Incanus 5,725 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 b) learning that the theme used in the Lincoln trailer was based on a theme by Copland. This isn't any major theft because JW changes it a lot, but still.I listened to the piece and only the opening 4 notes of the music, that in a slightly changed harmony open the People's House carry obvious similarity. It is a shame that it ruined the whole theme for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I guess you could say John is more a "grand editor" of Western music than a composer.BOOM! Right in the balls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Oh god, another debate if 'originality' is measured by a few similar-sounding bars. As if LINCOLN suddenly would transform in a unique monument to innovation if the four notes were changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I have barely listened to anything this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,442 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 TOP 5 film score re-releasesHookChamber of Secrets sessionsKingdom of the Crystal Skull sessionsStar Trek: The Motion PicturePersonal highlight of the yearSeeing Williams & Spielberg in Atlanta; in particular, hearing Fawkes the Phoenix and the Star Wars themeWilliams' 80th birthday celebration at TanglewoodDisappointment of the yearThe Hobbit score as heard in the film, though I'm excited to hear the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Best new scores:"Warhorse". I include this, because the UK did not get either the film or the cd until January this year. I also Like "The Hobbit", and "Skyfall" (even though I think that Thomas Newman is not right for James Bond).Best re-issue? I'll give you a hint: THERE IS NO COMPARISOM!!!!!!!!JB's "King Kong" wasn't bad, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 b) learning that the theme used in the Lincoln trailer was based on a theme by Copland. This isn't any major theft because JW changes it a lot, but still.I listened to the piece and only the opening 4 notes of the music, that in a slightly changed harmony open the People's House carry obvious similarity. It is a shame that it ruined the whole theme for you.Oh, it didn't ruin the entire theme for me. I'm actually working on an analysis for FSMO and I've realized how clever the theme is. And JW takes it to places Copland never did. But it's still a little disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 By what I read about the Lincoln score in the film I think I'm going to miss music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 1. Journey 2-*****2. Life of Pi-****3. Lincoln-****4. The Amazing Spider-Man-****5. The Hobbit-**** (I'll need to re-listen to it sometime).Pretty disappointing year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,144 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The Dark Knight Rises is far from a cut and paste job, I don't get why everyone is all over that score for reusing past themes.Okay, I generally have good feelings toward the score, so don't take me as a Zimmer hater, but there are large chunks of the score that are just completely taken out of the past two films. It's not like it's a reference to them; it just feels lazy. I was and still am very disappointed that Zimmer chose to end his trilogy of scores by thoughtlessly repeating an almost identical version of the ending from The Dark Knight.It's not reusing themes. Not at all. It's straight up reusing music. It sounds very bad to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 456 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 TOP 5 new film scores:1) Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 22) Marvel's The Avengers3) Brave4) Life of Pi5) The ImpossibleTOP 5 film score re-releases 1) King Kong Lives2) Predator3) Hook4) The Black Cauldron5) Conan the BarbarianOther music (games, TV etc.)"Young Justice" (Lolita Ritmanis/Kristopher Carter/Michael McCuiston)"Green Lantern: The Animated Series" (Frederik Wiedemann)Personal highlight of the year."Tenuous Winners/Returning Home", "Rue's Farewell", "You Can't Have My Heart", "Coronation", "Happy End", "John Carter (End Credits", "Getting Out the Vote", "Freedom's Call"Disappointment of the year (same as above, but inverted)Rise of the GuardiansLincoln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Hook was this year?? I'll add that to my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 A seldom mentioned release is Rózsa's THE RED HOUSE (Intrada re-recording). It is miles better than some of the generic mentioned above (AVENGERS et al.).As for new scores, i can only sayBEASTS OF THE SOUTHERN WILD (short on material but it is really catchy)LINCOLNthe impossible triple nomination of AMAZING SPIDERMAN/BLACK GOLD/GREATER GLORY (all suck to a certain degree, but feature at least one or two gorgeous ideas)RISE OF THE GUARDIANS / RUST AND BONE (one atmospheric french score and one big splashy Hollywood adventure are my inevitable Desplat picks)SINISTER (although most here will find it a tad too experimental)THE MASTER (dito)COSMOPOLIS (Shore in his slightly hip minimal mode which ooze big city atmosphere, it's good)maybe ANNA KARENINA, but i must listen to it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 You just reminded me that I need to listen to a lot more stuff. Didn't know Desplat did Rust And Bone. Is there a