Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Unpopular opinion, but... Star Trek films ranked top to bottom TMP III V VI II IV Told you it was unpopular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: 3-2-4-1-6-5 I assumed 5 was the lowest grossing too but actually Nemesis managed to make less unadjusted! It made less money in 2002 dollars than Final Frontier made in 1989 dollars! Ouch. Wait a minute! This is ranked from best to worst according to you? Surprising that you chose 3. By the way, I'm watching 4 tonight. I have watched it in the past though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Wait a minute! This is ranked from best to worst according to you? Surprising that you chose 3. Well, Stu is... special. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Well, Stu is... special. Special Stu Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, filmmusic said: I have watched it in the past though... That sounds ever-so-slightly sinister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Surprising that you chose 3. I'm never ashamed to let sentimentality/nostalgia guide me in these things. Enjoyment is enjoyment! filmmusic and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 It's my #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Yeah, it's shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Shut up! Shut up! Shut the fuckity up up! Disco Stu and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Surprising that you chose 3. 20 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I. LOVE. STAR. TREK. III. A warm blanket movie for me. An old friend. It's always been my sentimental favorite over II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, it's shite. Andy and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I thought that it was better than II, back in 1984. My opinion has not changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jay said: Yeah, I had seen that. I just hadn't assumed he would choose it as the best of ALL the Star Trek original films. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Ah, now, @filmmusic. Stu never said it is the best Star Trek film. He said it is his favourite Star Trek film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Ah, now, @filmmusic. Stu never said it is the best Star Trek film. He said it is his favourite Star Trek film Ah, ok. You are all ranking them from favourite to least favourite. I see. I'll make my ranking too, when I finish all 6 of them in a couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 One of the reasons I like TMP is b/c it feels like a high budget episode of the original series. The characters basically acted like they did in TOS, and it had themes they explored in TOS. Star Trek II, as good as it was, was the beginning of Trek trying to mainstream itself into something it really isn't. By the third film they didn't even feel like a crew any more, just friends and family hopping around on adventures in space. TMP, flawed as it is, feels the most like Star Trek to me. In any event, I've always thought Trek worked better on TV than film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Greatness? Best to worst: II VI IV, III TMP V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick1Ø66 said: By the third film they didn't even feel like a crew any more, just friends and family hopping around on adventure in space. That's how it goes when forced to work in open landscape offices. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Admit it. You're from an open landscape office, right? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Anybody watch the documentary “Max Steiner: Maestro of Movie Music” on HBO Max? Watching it tonight, good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,360 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Cobra - some pretty decent action sequences enliven this standard mid-80s 'bad-ass cop does witness protection' Stallone number. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Well, after II, the films went downhill for me. I'm curious to watch V and VI now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 IV has its moments, but, speaking personally, it's a step down from III. Brace yourself for STAR TREK V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 IV is great, watched it a few years back with my (now deceased) grandmother - she really got a kick out of it! Tallguy and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Jeez ... is everybody still Star Trekking? Zzzzz .... Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 T That's for blasphemy! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 I've regretted having purchased the 4k 6-movie collection! I should have bought only the motion picture and the wrath of Khan separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 STIV: Voyage Home is such a feelgood optimistic cuddly movie, how do you not like that?! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted February 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2023 I've never - NEVER! - understood the point in purchasing movies you've never seen before. Rent/Stream movies that you haven't seen yet Form a collection of the movies you REALLY like, which you know you like because you've already seen them. That's how I operate anyway... LSH, filmmusic and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jay said: I've never - NEVER! - understood the point in purchasing movies you've never seen before. Rent/Stream movies that you haven't seen yet Form a collection of the movies you REALLY like, which you know you like because you've already seen them. That's how I operate anyway... Yes, you're right. Well, it was a box-set, and I thought it would be good to pay something more and have all 6 original films. Same with Planet of the Apes. I really needed the first movie to tell the truth. My blind buys though are very few to none (and are usually films in boxsets), comparing to other fellows I see at forums. 