Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Well it’s certainly better than Star Track! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2017 Sequel titled Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald Cast photo, Jude Law as Dumbles on the left Will, John and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 And Depp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Sounds like a pretty dumb title! I really liked the first one, but man Johnny Depp's weird mugging was very out of place. Not excited about a larger role for him. Should have kept Colin Farrel. leeallen01 and idril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2017 idril, Pieter Boelen and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 What a drab cast photo! No surprise coming from Yates, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Why don't they remove the Fantastic Beasts from the title? Even the plot summary doesn't mention them. I want political drama, not more animal-catching. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 For better or worse, that's the series branding. The "Harry Potter and" of the new series. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 Bit of a meh title but I loved the first film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 516 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 He will look like that in 1927 (46 years old) but about 11 years later he will look like this (57 years old) and then five years later he will look like this (61 years old) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 That's the wonder of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Fantastic Beasts: Legend of The Sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 It's an extremely awful title. But I really liked the first movie and loved the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Should've been: "Fantastic Beasts and Grindelwald's Revenge". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 "Fantastic Wizard Criminals and How to Find Them" Crap, they would run out of fantastic things to find after two movies. Pieter Boelen and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Wow! This is set in the same universe as Har... oh. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I'm...getting accustomed to the Crimes of Grindelwald as a title. I guess it jars with the Fantastic Beasts but we're stuck with those as a series title. Yeah this gets me excited overall (despite the typical Yates drabness for the photo!) and I love love love how the idea of Jude Law as Dumbledore. But Johnny Depp...whyyyy... Colin Farrell was so good as Grindelwald and the twist ending in the first film just ruined something I'd really enjoyed. Johnny Depp is great in some ways but I can't help feel he will be a joke as Grindelwald in comparison with the sexy but menacing Colin. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 minute ago, idril said: I'm...getting accustomed to the Crimes of Grindelwald as a title. I guess it jars with the Fantastic Beasts but we're stuck with those as a series title. Yeah this gets me excited overall (despite the typical Yates drabness for the photo!) and I love love love how the idea of Jude Law as Dumbledore. But Johnny Depp...whyyyy... Colin Farrell was so good as Grindelwald and the twist ending in the first film just ruined something I'd really enjoyed. Johnny Depp is great in some ways but I can't help feel he will be a joke as Grindelwald in comparison with the sexy but menacing Colin. I agree with every word idril 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Why did they recast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 They didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Spoilers? . . . They didn't recast, Johnny Depp was disguised as Colin Farrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Ah. Polyjuice Potion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 It's unclear. No details are given, because, who cares? Go watch the sequel to see if we'll answer that question or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idril 86 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 JK confirmed it was an advanced spell and not Polyjuice but none of this is made clear in-film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Ah. I haven't seen it yet, so just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 It looks even blander than the first Fantastic Beasts. The bits at Hogwarts look promising (as well as Jude Law's Dumbledore), but the new characters are otherwise blah. I wish J.K. Rowling had left the Wizarding World as it was after Deathly Hallows. Newt and Grindelwald are some of the blandest Potter characters out there. It reeks of a cash-in, and she doesn't need the money any more. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 We watched the new trailer last night too. I kind of liked the first Beasts film, and in general find the Dumbledore / Grindlewald backstory as discussed in the original Harry Potter books interesting, and isn't the worst idea to be filmed as a movie. BUT. FIVE films to tell this story? WAYYY too much. And yes, Newt is a complete charisma free character, at least as played by Redmayne. This trailer doesn't excite me at all about this second film despite liking the first one, though it doesn't help that they use really bad modern trailer style music instead of the actual style of music all 9 films in the series have been scored with (classic orchestral). Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I think there's barely enough story for three Beasts films, let alone five. I wish I could talk with J.K.R. in person just to ask her "Why? Why five films? Is WB that hard up for franchise material?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Bring on the James Newton Howard!! Bilbo and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, Matt C said: I think there's barely enough story for three Beasts films, let alone five. I wish I could talk with J.K.R. in person just to ask her "Why? Why five films? Is WB that hard up for franchise material?" 1 hour ago, Jay said: BUT. FIVE films to tell this story? WAYYY too much. Rowling had a seven book plan for Harry Potter from the get-go. Obviously a lot of details changed, but the length and main beats were set. We don't know what the movies are going to be about, and I don't know why we would say "stop at 3" when we don't know the story they're trying to tell, but I would assume the five-film plan followed that same line of thought. Thought the new preview looked dumb and the music wasn't great, but I felt the same way about promotion for the last one and really enjoyed the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 JKR was all bullshit about that so-called "grand plan". She just made it all up as she went along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I have no doubt that the books changed in the writing (as they should - no good writer would be rigid to a ten-year-old outline), but Rowling was always consistent during the writing about the series being seven books, and structured the Hogwarts years as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I think she did a wonderful job presenting books that do, indeed, grow darker and more mature from entry to entry. But in terms of an actual planting-and-payoff mechanisms, I find her projects severly lacking. I quit reading Harry Potter quite early on, but especially in rewatching the films lately you see something like the relationship she builds between Harry and Luna, which feels tailor-made to be the basis to a romance, but instead of following it through, she - in the eleventh hour - chooses to turn Jinny into the romantic interest. Its something that is, arguably, too big to fault the screenwriter for not changing for the sake of the film, so the fault rests squarely in the hands of JK Rowling. Which is to say nothing about her planting the idea that Bellatrix is responsible for the death of Neville's parents, only for her to be killed by... mrs. Wisley? If I were a screenwriter on the film, I would have changed that entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone ship Luna and Harry before and tbh I hope I never do again. I think it’s great that’s Harry has platonic relationships with the likes of Luna and Hermione. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I don't "ship". I look at it in terms of narrative utility. i.e. for pieces of information introduced into the narrative to pay-off later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I never got any romantic vibes between Harry and Luna in the books at all. A little bit in the film version of 5, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Its certainly a better set-up relationship than his and Ginny's.... That's the definition of "show, don't tell." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I wouldn't have minded Harry/Ginny if she had a personality and we got to know her. She might as well be Rey, given how superwomanish she's described. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Yeah, movie 5 gives off very wrong vibes for Harry and Luna, and movie 6 completely fucks up the Ginny romance along with basically everything else. It's a bit quick in the book, too, but there's a lot of planting in the early parts you only notice on the nth read. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, mstrox said: Rowling had a seven book plan for Harry Potter from the get-go. Obviously a lot of details changed, but the length and main beats were set. We don't know what the movies are going to be about, and I don't know why we would say "stop at 3" when we don't know the story they're trying to tell, but I would assume the five-film plan followed that same line of thought. Thought the new preview looked dumb and the music wasn't great, but I felt the same way about promotion for the last one and really enjoyed the movie. 1 I know sometimes during writing when you plan out plot beats and length, the final product can be much longer and different than expected. But still... I'm just side-eying the five movie plan. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Matt C said: But still... I'm just side-eying the five movie plan. It's ridiculous. Because...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I felt burned on the first one. I'm skipping out on Crimes of Grindelwald and the following three sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Oh, don't get me wrong. I've had enough of JK Rowling and the adaptations of her work well into the Harry Potter series already. I also think that its going to make a very wierd marathon viewing experience: The "charm", for lack of a better word, of the first Harry Potter film is the introduction to the magical world. But now that its supposed to come after five prequels.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Ehh, I liked the first Fantastic Beasts, and though no masterpiece, I think Rowling is very good at writing consistent and believable characters, and did like Eddie Redmayne’s Newt. Also, that killer score by JNH helped! Pieter Boelen and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Holko said: Yeah, movie 5 gives off very wrong vibes for Harry and Luna, and movie 6 completely fucks up the Ginny romance along with basically everything else. It's a bit quick in the book, too, but there's a lot of planting in the early parts you only notice on the nth read. It's not like it came completely out of nowhere because obviously the entirety of COS, she has a crush on him and Rowling pays that off with some pretty standard romantic imagery in the finale where Harry has to slay the monster to save the damsel. I get what she was doing with having Harry interested in Cho Chang through 3-5 only to have it end awkwardly, but all the time put into him pining for her meant that I never really bought why Harry would suddenly be that into Ginny the next year. Obviously they spend a lot of time together in groups but I think they have like one conversation alone in OOTP. Harry's love life in general is one of the weakest aspects of the series but ultimately so irrelevant to the story and his character arc that I could never get myself to care because I never felt that strongly about his chemistry with anybody. His relationship with Ginny was basically just there to get Harry into the Weasley family but really it makes more sense that he would have found somebody later in life after he'd dealt with all the trauma and depression lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The major thing that may paint their relationship more as out of nowhere for us readers is that there are a few summers they spend together (particularly the one between 5 and 6) that we never see most of because it's just not relevant to the plot, but probably provide place for a lot of foundation-laying for their future relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Well yeah, but even then she could have made up little random things to mention in her usual summaries of what happened over the summer. Stuff that would stick out and feel like a possible little hint of something. Say they got into wizard chess marathons with friendly chats about nothing in particular that would last until 1 in the morning after everyone else had gone to bed. Instead the impression is pretty much that he and Ron are glued at the hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Bofur01 said: Ehh, I liked the first Fantastic Beasts, and though no masterpiece, I think Rowling is very good at writing consistent and believable characters, and did like Eddie Redmayne’s Newt. Also, that killer score by JNH helped! I love Rowling's writing on the page and she does craft consistent and believable characters throughout her writing (especially her Comoran strike novels). But her debut screenplay for Fantastic Beasts... I don't know if her inexperience with the format or whether David Yates' direction is at fault. Probably both. While I have some grudges against Steven Kloves in terms of adapting the Potter books (or giving other characters' lines to Hermione), I felt Rowling's book spirit in his screenplays better than she has on her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The only really exceptional part of the first movie was the blonde. She appears for like a second in this trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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