score release for that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 https://itunes.apple.com/fr/album/rouille-et-dos-bande-originale/id525545237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Right... the best ... so far... TOP 5 new scores BEL AMI - Rachel Portman ZERO DARK THIRTY - Alexandre Desplat THE AWAKENING - Daniel Pemberton DE ROUILLE ET D'OS - Alexandre Desplat COLUMBUS CIRCLE - Brian Tyler TOP 5 re-issues and first-time releases Condorman - Henry Mancini Diario de una ninfómana - Roque Banos / Mariano Marin Die Hard with a Vengeance - Michael Kamen Charade - Henry Mancini Topaz - Maurice Jarre games & tv Kinect Star Wars - Kyle Newmaster / Goordy Haab Fringe, Season IV - Chris Tilton Personal highlight of the year. Inside the Actor's Studio by Angelo Badalamenti, the SUITE arranged and conducted by Dirk Brossé in 2010 with the Brussels Philharmonic Disappointment of the year Battleship Hitchcock Rise of the Guardians Skyfall Good scores that almost made it into the top 5, but couldn't compete with the winners, are: Dark Shadows - Danny Elfman The Hobbit - Howard Shore Lincoln - John Williams The Amazing Spider-Man - James Horner Also, haven't had a chance to listen to JACK REACHER, yet. If you trust the rumors, it could be the next big thing, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 TOP new scoresLincolnSkyfallTOP re-issuesHookPersonal highlight of the year.Exit music from Hook.Thomas Coolman with BondDisappointment of the yearAll the Lotr music in the Hobbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Kinect Star Wars - Kyle Newmaster / Goordy HaabIn my opinion, the composers have done a great job, of course it isn't a masterpiece, but it's a surprising work . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,747 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 My Favorite Scores of 20121. The Hobbit2. Skyfall -- And I wasn't expecting much from Newman!3. The AvengersMy Favorite Re-Releases1. Hook2. Star Trek: The Motion Picture3. Conan the Barbarian4. Star Trek: First ContactPersonal Highlight of the YearThe sessions leaks for Crystal Skull and Chamber of SecretsDisappointment of the YearThe score for The Dark Knight Rises Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Kinect Star Wars - Kyle Newmaster / Goordy HaabIn my opinion, the composers have done a great job, of course it isn't a masterpiece, but it's a surprising work .Yeah;- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Just listened to some parts of Lo Impossible. Might be the best score of the year, it's probably the best dramatic score at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 TOP 5 new scores1. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Howard Shore)2. The Master by Jonny Greenwood3. Lincoln by John Williams4. John Carter by Michael Giacchino5. The Amazing Spider-Man by James HornerThe other stuff: It was a very strong year for James Horner. Originality issues aside, his three scores were all very enjoyable. One the other hand, Danny Elfman didn't deliver a single memorable work this year, which for me is quite surprising. Hopefully, next year? Skyfall was ok, so was Desplat's Guardians score (if somewhat too Hollywood). The Dark Knight Rises played relatively well on album, but in the film it was often too much (which apparently was the intention). And that's pretty much all I bought this year (apart from Jack Reacher , which is coming out in January 2013 but is technically speaking a 2012 score).TOP 5 re-releases1. Edge of Darkness (Music from the Edge) by John Corigliano: simply the best single album I bought this year2. Die Hard 2: Die Harder by Michael Kamen: a more crowdpleasing version of this music, clearly the most entertaining album of the three released over the last year3. Batman Forever by Elliot Goldenthal: a brilliant work which on discs feels almost like a post-modern ballet of sorts4. Predator by Alan Silvestri: something I wanted to have for a long time, but missed out on twice!5. Back to Gaya by Michael Kamen: a sweet tribute album of sortsThe other stuff: Again, this year most for me dominated by scores released under this category. And what a great time it was. We got no less than 5 complete Star Trek film works released on CD! John Barry's King Kong score almost made a cut, I'm really enjoying it. Some more Batman: The Animated Series was an another highlight. Ben-Hur got a spectacular treatment, as did Quo Vadis in a re-recording department. Oh and I liked The Shadow and The Untouchables quite a bit as well.Highlight of the year: Meeting Elliot Goldenthal and his great concert in Krakow. Magic.Disappointment of the year: La-La Land's Hook release. Listened to it only once, I think. A rare misstep from otherwise brilliant soundtrack label.Karol - surprised that three of his favourite scores this year come from rather mediocre Hollywood movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Am I correct in guessing that you consider Spiderman John Carter and Hobbit the mediocre Hollywood films and Master and Lincoln the good ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 Well, yes. Mediocre. Not that I didn't enjoy them, but there's nothing special about them. Haven't seen Lincoln yet and The Master was the best film of the year, certainly.