Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 While we're discussing his mid-90s work... Anyone got any thoughts, on this score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 It's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I can't ever remember this to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Best 'Love Story' impersonation on 100 strings and one cello ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Great main theme. Pretty sure I've never listened to the full OST though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Great score with beautiful solos by Yo-Yo Ma. Because of those solo parts by such a great classical music artist, this score holds a very special place in my collection, along with two other scores in the same situation: Schindler's List (with solos by Itzhak Perlman) and Memoirs of a geisha (with solos by Yo-Yo Ma and Itzhak Perlman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 46 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Great main theme. Pretty sure I've never listened to the full OST though. You should. APPROACHING THE SUMMIT is really good. The track 7YIT is all over Classic FM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,358 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I love it, though one theme always reminds me of the Ark/Medallion theme from Raiders Love hearing Gamelan in a Williams score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Beautiful, calm and nevertheless epic. But the movie is just Brad Pitt promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 The main theme is awesome, but the subtler more oriental tinged moments of reflection are fairly boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I'm now up to MUNICH in my walkthrough, and I didn't create a thread for this one when I played it a few days ago. But good to see that you did, Richard. It's a lovely score, but it took some time getting used to. I wasn't that thrilled when it came out. While the cello stuff is predictably gorgeous, I think my favourite parts are actually the ethnic tracks now, where JW goes all Tibetan. The film is typically spectacular in terms of visuals (as always with Annaud), but I remember the character development as somewhat lacking -- and the dynamic between Dalai Lama and Brad Pitt a bit undewhelming. But it's been a while since I saw it. Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I listened to this quite frequently when it first came out, but like many scores, I shuffled it off to the side for a while. Still dig it out from time to time. The main concert suite is one of my favorites, filled with several wonderful themes. The score also gave us that beautiful little melody that would fleshed out even more achingly in his Elegy. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I love the whole score from beginning to the end. Gorgeous solo work from Yo-Yo, a soaring main theme, the contemplative Dalai Lama/Tibet theme and the ethnic colouring all contribute to making this a strong 4 star effort with some quiet lyrical passages (like Quiet Moments) even reaching 5 stars for me. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,110 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 This is a gorgeous and rich score which I enjoy listening to while trekking over mountain ranges. Its quite effective as a zen kinda of a score that totally transports and isolates you with nature.And that finale cue is just gorgeous: one of the best. Its a pity most of the music was dialled out in the film and not used. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Though you wonder what the hell went wrong. Williams wasn't officially rejected but the treatment of the music in the movie counts almost as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 hour ago, publicist said: Though you wonder what the hell went wrong. Williams wasn't officially rejected but the treatment of the music in the movie counts almost as one. Yes I remember seeing the film for the first time and thinking "Is this the same score I heard on the album?". Undoubtedly it is there and you can clearly hear material which found its way on the CD but somehow the overall impression is that quite a bit was lost in the editing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 hours ago, publicist said: Though you wonder what the hell went wrong. Williams wasn't officially rejected but the treatment of the music in the movie counts almost as one. He didnt sound enough like Horner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 17 hours ago, Stefancos said: I can't ever remember this to be honest. Well, the main theme is absolutely fantastic. 6 hours ago, publicist said: Though you wonder what the hell went wrong. Williams wasn't officially rejected but the treatment of the music in the movie counts almost as one. I think what happened is that Williams recorded a ton of material to chose from Lincoln-style. The arty wasteful European way. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 9 hours ago, azahid said: This is a gorgeous and rich score which I enjoy listening to while trekking over mountain ranges. Its quite effective as a zen kinda of a score that totally transports and isolates you with nature.And that finale cue is just gorgeous: one of the best. Its a pity most of the music was dialled out in the film and not used. Agreed. I included it in my episode on "mountain film scores": http://celluloidtunes.no/celluloid-tunes-35-fjellfilm/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 hours ago, crocodile said: I think what happened is that Williams recorded a ton of material to chose from Lincoln-style. The arty wasteful European way. I've never seen the film but the OST featuring the same concert suite twice (when it already ran 7:10 to begin with) was blatant album padding. I think the film was probably just sparsely spotted and Williams had to compensate for the OST (just like Lincoln), rather than it being a case of Williams' score being butchered or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 493 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I've never seen the film but the OST featuring the same concert suite twice (when it already ran 7:10 to begin with) was blatant album padding. All of Williams' OSTs around that time were like that. Amistad, Seven Years in Tibet, Saving Private Ryan, Angela's Ashes, The Patriot.....they all opened and closed with identical (or nearly so) reprises of the concert tracks. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Matt S. said: All of Williams' OSTs around that time were like that. Amistad, Seven Years in Tibet, Saving Private Ryan, Angela's Ashes, The Patriot.....they all opened and closed with identical (or nearly so) reprises of the concert tracks. Which I really like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 30 minutes ago, Matt S. said: All of Williams' OSTs around that time were like that. Amistad, Seven Years in Tibet, Saving Private Ryan, Angela's Ashes, The Patriot.....they all opened and closed with identical (or nearly so) reprises of the concert tracks. Amistad's ending track leaves out the mournful vocal rendition of Cinque's theme at the beginning and The Patriot has the snare/piccolo rendition of the main theme at the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Yes, he said "nearly so". I love this "bookend idea" of soundtrack presentations. MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 One highlight from the score for those who are not familiar with it. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 21 hours ago, crocodile said: I think what happened is that Williams recorded a ton of material to chose from Lincoln-style. The arty wasteful European way. Still reeks of miscommunication since the pushing sturm & drang approach that runs through the album is...ahemm..considerably played down in the movie (to put it mildly). A lot of the sustained moments are reduced to mere seconds and one wonders why Annaud spent a considerable amount of $ for a premium Williams score to castrate it to this eunuchian state. If it were Malick, no surprise, but it's the same director who let James Horner do his melodramatic theatrics for at least three movies afterwards. The music's a bit too heavy and repetitive for its own good but whenever it goes into the then-seminal concerto mode ('Approaching the Summit'!) it's really quite a revelation: something like a modern 'Dr. Zhivago'. The theme is incredibly memorable, evocative and romantic and having it play big time behind a, say, passage-of-time montage would hve created quite a stir. Well, John, shrugs and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, publicist said: but it's the same director who let James Horner do his melodramatic theatrics for at least three movies afterwards. Enemy At The Gates, Wolf Totem and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 BLACK GOLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 hours ago, publicist said: Well, John, shrugs and move on. I'm sure he didn't lose sleep over it, back in the days he was scoring so many films every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: Enemy At The Gates, Wolf Totem and? Black Gold, i guess...? Good to see good old Tibet still eliciting some ruckus round here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I can hear the influence on later scores such as Attack of the Clones and Memoirs of a Geisha. Trope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 hours ago, publicist said: Black Gold, i guess...? Good to see good old Tibet still eliciting some ruckus round here. I'm pretty sure Black Gold was someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I'm pretty sure Black Gold was someone else. No, Horner scored BLACK GOLD. Haven't seen the film or heard the score myself yet, but it's on the list. Of course, he had also worked with Annaud before those three, with THE NAME OF THE ROSE (1986). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: I'm pretty sure Black Gold was someone else. You confuse it with your endless list of ebony porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Hardly endless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Not Mr. Big said: Amistad's ending track leaves out the mournful vocal rendition of Cinque's theme at the beginning and The Patriot has the snare/piccolo rendition of the main theme at the very end. So, which OSTs have really the same recording twice? - Amistad (it's still the same recording) - Seven Years - Saving Private Ryan - Angela's Ashes - The Patriot (same here) Additionally OSTs that got replaced by complete scores: - 1941 - Rosewood Anything else? - Minority Report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Its an interesting score that I want to spend more time with at some point. The score has a pretty distinct sound, both in its Asian influences and the strong interplay between strings and solo piano and of course Ma's solos. The main theme is really evocative but a lot of the music on the OST sounds stilted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Stilted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 