bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 That makes sense. I should probably not have used those ewords... All I mean is this: When we watch these films, we know the story is fictional and that's okay. But, Tolkien, being pedantic and over-stately, pretends this is a real story. You can love it or hate it, but it is NOT real history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'm not sure what bothers you about that, and why that makes Tolkien pedantic, but OK... 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: Yes, I do, because it's simply jarring and childish. Wow. OK... Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The whole appeal about Tolkien is that he treats Middle-Earth as actual history. And that's frankly what separates it from the rest. Bolle's ultimate fantasy movie must be Phantom Menace. Soundtrack too. Ultimate Edition of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 Uh, why Phantom Menace? God no, no Jar-Jar, please, just Duel of the Fates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Hey, leave Phantom Menace out of this! Anyway, Tolkien in the prologue to Lord of the Rings basically says he's translating from the Red Book and several other copies. The book reads like it's been translated from an older language. Pick up a translation of the Iliad from the 50s and the language is the same. By including the reference to other translations he's giving the text a fiction textual transmission from the Red Book all the way down to his copy. This explains the difference between the first and second versions of The Hobbit. It's really quite clever and ties in with the in universe story. Lord of the Rings reads, and is meant to read, like one of those translations. Be it Beowulf or Homer or whatever, it's supposed to be like that. You can not like that but calling Tolkien pedantic is just you taking your frustration out on a genius work. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'm not frustrated, I'm mildly annoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 If you had been only mildly annoyed, you wouldn't have stopped reading the books! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 ANYway! Anybody got a cryptic tweet from Doug for us to tear apart or some shit like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted August 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2016 Lol If bolleman's "critique" of Tolkien is a reflection of the future generations' state of literacy, I weep for the world. Barnald, Incanus, Bilbo and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I have not passed through fire and death to bandy crooked words... Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doug Adams 494 Posted August 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2016 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: ANYway! Anybody got a cryptic tweet from Doug for us to tear apart or some shit like that? The falcon flies at midnight ... Bilbo, Bofur01, Dixon Hill and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The falcon has arisen! I repeat the falcon has arisen! Code red! Code red! Man the battlestations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 4 hours ago, KK said: Lol If bolleman's "critique" of Tolkien is a reflection of the future generations' state of literacy, I weep for the world. It is rather disheartening as a premonition, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 9 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Yes, I do, because it's simply jarring and childish. But Frodo is meant to be a man-child, as are all hobbits to varying degrees. He's a 30-year-old-virgin sheltered from the Big Wide World, living in both a metaphorical and non-metaphorical bubble (Bag End). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The horse is dead! Long live the falcon! https://untappd.com/b/grizzly-peak-brewing-company-the-falcon-flies-at-midnight/457751 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Jay 37,378 Posted August 26, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2016 Who are the 19 asshats who voted no in the poll? bollemanneke, SafeUnderHill, leeallen01 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 But there's something I really don't understand about all this. Every LOTR fan I talked to so far reacted in exactly the same way to that upcoming box: They're crazy. Does this mean that it's cheaper for WB to release a box set with a pricetag no one is going to fall for, than releasing new music with a cheaper price? Or am I overestimating the people who'd be prepared to buy Hobbit CRS? Oh well, at the end of the day, this article really doesn't provide any shocking information, just speculation. I still believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 19 minutes ago, Jay said: Who are the 19 asshats who voted no in the poll? People who have no interest in film music, I'd gather! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Evidently Conrad Pope has managed to clone himself, 19 times no less! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted August 26, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2016 The article is all speculation. Not to diminish the level of work that goes into soundtrack releases - because we all know it's significant - but assembly of a "complete recordings" into a largely preordained order from already recorded elements is a much cheaper process than remastering three movies in 4K, creating six feature length documentaries and potentially editing and postproducing new editions of six movies. Plus, most promisingly, the bigwigs at Warner Music are different than the bigwigs at WB. Different decisionmakers. So I would think that the $800 movie box set will have no bearing on any potential music-related releases. Instead, I'd take Doug at his word (paraphrasing, of course) - he's staying quiet because in the past he's regretted giving too much info before everything is final, and something will be announced when there's something to announce. Bilbo, bollemanneke and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 I can't do more than buying the re-issues of the LOTR CRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 The OST's aren't bad at all, but this really needs to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Only DOS has a decent program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 11 hours ago, bollemanneke said: I can't do more than buying the re-issues of the LOTR CRs. Currently there are forces at work deliberating over releasing a set of music for the last three books of the animated series Legend of Korra - a Nickelodeon show. It's crazy that they're even thinking of releasing another set, so it doesn't seem improbable that we might see TH CR's from a company that's looking for profit! Luke Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 With the forthcoming Amazon series I'm confident (moreso than I was before actually) we'll see these commence in the next couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Barnald said: With the forthcoming Amazon series I'm confident (moreso than I was before actually) we'll see these commence in the next couple of years. Without looking, I can predict with absolutely certainty that more than one person here predicted this about the prequel scores when the sequel trilogy was announced. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUH 65 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I recently stumbled across this tweet: I noticed it was posted nearly 4 years ago and thought maybe we’d have had some progress by now! Given the success of the LOTR CR re-releases (judging by Amazon) and the fact we haven’t seen Hobbit Vinyl releases yet, I would have thought Hobbit CRs would be on the table. Heck, Shore is the film composer with the most ‘monthly listeners’ on Spotify at the moment and he hasn’t even released a new score in 2 years! There is sufficient demand! I'm optimistic though, I’m sure they will be in development when The Music of the Hobbit films book gets greenlight for release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 PJ needs to release his 20 hour cut of the films and then release a giant wooden box-set called 'The Middle-earth Saga' with all the CR scores and Doug's book. Holko and Barnald 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Arpy said: and Doug's books. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I just wonder whether Shore feels they are necessary. He took the chance to create a 2-CD release right from the start, which is very different from the single CD LotR OSTs. Actually, the only bit of music I can remember that I'd like is the film version of the Eagle rescue. Although this is based on not having seen any of the films since the cinema and really not being particularly impressed by/connected to any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 So can we be sure that Shore fully supported the special-standard edition nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 The way they did the OST/Special edition releases seems really confusing and aimless. Here, have a 2-disc set with not filled CDs with a lot of film versions, regular consumer. Here, there's another, still 2-disc version, just with a bit more music from the films and some tracks completely randomly switched to more or less interesting (sometimes terrible) alternates, CDs are still not filled and a ton of music (including film versions) stays unreleased but you have to pay much more for it. I will never understand, for example, why The Forest River was extended by 16 seconds instead of the full remaining 2 minutes. With LotR, it's very simple: 1CD OSTs filled with whatever they had at the time to make a listening experience for the regular consumer, then 3-4(+1) disc sets with the complete intended film versions (except Fellowship which is the complete actual film version), coming out later and done largely properly for the collectors who actually do care about it. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: I just wonder whether Shore feels they are necessary. He took the chance to create a 2-CD release right from the start, which is very different from the single CD LotR OSTs. Actually, the only bit of music I can remember that I'd like is the film version of the Eagle rescue. Although this is based on not having seen any of the films since the cinema and really not being particularly impressed by/connected to any of them. I'm sure there were people who were just fine with the original OSTs for LOTR. Yet, wouldn't you rather that comprehensive release like the CRs was released for anyone to make the choice about the listening experience they wanted to craft. Simply because you didn't hear anything that you liked missing from the Special Edition Hobbit releases, doesn't mean there aren't many more people who'd rather have that music released and available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 8/23/2016 at 8:05 AM, bollemanneke said: Do you think it's likely that we will ever have Complete Hobbit Recordings with the same audio quality and annotated scores? Also, what would AUJ look like? Film versions or dropped OST material? The current releases are pretty complete, at least for my liking. I'm not sure what more we need to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 The current releases are nowhere near complete, especially An Unexpected Journey. There's about an hour of recorded music that isn't released yet just from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Pardon my misinformed comment. It's a heck of a lot of material for an OST. My point simply is @Jay, that all the music I need from the Hobbit trilogy I already own. So we may get a complete recordings, but I won't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2018 Why dismiss a hypothetical release only on your own baseless assumptions? Holko, SUH, The Illustrious Jerry and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jay said: The current releases are nowhere near complete, especially An Unexpected Journey. There's a bout an hour of recorded music that isn't released yet just from that. Is that taking into account film versions/revisions? I had no idea there was that much unreleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Just now, Disco Stu said: Why dismiss a hypothetical release only on your own baseless assumptions? I'm not dismissing a potential complete recordings release as a possibility per se, more like determining that I would not be interested in such a collection seeing as I already own the OST's for each of the films, which are all I need as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Arpy said: I'm sure there were people who were just fine with the original OSTs for LOTR. Yet, wouldn't you rather that comprehensive release like the CRs was released for anyone to make the choice about the listening experience they wanted to craft. Simply because you didn't hear anything that you liked missing from the Special Edition Hobbit releases, doesn't mean there aren't many more people who'd rather have that music released and available. Please don't mistake my comments for not wanting a CR release. I'd love it to happen. I was just stating that Shore's personal desire might not be as strong as it was for LotR, with a more comprehensive release the first time round, and with so much of the unreleased material being revisions. There seems to be a respect for Shore's desires more than for most composers (hence probably why there's never been any sort of sessions leak), therefore I can see him being the driver behind further releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Is that taking into account film versions/revisions? I had no idea there was that much unreleased. Of course. What else would it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 No idea. That's why I asked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Is that taking into account film versions/revisions? I had no idea there was that much unreleased. Blimey, no one has watched these films. How amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I've seen each film precisely once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jim Ware 526 Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2018 Without delving into the specifics, there is around two hours of unreleased music across the trilogy before we even contemplate 'rarities'. Disco Stu, Barnald, Bilbo and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 19 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I've seen each film precisely once. I've seen each film precisely zero times. Are they worth seeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 If you like watching movies only to find out that at least 30 minutes are totally superfluous and if you want to view material purely intended to make money, yes. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 There is genuine fun, thrill and fascination to be had with the Hobbits, but the overbloat, lack of focus and at times terribly processed visuals drag them down for degrees that vary between the movies and the people watching them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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