BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 From his latest interview: "I mean, I think much of music which is done in contemporary films is fabulous" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 He said he hadn't heard Man of Steel a few years ago but he was "looking forward to hearing it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 This thread is almost certainly not a terrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I feel like JW has complimented every young and old composer. I've never heard him critical of anyone's music. And there are usually stories of him calling composers who win oscars and congratulating them. I know he called Thomas Newman after his first win and wrote a letter to Hans Zimmer before the release of Man of Steel. But what that says about his taste in music, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 He loves modern film music so much, he made TFA almost sound like Zimmer classics like The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and On Stranger Tides. leeallen01 and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The real answer to this is, of course, that being such a keen musical mind, he recognizes and enjoys anything where real thought, passion, and craft are at work. So naturally, if he's heard any of Zimmer's best, I'm sure he's a fan and appreciates what he does for the art. The better question is how much new film music he is regularly exposed to. Musical isolation is more prized among Hollywood composers than you might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 He is obviously being diplomatic, as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaralyyth 111 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Everyone will have a different opinion, but I apprecaite Williams' experience and methods of musical intonation and creation way more than Zimmer's. Williams is a pioneer whereas Zimmer is... well, I don't really know what to call Zimmer anymore after the upset of Dubstep in TASM2. I really liked Interstellar, though. But Williams will always be my favourite <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 He's very good at basing an entire score around a singular musical idea or texture, I'll give him that. The Joker motif in TDK, the siren in Inception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 29 minutes ago, Zaralyth said: well, I don't really know what to call Zimmer anymore after the upset of Dubstep in TASM2. Still a pioneer, since that was pretty pioneering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaralyyth 111 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just now, TheGreyPilgrim said: Still a pioneer, since that was pretty pioneering? I don't know, I couldn't find the right words to use, I'd call it something else, since dubstep isn't really an original concept, Zimmer didn't pioneer dubstep, I guess, is how I am seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Zimmer was never a pioneer, musically. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Zaralyth said: I don't know, I couldn't find the right words to use, I'd call it something else, since dubstep isn't really an original concept, Zimmer didn't pioneer dubstep, I guess, is how I am seeing it. In film music, he did. 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Zimmer was never a pioneer, musically. In film music, he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 That's quite meaningless. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Be that as it may, i cannot see Williams watching recent movies, let alone listening to film scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 He doesn't watch films a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Probably just plays chamber music by himself or with select friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2016 He still thinks Thomas Newman is a young and upcoming composer. Fabulin, Once, Edmilson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 And that Alfred comes round for an afternoon brandy. Once and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I wonder what Williams would think of Ramin Djawadi and Tyler Bates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Probably that they're just swell guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 They're angel babies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Honestly, if everyone approaching me would treat me like a supreme being of cosmic importance i'd love them all too. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 What an unfair voting system. That being said, with the exception of a few films (and plenty more exceptions at the scene level), the two composers are almost diametric in terms of orchestration and instrumentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 So? That doesn't mean they can't like each other's music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I never said that Williams couldn't like Zimmer's music, or vice versa. Of course they can like each other's music. They're free agents. Now if only we can find a quote of Zimmer liking Williams' music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Hence my "so?" I could only assume that's what you were getting at, otherwise it's a bit of a non-sequitur. 1 hour ago, crumbs said: He's very good at basing an entire score around a singular musical idea or texture, I'll give him that. The Joker motif in TDK, the siren in Inception. Neither of those scores is based around those single ideas. You should consult some thematic guides to his scores, of which this forum may have a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 There are no themes in those scores. Just chords and chords! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, publicist said: Be that as it may, i cannot see Williams watching recent movies, let alone listening to film scores. Me too. On the other hand I find it striking that Williams started using minimalism in A.I. the year after The Matrix, used wailing woman a few years after all the others and is now composing some action music in a style that remotely reminds me of Zimmer, e.g. The Duel in Tintin reminds me of Pirates of the Carabean. But probably it is all in my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,913 Posted January 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2016 JW has said in interviews that he likes Brahms...those trailer hits. MikeH, DominicCobb, Smeltington and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 55 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Neither of those scores is based around those single ideas. You should consult some thematic guides to his scores, of which this forum may have a few. Nah, having listened to these scores I'm perfectly happy with my own interpretation of Zimmer's writing. 38 minutes ago, Stefancos said: There are no themes in those scores. Just chords and chords! Nothing wrong with athematic writing; Zimmer does present some interesting ideas in most of his scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 At an Oscars luncheon a while back (I think it was when he was nominated for War Horse and Tintin), he praised Danna's work on Life of Pi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Williams is always kind and diplomatic about other composers' work. The only time I remembered he declared having a preference of one over the other was an interview, a couple of years ago, when he said he liked to return to a more essential musical idiom, and that he enjoyed studying a Mozart work over, for example, an Elliott Carter opera. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Why wouldn't he like him; Zimmer is a fine composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 35 minutes ago, Romão said: At an Oscars luncheon a while back (I think it was when he was nominated for War Horse and Tintin), he praised Danna's work on Life of Pi Life of Pi is an exceptional score and I'm looking forward to hearing what he did on The Good Dinosaur. It'd be great to know what Williams does when he isn't writing concert pieces or film scores. Does he regularly listen to the work of other modern day film composers? Does he rely more on classical pieces from the likes of Mozart or Beethoven? 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: He's a fine pop musician and producer. He isn't much of a composer. Apparently he's got dubstep down pat, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 He's a fine pop musician and producer. He isn't much of a composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: He's a fine pop musician and producer. He isn't much of a composer. You're a fine pop poster, but not much of a post composer. You will never touch Incanus, Marcus, and TheGreyPilgrim. Sharkissimo and Quintus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Who are you again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lhokne Mulb said: You're a fine pop poster, but not much of a post composer. You will never touch Incanus, Marcus, and TheGreyPilgrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 I'd probably rank my posting talent equivalent to John Debney or Joel Mcneely. I can mimic the more complex post structure of the greats, but with far less heart, skill, and soul. I think your short three word sentences do grow tiresome. So amateurish. But you don't have a classical training in English. But what can you expect from a pop poster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Attempts at humour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Steef's latest major work is basically pop saccharine, pulling on every obvious cheap musical trick in the book. His use of minor triad emotional chords "I've got MS/I may be dying" is just so simple and expected. Doesn't show a lot of structural thought, just emotional punch after punch. Satisfying to read in the moment, but leaves one hollow in the long term. It's really geared towards today's impulsive, instant gratification youth. Though I do give him credit for at least attempting to lead up indirectly to the emotion by making his thread start with "I need music for an MRI" instead of a more pedestrian and usual blunt "I'm dying, cry for me." 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Attempts at humour? Interesting, can anyone do a syllabic breakdown of this? My ear is telling me it's a 5-syllabic motif, with the "at" syllable forming a fulcrum around which the sentence balances, but again, it's just such an overused sentence progression. Theres no subject to go with the predicate. And the use of a question mark within that concept just doesn't sound right to my ears. He just keeps writing this amateurish garbage. And people eat it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, Stefancos said: He's a fine pop musician and producer. He isn't much of a composer. Why the distinction? I thought you were ardently against artificial constructs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 No one would ever compare Williams and Zimmer if they didn't both compose for film. Like no one compares Beethoven and Spandau Ballet. Sound Of My Soul is a great song nonetheless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Speaking for himself, I never compare the two men. I hadn't realised it actually, till you made me think about it just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I am glad to impart my wisdom on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Show us the wisdom part again, I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Ssssttt....what's shown on Whatsapp stays on Whatsapp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Aaaarrrrghhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just sent you another pic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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