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, Tom said: I thought Silvestri did an okay job knowing full well TPTB wanted a more or less modern score. It is symptomatic of the Marvel movies in general. The quality is consistently high, yet that highest is achieved by never aspiring to greatness. 30 years from now, they will be forgotten movies, but I don't think anyone involved ever really intended otherwise. I'm not a fan, but you really think these Marvel movies, given their massive success and cultural impact, will be forgotten 30 years from now? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Perhaps forgotten is a strong word (I hear that "no one is ever really gone"), but I doubt that I will have many fans of the then current generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 Their appeal and impact is wide, but I don't think it is especially deep. We've been inundated with them. Flood waters often run off. Hurmm, Holko and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I've forgotten how to fly. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Tom said: Perhaps forgotten is a strong word (I hear that "no one is ever really gone"), but I doubt that I will have many fans of the then current generation. The generation growing up with them right now will disagree. You're just being an old man. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 AVENGERS ENDGAME DVD is going for £1 at my local thrift shop. I might just pop up there, today, and get it. Or course, having seen a grand total of four out of (insert number here) MCU films, I probably won't have a clucking foo what's going on. Still, as a great captain once said: "Sounds like fun". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 A View to a Kill Moore is checking out in this one. Not his finest hour, to say the least. He still has that charm about him but seems tired and worn out, going through the motions. He is visibly aged and no longer has that twinkle in his eye! The direction and editing in this one are a disaster. There are some memorable supporting characters and, I mean this sincerely, Christopher Walken's over-the-top villainous turn as Max Zorin carries the movie. Without him, it would be too much of a trainwreck to stomach. All of the other Roger Moore Bonds are among the best. He was past his prime by the mid-80s and the production didn't do anything to help matters. A bizarre spliced-in "California Girls" during the opening skiing scene really sets the tone for this one, seguing into an equally bizarre low-tech opening title scene with blacklit women while Duran Duran do the best they can to make this shit still seem cool. Thankfully, a younger more badass leading man would soon put on the suit for a brief but memorable Bondian twofer. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: AVENGERS ENDGAME DVD is going for £1 at my local thrift shop. I might just pop up there, today, and get it. Or course, having seen a grand total of four out of (insert number here) MCU films, I probably won't have a clucking foo what's going on. Still, as a great captain once said: "Sounds like fun". It's a rip-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: DVD? Yeah. It's such an improvement, over VHS. The sound is great, and the picture is pin sharp. I recommend anyone who likes films to buy them Jurassic Shark and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I don't believe you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Which MCU films have you seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I've forgotten how to fly. You will remember on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,365 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: A View to a Kill Moore is checking out in this one. Not his finest hour, to say the least. He still has that charm about him but seems tired and worn out, going through the motions. He is visibly aged and no longer has that twinkle in his eye! The direction and editing in this one are a disaster. There are some memorable supporting characters and, I mean this sincerely, Christopher Walken's over-the-top villainous turn as Max Zorin carries the movie. Without him, it would be too much of a trainwreck to stomach. All of the other Roger Moore Bonds are among the best. He was past his prime by the mid-80s and the production didn't do anything to help matters. A bizarre spliced-in "California Girls" during the opening skiing scene really sets the tone for this one, seguing into an equally bizarre low-tech opening title scene with blacklit women while Duran Duran do the best they can to make this shit still seem cool. Thankfully, a younger more badass leading man would soon put on the suit for a brief but memorable Bondian twofer. Yeah, he maybe could've called it a day after For Your Eyes Only but SHOULD have after Octopussy. Speaking of Bond ... The November Man - perhaps a still-undimmed yearning for Bond led to Brosnan starring in and exec-producing this passable espionage actioner, who knows? Something similar might also be why Olga Kurylenko accepted her part. The only other cast member I recognised was Will Patton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 AVTAK feels anaemic, and has dated worse than most other Bond films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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