46 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: STIV: Voyage Home is such a feelgood optimistic cuddly movie, how do you not like that?! Well, it's not that I disliked it. I didn't like it enough to own it I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,389 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 IV is delightful. I might like what III is about more that IV but IV does what it sets out to do better than III does. Also IV is by FAR my wife's favorite Star Trek movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 I believed Star Trek was a trilogy beginning at II, they really made other movies after the IV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 So, @filmmusic, what did you like - or rather not like - about V? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 13 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: So, @filmmusic, what did you like - or rather not like - about V? I am not sure I can put it to words. It felt cheap I guess? And who/what was Spoiler that deity in the end? I didn't understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Just some alien impersonating God to get what it wanted LSH and filmmusic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Bad Star Trek is still more charming than bad Star Wars. Karol Naïve Old Fart and Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, crocodile said: Bad Star Trek is still more charming than bad Star Wars. Agreed, @crocodile. I will take STAR TREK V over TROS, any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 All Star Trek is bad so it's not a valid comparison. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 I thought to take a break from watching Star Trek films. A somewhat silly but enjoyable vampire film. Again, I'm not so sure I needed to purchase this. I had seen it in the past and thought I liked it enough to own it, but now that I saw it again... LSH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Is that Star Trek? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Airplane! I hadn't seen this movie in a super long time.... 20, maybe 25 or 30 + years. It's funny how some parts were burned in my brain, and yet others were like brand new (especially considering I had only seen it before on pan&scan VHS quality on old tube TVs, and the current Blu Ray looks great so I could notice more background jokes). The movie is greatly paced, so many jokes flying fast and furious; Very much in line with the first Naked Gun and both Hot Shots! films. What I love is how straight the cast plays everything, with only Lloyd Bridges (at certain times) and Stephen Stucker doing straight comedic work; The stoic way Robert Stack and Leslie Nielsen deliver all their lines make everything funnier, and Robert Hays walks a nice line of mostly playing things straight and then doing stuff like his drinking problem It's funny to realize how incredibly thin the plot is, just like the Hot Shots! movies, and nicely the runtime is under 90 minutes. But there's so many random jokes thrown in along the way that have nothing to do with anything, like the two kids having coffee or the musical number with the sick kid. And we even noticed a young Jonathan Banks in the air traffic control tower! It's on HBO Max LSH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,128 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Jay said: Just some alien impersonating God to get what it wanted Which was a frequent plot of TOS. Star Trek was built on a solid foundation of Kirk flying around Deity-Busting. Trek V is consistent with that. What does “God” need with a starship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Frances Ha Watched this on a whim looking for something funny on streaming the other night, and quite enjoyed it! I have not seen that many Noah Baumbach films (only Marriage Story and White Noise before this) and have not seen that many Greta Gerwig acting performances (only White Noise, the How I Met Your Dad pilot and some minor TV appearances)... but man she was great in this movie. So full of life no matter what was going on, yet also vulnerable when she needed to be. This is a story of a 20something trying to find her way like so many other stories, but the quick pacing, snappy dialogue, and rotating cast of good supporting actors really elevate it to something worth watching. You can tell HBO's Girls took a lot from this movie (including casting Adam Driver), but at the time it was probably very fresh and original, even with some inspiration from French cinema. It was nice to see Michael Zegen (Boardwalk Empire, Girls, Brooklyn), Grace Gummer (Mr. Robot), Justine Lupe (Succession), and Juliet Rylance (Perry Mason), but the best screen partner was someone unfamiliar to me - Mickey Sumner (Sting's daughter, it turns out), who plays Gerwig's best friend and has the other big character arc in the film. I'm kind of surprised she hasn't been in more things, she was good! A fun, breezy (86 minutes), interesting film. I'll check out more of Baumbach's films now It's on Netflix, Kanopy, Criterion, and AMC+ A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,128 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 4 hours ago, crocodile said: Bad Star Trek is still more charming than bad Star Wars. Karol You are most wise, Karol. I love this statement. I wish I’d said it or I’d make it my signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 The River Catching up on more Williams-scored movies I haven't seen yet. This one was..... Pretty decent, if a little unremarkable. It tells an interesting story of family-owned farmland in America giving way to corporate-run