14 hours ago, publicist said: Stilted? Yeah stilted like the music sounds a little too stiff. It gives me the impression that the structure of the music is getting in the way of what it's trying to say. It's hard to explain. But to take an example from another score, I've always felt that Anakin's Victory (or whatever the cue is named when Anakin wins the podrace in TPM) sounds very stilted for what should be an explosive, exuberant moment. The music sounds very formal and rigid where I feel it is trying to express something sudden and free. I hear that same stilted quality throughout this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Is the OST track "Heinrich's Odyssey" a bunch of cues from different parts of the film edited together, or is it all music for the same scene or connected series of scenes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jay said: Is the OST track "Heinrich's Odyssey" a bunch of cues from different parts of the film edited together, or is it all music for the same scene or connected series of scenes? This is a quick & dirty spreadsheet I did while watching the film a few months back. It's probably not 100% accurate and I haven't had time to revisit it since, but it might help. @BrotherSound's new strategy for finding cues in film order could certainly come in handy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Unfortunately that provides no insight into the makeup of that OST track, no. I've never seen this film, gotta rectify that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 49 minutes ago, Jay said: Is the OST track "Heinrich's Odyssey" a bunch of cues from different parts of the film edited together, or is it all music for the same scene or connected series of scenes? Afair, most of the big orchestral stuff doesn't even turn up in the movie, and both of the *big* cues, 'Heinrich's Odyssey' and 'Approaching the Summit' combine cues, but only appear in small fragments in the movie. I remember so well because i listened to the album first and when i saw the movie, i wondered if Williams had rewritten the whole thing (which he obviously had, as what turns up in the movie is much more muted, like the 'Quiet Moments' cue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 It's interesting that Horner would write these long cues for Jean-Jacques Annaud and he'd leave them as-is for those 3 films, then for this one he chops up JW's long cues. I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Because it sounded too big and operatic - which may have been Annaud's instruction, or Williams' general tendency, that didn't sit well with the investors. You can hear the toning down very well in the rewritten 'Leaving Ingrid', which sports the theme's most glorious appearance on the Sony album and is reduced to a fleeting small ensemble part in the movie. Who knows? The laughably overscored Enemy at the Gates t least proves that Annaud wasn't afraid of big scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 On 6/2/2021 at 7:53 AM, publicist said: Because it sounded too big and operatic - which may have been Annaud's instruction, or Williams' general tendency, that didn't sit well with the investors. You can hear the toning down very well in the rewritten 'Leaving Ingrid', which sports the theme's most glorious appearance on the Sony album and is reduced to a fleeting small ensemble part in the movie. Who knows? The laughably overscored Enemy at the Gates t least proves that Annaud wasn't afraid of big scoring. Btw the Leaving Ingrid film version is on the OST, edited into the middle section of track 9. I found this info in some of my old docs regarding the break-down of the tracks on the OST (done by someone else): OST track number + Cue number + cue name 1. 15m3 End Credit 2. 1m5 Young Dali Lama (Cue B) + the percussion and chanting at the end 3. 1m3 (insert) Leaving Ingrid (old Cue A) 4. 1m3A The Rescue of Peter 5m5A Escaping the Bandits: bars 1-41 13m2 The Tibetan Defeat 5. 3m1 Transported to Prison 5m6 Horsemeat and Rescue 3m7 The Second Escape 6. 13m1 Preparing the Defense 3m11 Stealing Food 11m9A The Generals Enter 13m3 The Chinese Takeover 7. 1m5 Young Dali Lama 11m4 Prophetic Dream 8. No Cue # The Child of Tibet 9. 7m1AX The Capitol City 1m7 Meeting the Sherpa: bars 1-23 1m3 Leaving Ingrid: bars 10-41 5m2 Sixty-Eight Kilometers: bars 9-end 10. 7m3 Western Clothes: bars 1-20 9m3 Meeting the Dali 11. 13m11 The Dali Lama Investiture 5m5 Heinrich's Slow Growth (bars 1-14, bars 19-112) 12. 11m10 Praying Through Telescope 3m4 The Barbed Wire Scene 9m1 Thinking by the Water 13. 15m2 Regaining a Son (New) 14. 15m3 End Credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 From 02:59 I will remain curious forever why the theme has such strong french perfume, Harrer was austrian, which in tone and temperament could not be more fundamentally different from France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Incanus said: 11. 13m11 The Dali Lama Investiture 5m5 Heinrich's Slow Growth (bars 1-14m bars 9-112) Ah, definitely music from 2 different parts of the film edited together then. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,715 Posted June 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2021 As the above OST break-down shows Williams' album for Seven Years in Tibet is one big edit. But as a listening experience it is quite excellent I must say. crumbs, Jay and The Illustrious Jerry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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