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,410 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 TOP 5 film score re-releasesHookStar Trek TOS 15 Disc CollectionStar Trek: The Motion PictureStar Trek IVStar Trek VIPersonal highlight of the yearAll these Recording SessionsDisappointment of the yearThe Hobbit score as heard in the OST, though I was excited to hear it as in the Film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 TOP 5 new film scores 1. The Hobbit2. Lincoln3. Amazing Spider-Man4. Anna Karenina5. Life of PiPersonal highlight of the yearMeeting Michael Giacchino and spending time with him in March.Disappointment of the year Skyfail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Other music (games, TV etc.)"Young Justice" (Lolita Ritmanis/Kristopher Carter/Michael McCuiston)"Green Lantern: The Animated Series" (Frederik Wiedemann)I'm curious; have you ever watched Young Justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieC 13 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Guys, have you seen this ? http://edit.hollywoodreporter.com/node/405739/hollywoodreporter.com/news/zero-dark-thirty-life-pi-404029 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Heard Jack Reacher now, Jason. It's good, but hardly top 5 material.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Top 10 for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted February 12, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2013 People seem to be bored of some of the discussion here lately,so I thought I'd share my "Music Muse Awards", which is little more than a bunch of lists My opinions aren't going to be very popular I'm afraid, but I'll share them anyways. http://music-muse.com/2013/02/12/music-muse-awards-2012/ What were your favourites or impressions of 2012? crocodile, indy4, Hlao-roo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 The things I remember from 2012 (off top of my head): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=765mje8tW_Ehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8-R-9EtQ4ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B00re4Cw9ighttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa10ovtXgzIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbxdqCi_AQ Karol KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,884 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The most memorable score that I was amazed with, touched my soul and listen from time to time is W.E. (Korzeniowski)(Ok, according to imdb this is a 2011 movie, but here it was released in 2012) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 W.E. is a 2011 film and has been recognized by award bodies and critics as such. I generally categorize films by their first major release date. W.E. is a good score (despite its relative simplicity) with plenty of charming moments. It didn't quite make my top 10 in 2011 because it was such a strong year, but it's definitely not to be missed.Having said that, expect a Korzeniowski review on Thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I don't know, Life of Pi is certainly a fine score, but I'm allergic to so much ethnic influences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Just re-read this whole thread, and realized I never posted my list (probably because when the thread started there was a bunch of stuff I hadn't heard yet).Here we go now!TOP 5 FILM SCORES OF 2012:1. Howard Shore - The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey2. John Williams - Lincoln3. Michael Giacchino - John Carter4. Alexandre Desplat - Rise of the Guardians5. James Horner - The Amazing Spider-man Runners up:Chris Bacon - High GroundJoe Kraemer - Jack ReacherChristian Henson - GrabbersPino Donaggio - PassionPatrick Doyle - BraveNathan Johnson - LooperDanny Elfman - HitchcockHenry Jackman - Wreck-It-RalphJames Horner - Black GoldJames Horner - Cristiada TOP 10 INDIVIDUAL TRACKS OF 2012:1. John Williams - The Peterson House and Finale (from Lincoln)2. Michael Giacchino - John Carter of Mars (from John Carter)3. Joe Kraemer - Finale and End Credits (from Jack Reacher)4. Howard Shore - Radagast the Brown (from An Unexpected Journey)5. Howard Shore - Out of the Frying Pan (from An Unexpected Journey)6. Michael Giacchino - Ten Bitter Years (from John Carter)7. Michael Giacchino - A Thern For The Worse (from John Carter)8. Howard Shore - The Adventure Begins (from An Unexpected Journey)9. John Williams - The People's House (from Lincoln)10. John Williams - With Malice Towards None (from Lincoln) Runners up:Andrew Lockington - Mysterious Island Main Titles (from Journey 2: The Mysterious Island)Henry Jackman - Wreck-It-Ralph (from Wreck-It-Ralph)Danny Elfman - The Premiere (from Hitchcock)Danny Elfman - Paramount / Out The Gate (from Hitchcock)Harry Gregson-Williams - Life (from Prometheus)Patrick Doyle - Fate and Destiny (from Brave)Patrick Doyle - Merida's Home (from Brave)Howard Shore - My Dear Frodo (from An Unexpected Journey)Howard Shore - Warg-Scouts (from An Unexpected Journey)Howard Shore - Over Hill (from An Unexpected Journey)Howard Shore - Brass Buttons (from An Unexpected Journey)Howard Shore - A Very Respectable Hobbit (from An Unexpected Journey)Howard Shore - Dreaming of Bag End (from An Unexpected Journey)John Williams - The Purpose of the Amendment (from Lincoln)John Williams - Getting Out The Vote (from Lincoln) TOP 5 CATALOG TITLES OF 2012:1. John Williams - Hook (La-La Land)2. Michael Kamen - Die Hard With A Vengeance (La-La Land)3. Jerry