ones in Reagan's 80s, focusing on one fictional family in Tennessee (Mel Gibson as Tom and Sissy Spacek as Mae) who have to deal not only with being priced out of their land and business, but also their farm's adjacency to a river that is flooding their crops more often than historically of late. There's an interesting detour when Gibson has to earn money by being a scab for a local steel mill, meanwhile Spacek injures herself under a tractor in a kind of weird sequence. Also muddying the waters is that Spacek used to date the main villain (Scott Glen) who runs a grain mill and sets the grain prices but also has a nefarious plan to buy all the farms for his his own gains. The climax that occurs when another flood happens feels like a minor victory in a completely unwinnable war, which I suppose is the point. What fires on all cylinders is the cinematography, sound design, and score, all excellent! The film is very well-spotted, with many scenes not having any score and not needing it, and the score making just right impact when it does come in. I'm so glad Williams took this assignment because the resulting score is wonderful to listen to on its own, but it led to me see this movie I probably never would have otherwise, which is definitely worth seeing at least once filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Andy said: What does “God” need with a starship? Jim, what are you doing? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Don't Be Afraid of the Dark (2011) IMDb First, it’s weird seeing 12 year old actor Bailee Madison star in this movie, since her likeness to co-star Katie Holmes is uncanny - not to mention confusing - since Katie is only portraying the stepmom to the child actor. The “scary” scenes aren’t that scary. It’s jump scares and body horror. Some people have been complaining about the CGI, but I don’t see it, it’s well done even by todays standards. The really frightening scenes are the ones where the dad (Guy Pearce) and the stepmom (Katie Holmes) doesn’t believe the - obviously haunted - daughter (Bailee Madison), those scenes should have been built upon and used to greater effect. Spoiler (…and I don’t mean the scenes where the monsters taunt her “poor Sally, no one believes her", I mean the tension between kid-to-parent where the kid is disbelieved while suffering - it has potential to be gut wrenching stuff but the movie never really delivers on this idea. Which is understandable, it’s not really that kind of film but, still, a missed opportunity.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LSH 968 Posted February 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2023 TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY (1991) dir. James Cameron Lots to unpack about this but let me start by saying that this is a textbook example of how to make a high-concept action film. I've seen it a hundred times but what struck me on this viewing is how superbly paced it is (even with the originally deleted scenes re-instated). It's also way ahead of its time - and I'm not just talking about the visual effects; it just feels more like a mid-nineties film (which doesn't sound like a massive jump until you give it a think). He might be one the most iconic movie villains of all time but the casting of Robert Patrick as the T-1000 really is splendid. While Schwarzenegger is usually the subject of amusement for his 'uncannyness', Patrick's portrayal of an [almost perfect] infiltrator truly is a chilling and terrifying performance. Genius decision. It's also one of the more visually captivating action films out there (and again, I'm not just talking about the visual effects). Cameron's skill at staging never gets praised enough; a few great examples include Connor's foster father's casual off-screen fatal metallic deep-throat, the originally deleted 'chip reset' scene (like, you didn't have to shoot it in front of a 'mirror', lol), and the escape from the hospital (cinematographer Adam Greenberg said, "Usually, in a hospital, you'd use fluorescent light and it's very boring. We decided to make the hospital a place watched by guards with strong spotlights outside shining through the windows, which gave us an overexposed, very bright look."). The final third of the film, beginning with the raid on the Cyberdyne building and ending at the steel mill, is essentially one long unrelenting action scene packed full of crazy, memorable and extravagant set-pieces. The highway chase was filmed along five and a half miles of highway and the moment when the T-1000 pilots the helicopter underneath an overpass - with only 5 feet clearance above and below - was photographed by Cameron himself, after the camera operators refused). There are only 150 VFX shots in the entire film and the sparingly used effects of the T-1000 were costed at $5 million alone, all of which push the boundaries of what was technically feasible at the time. Brad Fiedel's score might not be the most listenable thing out there but it is simply perfect. The cold and -justifiably- metallic tones are a superb match but the main theme is a beaut. To wrap up, this is one that I probably watch at least four times a year. It's one of those small handful of films in my life that, if I'm skipping channels and it's already halfway through, I'll finish; it has never suffered from over-exposure. In fact, I only decided to watch this last night because I'd just booked my tickets for Titanic next week. Yeah, I really like it. Andy, A24, Jurassic Shark and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 It's a great movie but..... four times... PER YEAR!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jay said: It's a great movie but..... four times... PER YEAR!? At least! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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