#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 18 hours ago, Richard said: The empire in EPs. III - VI lasted only for 26 years. That must be the shortest empire, ever. the Nazis lasted shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 So much for fascism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Its a flawed system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Most are, I'm afraid. Time to discard the vestiges of civilisation, and go back to nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fabulin said: that is why Ewoks are superior Oh my god, Lucas' vision, finally revealed! He's a genius! Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Ewoks are better than everythi.... nah, I can’t do it. I just can’t. Chen G. and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Yeah I ain't clickin' that. Is CinemaWins as insipid as the channel that inspired it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Oh god, not this thread again! AAAHH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Yeah I ain't clickin' that. Is CinemaWins as insipid as the channel that inspired it? It's the same guy Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 Can't wait for the next 2 month long feud with Mattris to ensue... Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Bumping this thread. Greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Well, time to get business back to speed! Shop is open, gentlemen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The Last Jedi is a masterpiece, quite possibly the best film ever made. The way it subverted the apes' expectations was particularly clever on tRIANmphent Johnson's part, making everyone hate it and then, when J.J. returns for the final installment, people will herald it as a masterstroke, realizing once and for all The Last Jedi was not a failure, but one piece of a larger picture! A. A. Ron and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (sigh) Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Glad to see that bump didn't last too long and the thread is settling back down the list. Whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I'm sure many of you have dreamed of my return to this topic. It will come as a surprise to none that I have some more thoughts to share. I'll start with this: Rian Johnson's "pure instinct" explanation/excuse for Luke's actions in TLJ does not make sense. After Luke Skywalker saved his father from the Dark Side, he started a Jedi Academy. Roughly 20 years later, Luke had the "pure instinct" to KILL one of his students - his own sleeping nephew, Ben - because he had sensed the Dark Side in him, as well as some dark deeds that Ben hadn't yet committed. Unfortunately for the audience, Rian Johnson failed to show... ... how Jedi Academy Instructor Luke Skywalker fell from grace to arrive at that "moment of pure instinct". ... how (and why) Snoke turned Ben's heart to the Dark Side ... how (and why) didn't Luke prevent - or attempt to sway - Ben from turning to the Dark Side, even though he had "sensed [the Dark Side within Ben] in moments in his training" ... why Ben didn't come to Luke, his instructor and uncle, for help. ... why, after one major mistake, Luke completely gave up on his friends and family. Some will say that there is a difference between conscious (realization) and unconscious ("pure instinct") actions. But that concept does not apply here since Luke CONSCIOUSLY allowed Ben to succumb to the Dark Side during his training, CONSCIOUSLY avoided talking to Ben about it, CONSCIOUSLY sneaked into Ben's abode in the middle of the night, CONSCIOUSLY Force read Ben's heart, and CONSCIOUSLY determined that he had turned to the Dark Side... and that Ben would be responsible for terrible deeds in the future... 'death and destruction of everything he knew'. Luke then CONSCIOUSLY unlatched his lightsaber from his belt and ignited it, CONSCIOUSLY thinking that he could get away with assassinating Ben... and then CONSCIOUSLY regretted his thoughts and actions. Though by then, is was too late since Ben had awoken. ALL of these actions by Luke Skywalker fall under the banner of 'conscious sneaking' - rather than confrontation - to resolve an issue. This alone could be its own topic of discussion. Regardless, the "pure instinct" excuse is complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted February 3, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2019 ffs it's been over a year, just let it go Chen G., Demodex, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Don't worry. I'm sure Abrams will retcon everything in TLJ. Luke knows what someone who falls to Dark Side is capable of so it doesn't surprise me he would try to snuff it out before Ben commits atrocity. He admits he was wrong for doing what he did. As far as abandoning his family, Obi Wan and Yoda went into hiding too, so it's not that much of a stretch that Luke would go into isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Mattris, You continue to complain about a trilogy that, may I remind you, hasn't even concluded yet. So wait for nine, everything will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Lando will explain everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Hello, what have we here? - credits roll - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 OT purists be like: John and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 @Mattris I think you mean 'succumb', not 'cecum'? Who gives a shit either way if Luke consciously acted on murdering Ben? From Luke's own perspective he was: A) Emotionally compromised and B) Acted on pure impulse and instinct because he believed in that moment that Ben was a threat. Either way, that was the point of Luke's failure, and as a flawed individual who then went into exile. He realized in the moment he went to strike Ben that it was a mistake, and then shit hit the fan when Ben realized and thought he was being betrayed by his uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 People like Mattress can't deal with Luke being a flawed individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Lies! Fake news! Luke would never do such a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 A manly man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 A real American! #MakeStarWarsGreatAgain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Holdo wants 70% of your paycheck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 How fucking great is The Last Jedi? Easily the best Star Wars film since Empire. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I didn't think it was all that great, but it was decent and a fun watch. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, crumbs said: How fucking great is The Last Jedi? Easily the best Star Wars film since Empire. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 A few silly missteps with pacing and plot contrivances but overall the most solid sequel since Empire. Holko and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 AOTC is still the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Feeding the troll again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Demodex said: Don't worry. I'm sure Abrams will retcon everything in TLJ. If there's still an interesting discussion to be gleaned from this topic, its this one. Personally, I don't think so. Abrams was an executive producer on the film, so he must have approved of what Rian Johnson was doing. Just because Abrams made a formulaic film in The Force Awakens, doesn't mean that he's a formulaic storyteller: that's just what was needed for The Force Awakens. Besides, even if he wanted to retcon the film, how would he do that? Flashbacks would be the obvious choice, but the issue than becomes that Star Wars just doesn't do nonlinear. In the original sextet, there are no flashbacks, and no flash-forwards with the exception of a brief dream sequence in Revenge of the Sith. In the sequel trilogy, we had one flashback sequence (which also included a flashforward) in The Force Awakens, and another (that we returned to three times) in The Last Jedi. Even in the spinoffs, I seem to recall no more than one or two flashbacks in Rogue One, and that's it. Added to that, third entries are usually less nonlinear than their predecessors. The filmmakers have more than enough on their plates with offering a decent conclusion to their film and the entire trilogy, and so they can't be bothered by jumping back-and-forth across the timeline too much. That couldn't be more true than of this film, with the swapping of the director, and the need to provide a resolution to two previous films which are so different, as well as (in theory) an entire previous sextet, itself very heterogenic, as well as so removed from the sequel trilogy. 5 hours ago, crumbs said: How fucking great is The Last Jedi? Easily the best Star Wars film since Empire. The Force Awakens is still better in my book, but its a fine film any way you spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 And Williams didnt kinda do that for Star Wars (1977) anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chen G. 3,950 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Fabulin said: This is madness. I meant from a commercial standpoint, rather than an artistic one. The familiarity of The Force Awakens is certainly its biggest detractor. But I think films are meant to be, first and foremost, entertaining, which The Force Awakens is. The Last Jedi, while I agree its a fine picture, came up on TV two days ago, and I actually switched the channel. That's proof enough for me as to which is the superior picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: The familiarity of The Force Awakens is certainly its biggest detractor. But I think films are meant to be, first and foremost, entertaining, which The Force Awakens is. The Force Awakens is Disney showing the world that Star Wars can be fun again. It was very carefully created to do this. Chen G. and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The prequels weren't fun? Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, dougie said: The prequels weren't fun? Sometimes, but the horrible acting and dialogue make them unwatchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 But that's part of their schlocky matinee serial charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The Force Awakens is Disney showing the world that Star Wars can be fun again. It was very carefully created to do this. And it did achieve that goal. Part of why it was succesful is that JJ Abrams took a formula from the seventies, and managed to repackage it for the audiences of the 2010's quite succesfully. For instance, there's nothing too remarkable about the camerawork in the original Star Wars. The compositions are often striking, but the camera itself is very static, the lighting is predominantly high-key, the close-ups don't pop, there's no use of slow-motion, there are no long takes to speak of. That kind of understated directing will have worked for 70s audiences, but quite simply was not going to fly in 2015. So JJ Abrams took that formula but updated the cinematography - the use of long-takes is particularly noteworthy - without ever drawing the audience's attention too much to how the film was directed. Its a seamless experience in that regard, and that's no small feat. JoeinAR, Not Mr. Big, The Illustrious Jerry and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 56 minutes ago, dougie said: The prequels weren't fun? They are trash. Bad films bad acting directing surprisingly bad effects that do not hold up and with the exception of TPM mediocre Williams scores Chen you have never seen the original Star Wars. Few herr have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Chen you have never seen the original Star Wars. Few here have. True. But it still feels wrong to call it "A New Hope". Anyway, my point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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