Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 2017 2-CD La-la Land edition!

[Ricard 2,245]

2 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Somewhere in this thread 

 

Yeah you mentioned that as I had done years ago without having any actual confirmation from any source.

[Jay 37,368]

4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

What does MM mean by this? Are the alternates lost due to Ken Wannberg?

 

No no, true alternates (IE, they came back another day with different sheet music and recorded a newly written version of a cue) exist and are on this set; He's just saying every take of every cue wasn't kept, just the edited version of each cue that might have several takes combined together to get the best performance.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

No.

[Ricard 2,245]

Just now, Stefancos said:

No.

 

No what?

 

 

[Jay 37,368]

I'm not sure why Stefan is arguing with Ricard about this.  It's always been clear to anyone who listened closely that the version of "Inside" in the film isn't quite the same as the version on the Pops In Space CD.

 

However, there has never been any actual, public confirmation of this fact anywhere until that FSM post by Mike, unless you count the fact that when the tracklist for this set was revealed, Inside had a * after it indicating it was previously unreleased.

[Ollie 1,059]

Edit: Nevermind, the first half of the cue on the LP was unused. 

 

Forgot the cue changed to trucking in the SE.

[Ricard 2,245]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

It's always been clear to anyone who listened closely that the version of "Inside" in the film isn't quite the same as there version on the Pops In Space CD.

 

Well...

 

On 9/6/2017 at 3:28 PM, Richard said:

Steef, I'm sure that this has been discussed before, and I'm not sure of the recording details. All I can say is that, after living with both SE:CE3K and POPS IN SPACE, for thirty-seven years, it sounds the same, and it feels the same. In fact, I never once thought that it wasn't the same. 

I would very much liked to be proven wrong.

 

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However, there has never been any actual, public confirmation of this fact anywhere until that FSM post by Mike, unless you count the fact that when the tracklist for this set was revealed, Inside had a * after it indicating it was previously unreleased.

 

Exactly. It was the first confirmation that it was a different recording done with the Boston Pops at the same recording session.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I answered Richard's question if I recall correctly. Because I knew they were different recordings.

 

Is that so hard to understand?

[Jay 37,368]

Maybe  the take used in the film was recored "clean", IE, just the cue was recorded, while the version on Pops in Space was recorded "live" with the rest of the suite, IE the suite was recorded all at once, not recorded in pieces and edited together.

 

There's barely any difference between either take, honestly.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

That is true.

[Ricard 2,245]

6 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

I answered Richard's question if I recall correctly. Because I knew they were different recordings.

 

Is that so hard to understand?

 

It's perfectly understandable that you answered a question without having any source to back it up. As I had done repeatedly many years ago.

 

And that Mike revealed for the first time on FSM that the two recordings were done by the BPO at the same recording sessions. First actual confirmation as I said. But you like arguing for the sake of it as usual.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

ABBA has got some great disco songs! Much better than the disco versions of JW's great soundtracks. 

 

 

Chic will always and forever be THE disco band to me.  But ABBA being Scandinavian I understand why you single them out so I forgive you  

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Who says i didn't have a source? I was in Hollywood when this release was announced.

 

Really!

[phbart 609]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

It's always been clear to anyone who listened closely that the version of "Inside" in the film isn't quite the same as the version on the Pops In Space CD.

Was there ever any doubt about this? That's intriguing...

 

Oh, and that is on the "By Request" 1987 CD too.

[Jay 37,368]

2 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Who says i didn't have a source? I was in Hollywood when this release was announced.

 

Really!

 

I was in LLL's offices when a transfer of "Inside" was delivered to them!

[Ricard 2,245]

6 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Who says i didn't have a source? I was in Hollywood when this release was announced.

 

Really!

 

You should have mentioned the facts as clearly as MM did yesterday!

 

6 minutes ago, phbart said:

Was there ever any doubt about this? That's intriguing...

 

Again:

 

On 9/6/2017 at 3:28 PM, Richard said:

Steef, I'm sure that this has been discussed before, and I'm not sure of the recording details. All I can say is that, after living with both SE:CE3K and POPS IN SPACE, for thirty-seven years, it sounds the same, and it feels the same. In fact, I never once thought that it wasn't the same. 

I would very much liked to be proven wrong.

 

Also KM and many others weren't too sure that it wasn't the same recording.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, Rick said:

You should have mentioned the facts as clearly as MM did yesterday!

 

Believe me when I say I couldn't. 

[Ricard 2,245]

But you mentioned it anyway, which is no surprise since you're known for revealing things you're not supposed to. Without mentioning the source.

 

Of course it didn't count as a confirmation for anything unlike Mike's post.

[pete 907]

25 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

 

Chic will always and forever be THE disco band to me.  But ABBA being Scandinavian I understand why you single them out so I forgive you  

 

 

Wow, just minutes ago, I just finished watching this Nile Rodgers Chic doc^
 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

4 minutes ago, Rick said:

But you mentioned it anyway, which is no surprise since you're known for revealing things you're not supposed to. Without mentioning the source.

 

Of course it didn't count as a confirmation for anything unlike Mike's post.

 

Who says Ive ever revealed anything i wasnt supposed to? Really Ricard? 

PM me if you wanna talk about this. People really aren't interested.

[Ricard 2,245]

1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

 

Who says Ive ever revealed anything i wasnt supposed to? Really Ricard?

