Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Sigh. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I prefer the Tim Burton Batmans, The Rocketeer (you could argue this isn't a superhero movie, but I'd prefer it anyway), Batman: The Movie (1966) and Superman: The Movie/Superman II.I dug that the Raimi Spider-Man movies didn't take themselves so seriously and had an appreciable amount of campiness, but they also had a pretty boring protagonist, forgettable music, terrible love interest and weak villains.I actually prefer the Elfman's Spider-Man scores to his Batman scores, which were pretty dull apart from the main title music. I completely disagree with you about the villains! Doctor Ock is one of my favorite movie villains and Green Goblin isn't too bad either. I see why people hate Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane but I'm fine with her too. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I prefer my heroes to be insane, darker almost anti-heroes that murder, drive the greatest vehicle of all time and have a similarly mental love interest with big hair. And my villains to be Jack Nicholson, Christopher Walken, or a perverted Danny Devito spewing black goo from his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Batman Returns is seriously one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen. Matt C and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 That's a top 10 film for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It looks and feels like a Batman movie. The Nolan flicks look generic and bland. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It looks and feels like a Batman movie. The Nolan flicks look generic and bland.I love this film.But... really?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I like some of the cinematography in the boring third one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It looks and feels like a Batman movie. The Nolan flicks look generic and bland.I love this film.But... really?KarolGeneration gap. It's like with Bond. Each generation was brought up with a different one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It looks and feels like a Batman movie. The Nolan flicks look generic and bland.I love this film.But... really?Karol Generation gap. It's like with Bond. Each generation was brought up with a different one.I was brought up with the Brozza flicks but I vastly prefer the Rog filums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 That's a top 10 film for me.Me too.Seriously I consider it a masterpiece and it's in my top 10 favourite movies.And scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 To me it's like Hook set in New York.Loved it as a kid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It looks and feels like a Batman movie. The Nolan flicks look generic and bland.I love this film.But... really?Karol Generation gap. It's like with Bond. Each generation was brought up with a different one.I was brought up with the Brozza flicks but I vastly prefer the Rog filums.... says the guy who was brought up with Burton Batman movies and who prefers them over Nolan Batman movies.BTW, I'm talking about generations, not one individual. Alexandre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It's a weird, Frankenstein monster of a movie. So many great things in it. So many lousy things. Watching is always a weird experience. Like banging miss Universe only to realize she has syphilis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It's still Miss Universe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I prefer my heroes to be insane, darker almost anti-heroes that murder, drive the greatest vehicle of all time and have a similarly mental love interest with big hair. And my villains to be Jack Nicholson, Christopher Walken, or a perverted Danny Devito spewing black goo from his mouth. I hate that movie... you might as well have dubbed it Penguin & Catwoman for all the focus it has on Batman. My biggest beef with it is the fucking Penguin character, which was done better in the 1990s animated series. And then the over-the-top production design, a big insult to Anton Furst. And then there's that climax. There's suspension of disbelief and then there's penguins with rocket launchers. That belongs in a Roger Corman film, not a studio film like Batman Returns.It looks and feels like a Batman movie. The Nolan flicks look generic and bland.It looks and feels like a Tim Burton film, but it sure as hell ain't a Batman movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I didn't mind the production design but everything felt stiff and lacked a certain self-evidence, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 And?My review of Whiplash.http://assortedbuffery.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/dvd-review-whiplash.html?m=1Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It looks and feels like a Batman movie. The Nolan flicks look generic and bland. It looks and feels like a Tim Burton film, but it sure as hell ain't a Batman movie.When I was a kid, I didn't know what a "Tim Burton movie" looked like. It just looked like a Batman movie to me.I like how it's still the most polarising Batman movie ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 To a degree, I can see why Batman Returns is loved by some. Not a fan of the revamped Gotham city, but the camerawork is beautiful. And Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman is a fetishist's wet dream. The way Pfeiffer plays her begs for a better movie to put her in, she would tear it up with Jack Nicholson's Joker. Or even in Nolan's Batman movies.But every time Danny DeVito's Penguin shows up, I gnash my teeth. And Walken annoys me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It's a weird, Frankenstein monster of a movie. So many great things in it. So many lousy things. Watching is always a weird experience. Like banging miss Universe only to realize she has syphilisWhat movie are we talking about? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,291 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 And?My review of Whiplash.http://assortedbuffery.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/dvd-review-whiplash.html?m=1KarolNice review, definitely agree about Simmons and Teller, and that the economy of the whole thing is really impressive. No wasted moments and it has a ton of punch for such a small scale.Though I will point out that this is actually Chazelle's second film. His debut was Guy and Madeline on a Park Bench, an interesting little film in its own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It's a weird, Frankenstein monster of a movie. So many great things in it. So many lousy things. Watching is always a weird experience. Like banging miss Universe only to realize she has syphilisWhat movie are we talking about? lolBatman Returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The Two TowersDrags a little in the middle but the ending battle more than makes up for it. Gandalf's appearance at the end is one of my favorite "hell yeah!" moments in movies.I'm fine with the extended edition of this one (Return of the King on the other hand...) if only for the inclusion of the wonderful Merry/Pippin food scene