Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Anyway, what would the real Han Solo say? Well, maybe he would think it, almost pronounce the line, but then he would see Chewie's joy and therefore he would reduce the moment by saying something cynical like: "It's just a ship, Chewie, don't get everything wet." (but the audience knows that deep down Han is exited too)That's what made Han Solo interesting, folks, and not this self-aware mushy around business.AlexandreI actually agree.But TFA Han is perfectly in tune with ROTJ Han. SW and ESB Han? Nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,085 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Carbonite'll change a man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 SW Han is much different from ESB Han too.In SW he''s a real jerk and you don;t care about him until the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 ROTJ Han is comic relief? Why do we love this movie again? You all think I'm a fucking nutbag for loving the Ewok movie, but at least it didn't ruin Han Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I wouldn't make assumptions about what Han is going to be like in this off of one line and 4 seconds of screen time. I'd at least wait until we have two lines. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 SW Han is much different from ESB Han too.In SW he''s a real jerk and you don;t care about him until the endIn TESB, Han Solo says, "I know". In ROTJ, he would have said, "I love you too". The point is that he no longer is interesting as a character for me. Han was there to provide Star Wars with a counterweight and not to be uniformly good like Luke Skywalker. People are not that B&W but Lucas got cold feet and decided to no longer make it 'gray zone' for the kids. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Yet he made Vader a "grey" character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Vader was a B&W baddie and at the very end Lucas made him good too. One big happy family in midichlorian heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Already in ROTJ they made him less B&W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I'm don't really see it. In ROTJ, Vader is constantly playing his son to come to the Dark Side or face death. Telling Luke to kneel down before the Emperor and give up everything is not 'gray zone'.Anyway, I was more talking about 'the goodies' of Star Wars. Han had to become more clear-cut good. Lucas changed his mind about the character and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The Vader in SW and TESB is a true believer of the Dark Side, the one in ROTJ acts like he has no choice, he is being forced by Palpatine.I noticed the difference the first time i saw ROTJ. Already in that film he is becoming the tragic figure of the prequels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Well, he ultimately had to become good at the end of the trilogy. The one percent good in Vader, which I did not know he had, apparently never died and took the upper hand. Vader wanted to tempt Luke to join the Dark Side but ultimately it was Luke who brought Vader back to his senses.So yes, the good had to be more clear-cut good and the bad, well, the bad never existed. Let's celebrate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,725 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Yet he made Vader a "grey" character.Fifty Shades of Vader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Oh God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,406 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Alright, here's the list of things that don't bode well for Star Wars: The Force Awakens:1) Trees, trees and more treesAlexandre mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 He's saying the environments don't look alien enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 And he's clearly an alien environment expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 He has the credentials to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 For me , Endor is the locale that looks the least alien in all the films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 You'll never find desert or snow on other planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'll never visit other planets, so it's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 For me , Endor is the locale that looks the least alien in all the filmsIt's the L.L.Bean outfits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,725 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Alright, here's the list of things that don't bode well for Star Wars: The Force Awakens:1) Trees, trees and more treesAlexandreBut JW has written some of his most beautiful music for trees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 For me , Endor is the locale that looks the least alien in all the filmsNot only that, it's also one of the main, most important settings of the movie. In Star Wars, the impenetrable jungle with its ancient buildings is just one short shot taken from a far and it looks vastly less cheap and ordinary than the trees of ROTJ or Stargate SG-1. I never had the feeling that Star Wars was filmed in a park around the corner. Needless to say that the spooky swamp of Yoda with its strange shapes and creatures is very alien looking. Alexandre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I always felt that ROTJ was seriously in need of the three locations/acts structure of the previous movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Tatooine, Endor Moon, Death Star!And even a bit of Degobah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 This time the scenes of Tatooine were destroyed by an overdose of silly creatures. General atmosphere Star Wars Tatooine:General atmosphere Return Of The Jedi Tatooine:See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I used to have him as a toy!Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Me too. Left if behind in the static caravan after being on holiday in Devon and was gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Nah, both Star Wars and ROTJ showed Tatooine as the home of the aliens in that universe. We had the cantina and Jabba's palace. Of course, the key difference is that the cantina spent about ten minutes with aliens as background characters, while ROTJ spent what seemed like an hour in their company with them as major players in the story -- using Muppets as some aliens instead of just people in suits like SW -- before taking them all out on a road trip to that giant mouth hole to their fiery death. Star Wars had been spared more Muppet involvement by its limited budget and technology, fortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,051 Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 Me too. Left if behind in the static caravan after being on holiday in Devon and was gutted.That explains a lot of your wretchedness, actually. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Thats where it started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 The Ewok movies made the Endor moon look more alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Thats where it started!No, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was the root of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 It looks better than in ROTJ to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Why are they no longer considered canon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I would think that Lucas' involvement and the fact that they are live action LFL productions with ILM effects basically makes them canonical Star Wars films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 The Holiday Special should be canon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Just think, the Ewok movies aren't canon, but Yaddle AKA the female Yoda with Farrah Fawcett hair in The Phantom Menace is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,406 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 A shame we never got that "Yaddle's theme" track from ROTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 That never happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 That's why it's such a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Yoda Jenner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,478 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 C3P0 has a red arm in the new film?Interesting can via Mexico.... pic.twitter.com/L2YW5mKibJ— Marc Zachacki (@SWzahack) June 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,504 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oh no, not another action scene involving our poor 3PO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,364 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 C3P0 has a red arm in the new film? I can already see the spare arm sitting in the toy package. Bespin and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,478 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,806 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 yes it seems that he has a red arm, other leaked mechandishing photo had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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