Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Because this is by far the greatest drunk acting of all time:It's not actually drunken acting. It's Colm Meany happily having a beer and burping in a satisfied manner.Both are textbook examples of bad screenwriting repealed by the technical brilliance of their respective directors. Though with a good deal of posters here, the lack of good dialogue and character development is akin to a badge of honor.I've been constantly surprised by the Titanic script. The more I watch it, the more I think it's really, really good. When I first saw it, I found it the lame schmaltzy love story I was expecting it to be. Now I see the love plot as just the driving force of the film, and it works well enough for that. But how if manages to carry the 4 hour film, and how it actually takes us through the entire ship, twice, during the sinking, is perfectly done. I'll never be able to stand the modern day framing bits, though.Jurassic Park, on the other hand, got worse with every viewing. I used to love it, despite its complete failure to live up to the book, but then I was only 14 when I first saw it. But the script is mediocre at best and lame at its worst, leaving out anything (other than the actual dinos themselves) that made the book memorable, cardboarding its characters, and culminating in a deus ex machina climax that never made sense to me. It's competently directed, I guess, but it looks rather ugly for long stretches. The dino scenes were amazing for the time, of course, and several of them still hold up terrifically. But that's not enough to save a film. And neither is Williams' brilliant score, which is one of his best both on album and in the film. I love the spotting in this (although some of it seems to have been helped by moving bits around during editing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 been constantly surprised by the Titanic script. The more I watch it, the more I think it's really, really good. When I first saw it, I found it the lame schmaltzy love story I was expecting it to be. Now I see the love plot as just the driving force of the film, and it works well enough for that. But how if manages to carry the 4 hour film, and how it actually takes us through the entire ship, twice, during the sinking, is perfectly done. I'll never be able to stand the modern day framing bits, though.I have only seen it twice. The dialogue is atrocious, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Jurassic Park, like Jaws, was better than the original novel, imo. Crichton's original story was never really remarkable anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Jaws was an easy read but Jurassic Park was a hard slog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 JP novel starts out awesome, then it drags and inevitably, as with Jaws, I prefer the film version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Maybe the kids novelisation version is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think I had that, with the color photos in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 been constantly surprised by the Titanic script. The more I watch it, the more I think it's really, really good. When I first saw it, I found it the lame schmaltzy love story I was expecting it to be. Now I see the love plot as just the driving force of the film, and it works well enough for that. But how if manages to carry the 4 hour film, and how it actually takes us through the entire ship, twice, during the sinking, is perfectly done. I'll never be able to stand the modern day framing bits, though.I have only seen it twice. The dialogue is atrocious, methinks.you're way to critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The Secret of KellsOkay. This was interesting. Some visually arresting parts, due to deleting the effect of depth on purpose. The representation of the invading Northmen as almost grunting orcs is hilarious/intense (depending on how you look at it) and it works great. Lots in magic in some parts of the film. Maybe it would have been way cooler in Gaelic, but then it possibly wouldn't have been made However, not everything is great. The character of Cellach is underveloped, even after scenes hinting at more. The Aisling character has an abrupt closure, and the ending feels rushed and completely anticlimatic. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Porky'sAwful... not funny at all. It's hard to swallow that the director of Black Christmas was responsible for this piece of garbage. It's like an '80s Michael Bay's Transformers, only with less robots and more pubic hair. The guys are obnoxious horndogs, the women are stereotypes or stupid (or both), and it's plain ugly to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 An 80's classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 An 80's classic!We must've seen different movies then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jaws and Jaws 2.Ok, I understand I will be crucified for this, but I find Jaws 2 much more engaging than Jaws.Especially the 2nd part.I cared more about the helpless kids threatened by the shark, than the 3 men that went with equipment and guns to get the shark (also the Quint character wasn't likeable to me at all)!Also, I like the score more too with those impressionistic passages..Is there anyone here that prefers the sequel too? edit: In view of Stefan's post below, I'll rephrase:Is there any other idiot here like me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I love the creativity in this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jaws and Jaws 2.Ok, I understand I will be crucified for this, but I find Jaws 2 much more engaging than Jaws.Especially the 2nd part.I cared more about the helpless kids threatened by the shark, than the 3 men that went with equipment and guns to get the shark (also the Quint character wasn't likeable to me at all)!Also, I like the score more too with those impressionistic passages..Is there anyone here that prefers the sequel too? edit: In view of Stefan's post below, I'll rephrase:Is there any other idiot here like me? Can we bring the banhammer down please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Best to nuke Greece from orbit, its the only way to be sure!Jaws 2 is an outstanding score, a totally splendid follow up to the first one with some furious action writing, interesting underwater music and a superb closing fanfare.But it isn't quite as special as Jaws, which was simpler, more primal, and more special somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jaws is a masterpiece of character, scripting, acting, score, editing, and directing. One of the best movies ever made. Period. Jaws 2 is a fun dumb shark movie with a lot of screaming teenagers.Jaws and Jaws 2.Ok, I understand I will be crucified for this, but I find Jaws 2 much more engaging than Jaws.I find it interesting that you use that word since the original has some of the most engaging characters ever recorded on film. The second, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jaws is a masterpiece of character, scripting, acting, score, editing, and directing. One of the best movies ever made. Period. Jaws 2 is a fun dumb shark movie.Jaws and Jaws 2.Ok, I understand I will be crucified for this, but I find Jaws 2 much more engaging than Jaws.I find it interesting that you use that word since the original has some of the most engaging characters ever recording on film. The second, not so much.well, i found the situation more engaging.Not the characters.Surely the Dreyfuss character and Quint's are more engaging than those of the kids (though as I 've said the latter wasn't likeable to me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Quint wasn't supposed to be likeable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Quint wasn't supposed to be likeable!yeah, i understand. I didn't present it as a drawback of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You actually did!And most of the kids in Jaws 2 are rather dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Like Pubs said, it's all the the eye of the beholder. If filmmusic says Jaws 2 is the more accomplished movie of the two then who are we to say it's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 History, public opinion, common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 What if filmmusic is right and everybody else is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You don't believe that. You of all people don't believe that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 He's talking out of his arse just to be contrary, we know that. If filmmusic had said Alien Resurrection was "more accomplished" than Scott's Alien Alex would have gone to defcon 1 and begun another typical character assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I really can't take Alex seriously anymore.Not after he refused to consider watching Fury Road because too many people here loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Meh, circle of JWFan life init. Easy to ignore if you know how it works here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Meh, circle of JWFan life init. Easy to ignore if you know how it works here.Easy for you to say, with kids and a hot new fiancé to distract you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Like Pubs said, it's all the the eye of the beholder. If filmmusic says Jaws 2 is the more accomplished movie of the two then who are we to say it's not?Now, I didn 't say that.I said it was more engaging to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I love the creativity in this movie.Now there's a Barry pastiche if there ever was one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Like Pubs said, it's all the the eye of the beholder. If filmmusic says Jaws 2 is the more accomplished movie of the two then who are we to say it's not?Now, I didn 't say that.I said it was more engaging to me.You obviously don't have a real grasp of movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Meh, circle of JWFan life init. Easy to ignore if you know how it works here.Easy for you to say, with kids and a hot new fiancé to distract you!Just waiting for Star Wars now and the circle will be complete.Oh hang on it might be rubbish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 It wont be worse then the Prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 That much is certain, and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thats gotta be some comfort to JJ. He can't actually do any worse then the creator of Star Wars has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I really can't take Alex seriously anymore.Not after he refused to consider watching Fury Road because too many people here loved it.I don't refuse to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Talk to the hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Like Pubs said, it's all the the eye of the beholder. If filmmusic says Jaws 2 is the more accomplished movie of the two then who are we to say it's not?Now, I didn 't say that.I said it was more engaging to me.Accomplished, engaging, better, ... Whatever floats your boat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 So if I were to state that i thought Soldier was a better film then Blade Runner, you would find that acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Like Pubs said, it's all the the eye of the beholder. If filmmusic says Jaws 2 is the more accomplished movie of the two then who are we to say it's not?Now, I didn 't say that.I said it was more engaging to me.Accomplished, engaging, better, ... Whatever floats your boat! I can think of a film as more engaging than another, but not necessarily better than the other.I don't know. Maybe I didn't choose the right word?I meant that I was more on the edge of my seat in Jaws 2 than Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 So you're saying Jaws 2 is more of a thriller while Jaws 1 is more of an adventure movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 So you're saying Jaws 2 is more of a thriller while Jaws 1 is more of an adventure movie?Well, maybe.Certainly its 2nd part with the kids is more terrifying to me than the 2nd part of Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 So you're saying Jaws 2 is more of a thriller while Jaws 1 is more of an adventure movie?Well, maybe.Certainly its 2nd part with the kids is more terrifying to me than the 2nd part of Jaws.Terrifying in that you were scared the really annoying kids wouldn't be killed? (Which fortunately proved to be correct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 So you're saying Jaws 2 is more of a thriller while Jaws 1 is more of an adventure movie?Well, maybe.Certainly its 2nd part with the kids is more terrifying to me than the 2nd part of Jaws.Terrifying in that you were scared the really annoying kids wouldn't be killed? (Which fortunately proved to be correct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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