mrbellamy 6,287 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Me too, expertly paced as well. Wish Abrams had come up with a better shot for Han falling, though, something sorta underwhelming about that to me. I'm not totally in love with how the Starkiller elegy goes with it either tbh, though it's beautiful for the cheek stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I think Harrison Ford's performance completely sold the "surrogate father/daughter" relationship that was beginning to blossom between he and Rey. I also agree that the death scene was played wonderfully by Ford and Driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It was alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yes the performances were fine, but the entire setting, idea, and execution of it all was stupid. It was obviously going to happen from a mile off, and I was never convinced that Kylo was going to give up his Saber. Plus the rail-less walkway, the CGI body falling into the abyss. All so cliche and lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Yep. The prime example of what I'm getting at. Fight choreography as a physical extension of the characters emotional confrontation. Gosh, Empire Strikes Back sure is good, huh? Based on that criteria, or any other, I think Obi Wan/Darth Maul is the best duel we've seen. It feels like a real confrontation between two people using this arcane form of physical and mental combat. There's a certain brutality to it, but it still seems like a refined, almost elegant thing without going into overly florid choreography. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Quote Yes the performances were fine, but the entire setting, idea, and execution of it all was stupid. It was obviously going to happen from a mile off, and I was never convinced that Kylo was going to give up his Saber. Plus the rail-less walkway, the CGI body falling into the abyss. All so cliche and lazy. Like th Star Wars has always been all about dem cliches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: the CGI body falling into the abyss. All so cliche and lazy. That's a Star Wars tradition of sorts actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED Edit: thank you Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just now, Muad'Dib said: Star Wars has always been all about dem cliches. Just now, Stefancos said: That's a Star Wars tradition of sorts actually. Exactly my point. Tired, overused and lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Based on that criteria, or any other, I think Obi Wan/Darth Maul is the best duel we've seen. It feels like a real confrontation between two people using this arcane form of physical and mental combat. There's a certain brutality to it, but it still seems like a refined, almost elegant thing without going into overly florid choreography. From a purely aesthetic view it's probably the most impressive, and it does express the millennia-old conflict between Jedi and Sith more effectively than any of Lucas's writing. But on an emotional confrontation it's purely one-sided and subsequently limited. Maul as a character is little more than a cipher with Halloween face-paint and a cool lightsaber. There's nothing going on there beyond a menacing stare. Obi-Wan could be fighting anyone. 21 minutes ago, Stefancos said: That's a Star Wars tradition of sorts actually. It's like poetry... mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 37 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: Plus the rail-less walkway, the CGI body falling into the abyss. All so cliche and lazy. About that, what does the SW universe have against rails and barriers to keep people from falling from great heights? Are people in those movies so unconcerned about health and safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Health and safety risk assessments havent reached that part of the universe yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2017 Because Vader hated 'hand' rails. He always felt like they were taking the piss. Remember Vader and Luke's duel in Cloud City; Vader didn't want to destroy Luke, he wanted to destroy all the hand rails, but Luke kept getting in the way: And when Luke was becoming like Vader, he was giving in to his hate.. for hand rails... DarthDementous, John and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 In every Star Wars movie, there is a scene where a body (dead or alive) falls from a great height, usually due to a lack of safety rails, though that is not always the case. It's a tradition that is carried out in every film in the series. TPM: Darth Maul's supposed death by a fall down a reactor shaft on Naboo (no rails) AOTC: Anakin's reckless dive through the streets of Coruscant, Obi-wan's near fall into Coruscant while clinging onto an assassin droid ROTS: Windu's death (no rails), Anakin and Obi-wan both fall repeatedly during their duel on Mustafar R1: Jyn pulls a stormtrooper off a landing pad on the Imperial facility on Eadu and falls into a canyon; Jyn almost falls off the pad herself (no rails), Cassian and a deathtrooper both fall within the data vault on Scarif (no rails) ANH: Multiple stormtroopers fall into an abyss within the Death Star (no rails) ESB: Luke, after his duel with Vader, falls down an air shaft within Cloud City, and almost falls through the bottom of the city (no rails) ROTJ: An officer falls over a railing within the Imperial bunker on Endor, Palpatine is thrown over a railing into a core shaft within his tower on the Death Star TFA: Han Solo's body falls off a narrow catwalk and disappears into an abyss on Starkiller Base (no rails) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,666 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I think the problem with Han's death scene was more meta-movie based. We all knew the moment Ford was announced to be in VII he was going to die. To make things more irritating, he, JJ, Kennedy, etc. acted as if it was a big mystery. By the time you got to that point in the movie three years later, you were somewhat glad to see him die. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Quote "tradition" all you like, it's still bizarre for an advanced space civilisation to keep overlooking and ignoring basic safety precautions like hand rails. They obviously lack common sense! I'd love for a character to point this out in a future movie, but of course SW characters take themselves way too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 The lack of rails in Star Wars films add to the tension in scenes where it would be logical to have them. You'd never know when someone might take a tumble into an infinite abyss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2017 That must have been what Galen Erso thought when he designed the Death Star; make it so horribly unsafe that stormtroopers and officers will risk a fall. There was more self sabotage than just the trench hole that makes it blow up. Pieter Boelen, Will, Bilbo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 The infinite abyss in the Endor bunker never made sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 My headcanon is that there was probably some network of maintenance tunnels and hallways connecting the bunker to the main shield generator and to various other Imperial emplacements across the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 what about the dangeourus 'off' button of the tractor beam? Obi wan really risks his life there... Unlucky Bastard and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: what about the dangeourus 'off' button of the tractor beam? Obi wan really risks his life there... Still my favorite sound effect in the saga. Bilbo and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Gotta be a pretty big device to power a shield around a whole moon. That doesn't bother me. Although, tbh, if you make it past the sound of a spaceship and lasers in the vacuum of space in the first minute of Star Wars, you've already signed a contract that you won't necessarily be able to make sense of the movie's science below the surface. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Also, Obi-Wan lowers the shield and no one in any Death Star control room get a notification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2017 This is why the CinemaSins approach is useless and a waste of time. You can pick apart any story ever told in this way. Will, DarthDementous, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Darth Vader says that he lets the Falcon get away so that it can lead the Empire to the rebel base, despite Tarkin's hesitance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Or when Phasma lowers the shields protecting the Starkiller in TFA. So no one on the entire planet got a notification that the base's only method of defense from attack was suspiciously deactivated? I also don't understand how it took three seconds for the entire planetwide shield to be lowered. Wouldn't it take a few hours, at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Why? It's an energy shield. So probably has the same speed as electricity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Why? It's an energy shield. So probably has the same speed as electricity. Yes, but wouldn't it take some time for the electricity powering the energy shield to power down across the entire planet? As evident in the scene in which Phasma disables the shield, the screen behind her indicates that it took only a matter of seconds for it to deactivate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Guys, obi wan disables the tractor beam assigned to the hangar bay of the falcon. One in a million...it's feasible that nobody noticed. BTW...the death stars do not have a surrounding enery shield. If not the starfghters could not attack it (and that's it why there is a shield generator in endor to protect the unfinished DSII). As stupid as it is... Maybe there are portions of it with shields, for example the throne room spire.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: BTW...the death stars do not have a surrounding enery shield. If not the starfghters could not attack it (and that's it why there is a shield generator in endor to protect the unfinished DSII). As stupid as it is... The first Death Star had smaller energy shields scattered across the station's surface that could be detracted at will. The second Death Star also had multiple energy shields like its predecessor, but as it was being constructed and subsequently vulnerable to attack, it also needed a larger shield generator housed on the nearby forest moon to completely eclipse and protect the station during its construction. Starkiller Base used a fractional refresh rate shield, which kept anything moving slowing than lightspeed from penetrating the planet's atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 11 hours ago, JohnSolo said: Yes, but wouldn't it take some time for the electricity powering the energy shield to power down across the entire planet? As evident in the scene in which Phasma disables the shield, the screen behind her indicates that it took only a matter of seconds for it to deactivate. Why would it take hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Clearly, you've never seen an energy shield being shut down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 It all depends on how stable the field is when you turn off the power. Imagine a city at night when you turn off the electric grid. The lights do not go out all at once, but there isn't enough residual energy in the wires to keep the lights on for hours. A second or two and the city's dark. In a vacuum, an electromagnetic wave moves as fast as light. 299,792,458 m/s. In air, just a tad slower. It's not going to take hours for a gap of no new energy to grow and collapse the field on the other side of the planet. Unless your story's bad science says that it does. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Perhaps JohnSolo is referring to the fact that the phase discriminators on the shield generators would have to be powered down one at a time, because an immediate shutdown of the energy grid could cause a plasma feedback loop enabled by latent tachyons that have attached itself to the energy shield. But we don't know enough about First Order technology to guess if they had the ability to generate an inverse polaron pulse during the shutdown, which would have nullified the tachyon effect. You don't need tachyons on your shield during switch off, thats for sure! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Boring conversation anyway. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 https://frinkiac.com/meme/S08E14/699698.jpg?b64lines=IElTIFRIRVJFIEEgV0FZIFRPIEdFVCBPVVQKIE9GIFRIRSBEVU5HRU9OIFdJVEhPVVQKIFVTSU5HIFRIRSBXSVpBUkQgS0VZPw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 http://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-porgs-luke-skywalker/ Please, tell me this isn't real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 This isn't real. Now, choose which pill you want. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 That would be awesome! Luke Skywalker has bunnies of Doom! Like Radagast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 3 hours ago, JohnSolo said: http://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-porgs-luke-skywalker/ Please, tell me this isn't real. Looks like something out of Star Wars Rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Looking forward to Parade of the Porgs Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 They look amazing! We should expect a cute Porg motif from Williams, at the very least. Rey and Kylo's TLJ costumes revealed: Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Not too much different from their appearance in TFA, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Kylo gets a cape and Rey's clothes are just marginally darker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Ren's cape reminds me of Batman's cape - leathery textures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Rey looks pretty dope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I was kinda hoping that Kylo would have a more fucked up face in this movie, but it's not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 RJ moved his scar didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Too strong a parallel with Luke's ruined face in TESB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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