 

It's a fact.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Whatever. 

[Joni Wiljami 1,206]

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Popcorn?  I find it quite dull

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Popcorn makes me fary!

[Ollie 1,059]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

I was in LLL's offices when a transfer of "Inside" was delivered to them!

 

 

 

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

No no, true alternates (IE, they came back another day with different sheet music and recorded a newly written version of a cue) exist and are on this set; He's just saying every take of every cue wasn't kept, just the edited version of each cue that might have several takes combined together to get the best performance.

 

Thanks for clarifying. I guess this implies that potentially bad edits could be difficult to improve.

[Jay 37,368]

There are no bad edits!

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

16 minutes ago, Jay said:

There are no bad edits!

 

That's good to hear!  I guess I was thinking about the bad edits on the original soundtrack release and fearing the worst. Buy the 1998 release had good editing, if I recall correctly.

 

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

Chic will always and forever be THE disco band to me.

 

I'll check them out since I don't know them that we'll.

[Jay 37,368]

Mike M read the discussion between Steef and Ricard and found it funny and sad.  He asked me to post this clarification of some things being discussed here

 

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The Close Encounters suite wasn’t necessarily recorded at the same session as the “Inside” cue because I don’t know the “Pops in Space” recording dates. Columbia would have paid for the sessions for the film cue, for which they recorded five takes (they went with take 5). Also, the transfer of the cue that was delivered to the La-La Land office is not what we used. That came from 1/4”, but  we subsequently found the 2-inch tape with a 6-track mix on it and that was the element.

The entire scoring sessions exist and I listened to every last bit of them. But anything that was used for the finished performances was spliced out of the first generation reels and assembled onto “master” reels. So all of the other takes do exist and that’s where things like “The Approach” and “Contact (Alternate)” came from. The analog edits on the master rolls are there and are in some instances are quite audible to my ear.

 

[Marian Schedenig 8,198]

10 hours ago, crocodile said:

EDIT. Some more comments from Mike Matessino from FSM board:

 

 

Sounds to me like the near-complete, near-chronological programme on disc 1 of this new set is much closer to Williams's original album programme than what ended up being released. I hope Thor is well.

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2 hours ago, Jay said:

MM: That came from 1/4”, but  we subsequently found the 2-inch tape with a 6-track mix on it and that was the element.

 

I love that MM and LLL are relentless in their quest to create the best possible release, without cutting any corners, especially if they know better quality audio sources exist. Most consumer labels would have a '1/4" is good enough' mantra with details like this.

 

We're in such very good hands.

[phbart 609]

Thank the Maker we have MM in our lives. I don't know about you, but I prefer the white chocolate one.

[Faleel 5,350]

2 hours ago, crumbs said:

We're in such very good hands.

Insert Home Alone clip here

[Brundlefly 2,385]

7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

Sounds to me like the near-complete, near-chronological programme on disc 1 of this new set is much closer to Williams's original album programme than what ended up being released. I hope Thor is well.

This will lead to an emergency shutdown, because there is no logical way to define this release. What is the OST now?! Perfect listening experience?! But by La-La Land and nevertheless complete?! What's the argument against buying it @Thor?

[Amer 2,110]

 

13 hours ago, Jay said:

I'm not sure why Stefan is arguing with Ricard about this.  It's always been clear to anyone who listened closely that the version of "Inside" in the film isn't quite the same as the version on the Pops In Space CD.

 

However, there has never been any actual, public confirmation of this fact anywhere until that FSM post by Mike, unless you count the fact that when the tracklist for this set was revealed, Inside had a * after it indicating it was previously unreleased.

 

It was revealed much earlier, in fact years ago [maybe MM himself in some discussion] that the actual take was not used in the Boston Pops recording and the take used in the film was a different one. I'm forgetting exactly where. Its been a long time. In fact, I mentioned the same a few posts before La La Land Records and Mike Matessino elaborated its history on the FSM thread.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Never mind Amer. Ricard and Jason will not accept this. They will even ridicule and/or accuse you.

[Jay 37,368]

Don't rope me into this!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

You gone and stood in the line of fire mate.

[Ricard 2,245]

8 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Never mind Amer. Ricard and Jason will not accept this. They will even ridicule and/or accuse you.

 

You're not Amer, Steef...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

14 minutes ago, Rick said:

You're not Amer, Steef...

 

That's something we cannot disagree about.

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

12 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

 

That's something we cannot disagree about.

 

I'm sure you can!

[Ollie 1,059]

The CD cannot go on sale soon enough.

[OneBuckFilms 323]

This looks like an incredible release, IMHO.

 

While I'm likely to do the C & C reorganization on my digital organization of the score, this looks like a great album-like experience on CD for driving.

 

I will definitely order the moment it goes live.

[OneBuckFilms 323]

So when is the Legendary Spreadsheet coming for this?

I love your spreadsheets @Jay.

[Jay 37,368]

Detailed information for those who want to pick apart things will be given later, everyone should enjoy the new presentations that have been prepared first!

[Alan 689]

Great time to be a John Williams fan! Terrible time to be my wallet (not that that is going to stop me...)

[Sandor 797]

Anyone know what time -CET- this will be available for orders?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Just now, Sandor said:

Anyone know what time -CET- this will be available for orders?

 

In about 17 minutes

[Smeltington 1,440]