Goldsmith - Star Trek: The Motion Picture (La-La Land)4. Elliot Goldenthal - Batman Forever (La-La Land)5. Jerry Goldsmith - Star Trek: First Contact (GNP Crescendo) Runners Up:Shirley Walker & Various - Batman The Animated Series Volume 2 (La-La Land)Mark Mancina - Speed (La-La Land)John Williams - The Long Goodbye (Quartet)(Sorry, Conan The Barbarian and Ben Hur fans - I haven't even heard those releases. Nor was I interested in any of the Star Trek releases of 2012 besides First Contact) BEST VIDEO GAME / TV / ETC MUSIC OF 2012:My favorite TV score of 2012 is WITHOUT QUESTION Christ Tilton and Andrea Datzman's FANTASTIC score to the short-lived TV series "Alcatraz" (pilot score by Michael Giacchino). Every week I would watch the new episode (which were are pretty good, it was a pretty good show) but just be amazed by the scoring, especially the action scoring (very reminiscent of LOST) - though the other cues had standouts too. Since the show bombed it's unlikely a release will EVER happen but damn, I would buy it in a heartbeat! The only TV/game scoring that was actually released that that comes to mind is Chris Tilton's music for Fringe (seasons 4 and 5). Good stuff! BEST FILM SCORE LABEL OF 2012:That would be La-La Land Records, no question! Their releases of Hook, Star Trek TMP, and Die Hard 3 alone cemented their lead, but adding another volume of Batman Animated music, a bunch of 90s gems (Batman Forever, Speed, The Bodyguard, Galaxy Quest, etc etc) plus great re-issues of Jane Eyre and Home Alone 2, and great new scores like Looper and Jack Reacher... just an unstoppable force of a label in 2012. This was also the year they release the Star Trek: The Original Series box set don't forget! It is no surprise they won Label of the Year at the IFMCA Awards! Interestingly, I didn't buy a single Intrada or Kritzerland release of 2012, and only bought one FSM (King Kong), one Quartet (The Long Goodbye) and one Varese (Die Hard 2). Wow! SPECIFIC HIGHLIGHTS OF 2012:No question, that's getting my name in print on a film score CD (La-La Land's HOOK release). So grateful to be involved even in a tiny way on a film score release! Beyond that, it was getting to hear Hook music we never heard before, because it wasn't in the film or on the boots (original version of the teaser music and the extra fanfare in Hook's Entrance). Howard Shore and Peter Jackson returning us to Middle Earth. The new Radagast The Brown, warg, and goblin music knocked my socks off, and the new twists on LOTR themes were so much fun! John Williams writing crazy emotional music that gets me every time just a year after doing the same thing with War Horse. War Horse and Lincoln are both filled with so many themes, and they are all so fantastic! Finally it would be Alexandre Desplat coming out of nowhere to blow me away with his Rise of the Guardians score. Also, I fell in love with the marriage of imagery and score for the opening title sequence of Life of Pi. Brilliant! BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENTS OF 2012:Score wise, Danny Elfman's Dark Shadows, Men In Black 3, Frankenweenie all being completely uninteresting. What happened Danny?Movie wise, Prometheus and The Dark Knight Rises both completely sucking. I was REALLY looking forward to both movies, and they couldn't have possibly been more disappointing.... Also; David Arnold not returning to the Bond scores for Skyfall (and I don't like Newman's score at all). Howard Shore's score to An Unexpected Journey being hacked to bits, and whole sections replaced by music almost exactly the same as LOTR cues in the final cut of the film. John Carter not being a hit with critics or movie-goers (I thought it was great, and want a sequel!). The HOOK release being required to have John Williams input and having to use the film's music stems for the last act which both led to the release not containing some great music. ~ Anybody else want to add thoughts on 2012 scores and releases? Handy list of films released in 2012: clickHandy list of specialty label releases of 2012 (have to expand each spoiler block): click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Star Trek TMP was the highlight for me, soundtrack wise.Best release ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 It pretty much is a perfect release of a fantastic score, though I personally would have moved the original LP to the start of disc 3, and the Alternates to the end of Disc 2. That way everything essential is on the first 2 discs, and you only rarely dig out disc 3. Also, Klingon Battle doesn't have a clean opening anywhere on the set for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Did you tell Neil when you met him?You owe us a picture, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Oh snap, I still have tons of pictures of post, yea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 No sweat, you were busy! All that Hobbit stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Anybody else want to comment on the best scores and films and whatnot of 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I'm actually planning to go through all those "Best of 20.." and posts my lists in each of them, just for the fun of it, when I'll have the time. I'll do it chronogically, so 2012 will be last... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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