BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, crocodile said: Yeah, as a last minute rescore. Karol Last minute or not it's canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Indianagirl said: Last minute or not it's canon. Oh I'm not disputing that. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I'm very fluent in bullshit. Got a diploma even. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Incanus said: My problem with it is that it sounds like you said a cheap knock-off. Nothing classy about it. I guess I am allergic Giacchino's recent theme constructions. And yet you award it 3,5 and at times 4 stars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: And yet you award it 3,5 and at times 4 stars! He likes cheap wine, cheap women, cheap cars, and cheap Johnny Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Seen the film 4 times and listened to the score on repeat. I like "Your Father Would Have Been Proud" and the Anakin's Dark Deeds style parody in "Hope". Overall the music is serviceable but unspectacular. 3/5 Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 hours ago, crocodile said: Well, it is a better theme than his Nazi theme from MOH scores. And, to be quite frank, it is bit more memorable than Kylo Ren themes (if somewhat not as refined musically). Karol Kylo Ren's "hesitant" theme is terrific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Romão said: Kylo Ren's "hesitant" theme is terrific It's the more interesting one of the two. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 minute ago, crocodile said: It's the more interesting one of the two. Karol I agree. And it's the one that will probably get the biggest workout in the sequels, as it is the "true" theme of what the character is about, if that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 hours ago, crocodile said: Well, it is a better theme than his Nazi theme from MOH scores. And, to be quite frank, it is bit more memorable than Kylo Ren themes (if somewhat not as refined musically). Karol I agree it's more memorable than the Kylo Ren themes, which were never much anyway. But it sounds far more distracting, and more awkward in construction. As with most Gia villain themes, it's just an awkward recombination of Williams' familiar intervals anyway. 4 hours ago, crocodile said: I like how Giacchino's hope theme sounds like a cheap knock-off of Luke's theme at first but then you realise at the end that this is exactly the point as you hear the film's last line and where it ends. It was always meant to anticipate Williams' iconic melody but can't be fully stated until the end credits. Nice. Karol - who also likes how Giacchino ends the final Vader's theme statement with Death Star motif The theme itself is actually not that bad. In fact, I'd like it if the second half was less awkward in construction. When it the 5th just steps to the 6th, it feels prematurely neutered, especially after the leaping intervals before it. It's also particularly distracting in context, often taking you out of the film. Could have been a rather sweeping melody otherwise. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Just now, KK said: The theme itself is actually not that bad. In fact, I'd like it if the second half was less awkward in construction. When it the 5th just steps to the 6th, it feels prematurely neutered, especially after the leaping intervals before it. It's also particularly distracting in context, often taking you out of the film. Could have been a rather sweeping melody otherwise. Wouldn't you agree that that awkwardness might be exactly the point? If it were a fully formed sweeping melody then the whole point of "anticipating Luke's theme" (the true hope, as it were) would have been lost. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, crocodile said: Wouldn't you agree that that awkwardness might be exactly the point? If it were a fully formed sweeping melody then the whole point of "anticipating Luke's theme" (the true hope, as it were) would have been lost. Karol I would, if I didn't feel that way about most modern Gia themes Also, if it serves the context poorly, then what's the point? I like the idea of teasing Luke's theme with that opening perfect fifth, but doesn't work as well past that. It's the kind of melody that draws comparisons to Williams' unmatched craft at this skill, as much as those should be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 You guys are no fun. Karol KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,645 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Thomas Newman should have scored this. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 There just wasn't a pressing need for the Imperial March in the prequels. I recall about 5 or 6 statements of the theme in ROTS: Anakin rejected by the Jedi Council, Palpatine's christening of Darth Vader, Anakin closing the blast doors in the Mustafar bunker, an oblique reference to the Imperial March in Anakin's Dark Deeds (the three downbeats on the tonic to the fourth and final downbeat on submediant, with a similar lurching rhythm to the Imperial March's triplet ostinato), this moment, Vader's helmet screwing shut and that scene Karol mentioned on the Star Destroyer bridge. When you consider the about of time Vader and the Empire are shown on screen, Williams and Lucas went further than expected. I've heard the score for Rogue One and wasn't crazy about it. I'll probably see the film at Christmas when you go down to the cost to say with my fam, but I'm not setting my hopes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, crocodile said: You guys are no fun. Karol Gia apologist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 The voice of FilmsOnWax too! Sigh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I love the