indy4 155 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Blum's topic got me thinking about the more controversial scores JW has written. The recent stuff is probably the most, especially continuations of franchises. I'd say the prequel scores, and to a lesser extent KotCS. His concert works only seem to be discussed by those who enjoy them, so I don't know where to place them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 it seems that jurassic park theme ending is controversial...Now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Tintin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Controversial how? In that there's many who love it and hate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 I think Joey's the only one that doesn't like Hook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,521 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I'm not sure what is meant with 'controversial' in this case. Controversial in terms of style? Controversial in terms of the topic of the film? Controversial in terms of how the music is USED in the film? Controversial in terms of Williams self-referencing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 All his 90's drama scores. The great JW divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 I'm not sure what is meant with 'controversial' in this case. Controversial in terms of style? Controversial in terms of the topic of the film? Controversial in terms of how the music is USED in the film? Controversial in terms of Williams self-referencing?Meaning it divides JW fans the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Recently, I'd say Tintin and KotCS. For me, both have highlights in otherwise competent efforts and I'm sure there are plenty on either side of the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 If there's one thing JW scores aren't, it's controversial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,521 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I'm not sure what is meant with 'controversial' in this case. Controversial in terms of style? Controversial in terms of the topic of the film? Controversial in terms of how the music is USED in the film? Controversial in terms of Williams self-referencing?Meaning it divides JW fans the most.Oh. Well, I'm not sure I'm quite up-to-date on all the discussions over the years. But yeah -- TINTIN and KOTCC seem to have divided fans, like previously mentioned.Other contenders are HEARTBEEPS; SPACECAMP, PRESUMED INNOCENT, HARRY POTTER & CHAMBER OF SECRETS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 His early funky, jazzy '70s scores are able to split the Red Sea. To many fans, Williams only started to be Williams when he made the more classical sounding Jaws and Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Generally Jane Eyre is the score that people pinpoint as being the one where he first showed his true orchestral colors Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 If there's one thing JW scores aren't, it's controversial.Not in the history of art and universe they are not. But perhaps we could descend to the level of normal fan reception here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 There's hardly anything controversial in Williams' music.If we talk about fan reactions to specific works, well, you can find people spitting even on his most celebrated and famous works, so I really don't mind about that. Anyone has his/her taste. Surely there are works which are more divisive than others (especially since mid-late 1990s until today), but nothing particularly shocking or truly "controversial". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,521 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 There's hardly anything controversial in Williams' music.If we talk about fan reactions to specific works, well, you can find people spitting even on his most celebrated and famous works, so I really don't mind about that. Anyone has his/her taste. Surely there are works which are more divisive than others (especially since mid-late 1990s until today), but nothing particularly shocking or truly "controversial".True. If there's any controversy about him, it's when classical elitists look down their nose on his compositions, calling them cheap Wagner or Strauss knock-offs or whatever. But that's from a community outside our own, so probably not what indy4 had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I think Joey's the only one that doesn't like Hook Add me to that list. Hate the film even more. Seth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Saving Private Ryan.Easily one of the most divisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Saving Private Ryan.Easily one of the most divisive.Add Sleepers to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth 67 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I think Joey's the only one that doesn't like HookAdd me to that list. Hate the film even more.Me too. For the life of me I have no clue why the expanded release was so desired--and expanded Williams releases generally make me take notice. There's just too much music; the more "spiritual" stuff I like, such as You are the Pan. I also like the music that underscores the abduction sequence. But that's not even 10 minutes out of a massive score that just doesn't maintain enough interest for me to even listen to the original CD from 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 The only musical parts of Hook that draw me in are the final cues from the time Peter confronts Hook as the Pan till the beginning of the End Credits, up until the tracked material starts.The controversy I bring up is from past discussions on other boards in regards to Williams staying too close to Grusin and Delerue on several cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I outgrew Hook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 War of the Worlds is a controversial score as well. It offers you absolutely no Spielberg/Williams comfort. Even Munich backs away from complete bleakness.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,673 Posted June 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2013 Gilligan's Island. These people are shipwrecked, lost at sea, away from their loved ones, and likely to die, and Williams treats it all as one big joke. indy4, Kendal_Ozzel and airmanjerm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 The electric guitar in AOTC made a lot of people take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Images and the Flute Concert, I'd say. WOTW also pulled the rugged under some people's feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 How is IMAGES controversial? I've never seen anyone complain about it, at least not here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Generally Jane Eyre is the score that people pinpoint as being the one where he first showed his true orchestral colors Alex.Or The Reivers. That's the one that hooked Spielberg, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Nobody really talks about Images or the concerti, except those that like them. I think everybody else just isn't familiar enough with them, because if you don't like something you're less likely to spend a lot of attention on it.Images and the Flute Concert, I'd say. WOTW also pulled the rugged under some people's feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Star Wars.seriously enough with the The Planets/Kings Row comparison's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted June 3, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2013 Concerning images: "People don't know what they like, they like what they know" Pieter Boelen, Miguel Andrade and Muad'Dib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 It's curious that people don't like Images, I can understand the more complex passages perhaps, but it's got some really accesible and fascinating stuff. Blood Moon and Dogs, Ponies and Old Ruins being the prime example of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Easily the most devisive is "Images". It's the Marmite of JW scores - you either love it, or you hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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