at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I realize that penguins with rocket launchers is ridiculous, but it makes perfect sense in the context of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I realize that penguins with rocket launchers is ridiculous, but it makes perfect sense in the context of the film.They destroyed the zoo. They would've flattened the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Watched Mulholland Drive, after many many years. It's still really engaging. My memory of it was pretty accurate.Karol Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I realize that penguins with rocket launchers is ridiculous, but it makes perfect sense in the context of the film.Ehhh... don't really see it that way. If Burton wanted to do a homage to the 1960s TV series, then penguins with rocket launchers would've been right at home with, say, the anti-shark spray. But the tone of BR is inconsistent. It wants to be a sexed-up Gothic Christmas pseudo-fantasy with Batman in it, but the penguins just ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter.anschutz 43 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Well this isn't Batman, but I watched for the first time yesterday the biopic Erin Brockovich. I liked Thomas Newman's work on that film, and the film in general.You may now continue discussing Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not for me!Or me.The penguins are fucking hilarious, and perfectly fit with the film's comic non sequitors. It's that strange mix of post-modern sleaze and camp pulpiness that makes the film so compelling. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Plus, the fact that Batman kills people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Batman shouldn't kill people! It's against his code! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Watched Mulholland Drive, after many many years. It's still really engaging. My memory of it was pretty accurate.KarolLove that movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Batman shouldn't kill people! It's against his code!This is such horseshit. That "rule" wasn't invented until like the 80s, and then ignored by the films, and even certain comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Watched Mulholland Drive, after many many years. It's still really engaging. My memory of it was pretty accurate.KarolLove that movieIt is his best. Curious that it was developed as a pilot for television series and about the first 90 minutes was that and the rest was added later. It works very well indeed.Karol - who needs to revisit Blue Velvet soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I actually prefer Lynch when he is in his 'normal' mode. His zany movies strike me more and more as gimmicky.Who is with me?!Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Those two are among his most normal. Mulholland Drive actually makes sense, more or less.Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not for me!Or me.The penguins are fucking hilarious, and perfectly fit with the film's comic non sequitors. It's that strange mix of post-modern sleaze and camp pulpiness that makes the film so compelling. It's my favourite Batman movie. What breaks it is the odd pace, not the penguins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not for me!Or me.The penguins are fucking hilarious, and perfectly fit with the film's comic non sequitors. It's that strange mix of post-modern sleaze and camp pulpiness that makes the film so compelling. It's my favourite Batman movie. What breaks it is the odd pace, not the penguins.And that it makes very little sense.But then, all the other three are equally as dumb. Probably even more.Batman Returns is much more clever film, though. It has an actual content, beyond its comic book origins. More adult at that. And some artistic direction. It might not have anything to do with the source material, true, but is a lot of fan. The silent film/German expressionism nods are really cool. And they go beyond Max Schreck name.Karol - who loves occult symbolism references on Schreck's ball costume Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If they made a DC universe with the tone of it I would be on board. The way it's simultaneously dark and openly absurd.The radar doing duck sounds always cracks me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yeah, that was quite funny. And Ice Princess subplot. Some of the dialogue is really naughty. I don't know how they got past studios censors.I love the political satire of Batman Returns. It's probably the best thing about it.And yeah, Elfman at his best. That too.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Just the pussy I was looking for crocodile and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Straight Story was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 The world of Batman Returns is a pretty awful place, where the majority of men are chauvinistic pigs and majority of women are just nitwits. It's very much a man's world filled with corporate greed and repression. It's not unrealistic, but it's not exactly subtle in its misanthropy. Bruce and Selina break away from the social norms and they're the weirdos. Aristocracy forges the "villains" in this film, who are really tragic characters. Socialite Pee-Wee and Simone cast out the deformed baby (analogy for intolerance/unacceptance), Max (the true villain of this film) literally pushes Selina over the edge. Bruce is the only person using his wealth for good, but even he's a flawed character. He kills numerous people and perhaps hypocritically attempts to pass judgement on Selina later in the film for attempting to kill Max, reminding her that the laws of their society in fact still apply to them. Of course, he could be trying to save her from becoming more like him, and you have to wonder just what sort of laws actually exist in such a place. This is a film with serious layers. Great flick. Great friggin' flick. Plus, Batman KILLS PEOPLE! And it's AWESOME! crocodile and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 That particular shot is the best any actor has ever looked wearing the Batman mask Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Those two are among his most normal. Mulholland Drive actually makes sense, more or less.KarlHmm, it's widely considered to be one of his 'brainfuck' movies, crocs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 No, it's not. It actually makes complete sense. You just need to watch it carefully. Unlike The lost Highway and Inland Empire. Now, these are bonkers. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 No, it's not. KarolYou're the only one who thinks Mulholland Drive is considered to be a conventional movie like The Straight Story or The Elephant Man. The latter two use a straightforward narrative where you don't have figure things out to make sense out of it. Nobody puts Mulholland Drive in that category. Nobody, crocs.You know what you have to do ...Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 The only thing I remember from Mulholland Dr. is how every time the movie starts to drag, Lynch throws a random lesbian sex scene at the viewer. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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