title "Jyncarcerated." I'm glad the official titles are serious, but I'm also glad that we got pun ones as a bonus. DarthDementous and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Will said: I love the title "Jyncarcerated." Arent you a little bit too old for puns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, leeallen01 said: If The Imperial March didn't exist, and just Vader's motif was used for the Empire up until now, and then Giacchino composed the Imperial March for this film, some on here would call it cheesy, because it is. It works perfectly in 1980, but now it really wouldn't work if invented in todays more serious filmmaking tone. I can imagine it now - "Seriously though, that stupidly over the top nazi 'I'M EVILLLL' imperial march that Giacchino wrote for the empire, was just laughable. Completely took me out of the film." I kinda see what you're saying, but the Imperial Theme he did write is even more cheesy and over the top Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Would Gia's Imperial Theme be better received if it was actually titled Krennic's Theme? igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Probably, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Arent you a little bit too old for puns? One is never too old! 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: The only "punny" track title I like better than the "official one" is Scarif Tactics. That one's good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuBen_Kenobi 19 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 22 hours ago, BloodBoal said: The last minute of Confrontation On Eadu is the one for me. 22 hours ago, dfenton85 said: That's is definitely one of the album's highlights. Yes. And thanks to that, also my favorite moment of the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I actually like the imperial theme in the opening track. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, dfenton85 said: Would Gia's Imperial Theme be better received if it was actually titled Krennic's Theme? I thought that they are actually two different themes. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 17 minutes ago, Jay said: I kinda see what you're saying, but the Imperial Theme he did write is even more cheesy and over the top I'd say it was equally cheesy and over the top , but we're just so used to the Imperial March that we view it as less cheesy and OTT than it is. I like to think of Giacchino's Imperial theme as just a precursor to the Death Star motif, like a build up for example, as if Williams' Death Star motif is the big finale to a full Death Star theme, that's half Giacchino, half Williams. Because most of, if not all its appearances are ended with the Death Star motif, especially in the piece 'When Has Become Now.' They seem like one theme together. That way I can like it better when thought of in context with the film. On album listen I like it, but in the film it did have an extra cheesy feeling. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 9 minutes ago, crocodile said: I thought that they are actually two different themes. Karol me too. They are clearly distinguishable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 They are. Krennic's theme is the more annoying one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 So in that Imperial Suite track, is the imperial theme at 0:05 and Krennic's theme at 1:06? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 The fact that Krennic's music is cheesy and over-the-top makes sense. It's basically music for his inflated ego and thus fits the story and character well. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Bilbo and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Just now, BloodBoal said: I think you're overthinking this and giving too much credit to Giacchino. As someone once said. And I'm going to paraphrase. You might question Giacchino's abilities as a composers but you can't fault his skill as a storyteller. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Croc is waxing Doug Adams-style prose for Giacchino where the merit doesn't necessarily exist. 8 minutes ago, crocodile said: The fact that Krennic's music is cheesy and over-the-top makes sense. It's basically music for his inflated ego and thus fits the story and character well. Karol Again, I'd buy that if most Gia villain themes didn't share that same quality Bilbo and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 The examples of which are...? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 On the phone right now, but will post examples once I have wifi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Now don't you start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 It's funny. Giacchino quotes-reworks the grail theme in tomorrowland and its a cute nod to Williams. Here he reworks the imperial march to create a different imperial theme, and the same people say it is completely wrong. I dont understand. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Wut? When? Where? or the Henry Jones theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 1 hour ago, dfenton85 said: So in that Imperial Suite track, is the imperial theme at 0:05 and Krennic's theme at 1:06? I think so? I will say I like that second theme much much better. The first just sounds like a bad parody of the Imperial March, no way around it. Krennic's sounds like a character theme developed out of the Imperial March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I tried to read the Filmtracks thread and I had to evacuate my eyes from the page shortly after because the formatting was making my brain begin a phased shutdown. 2003 called, they want their forum back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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