Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 If you are referring to... sexuality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Put your hands on me, Drax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I am your fiance! Ii2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: That's a legit attitude many people seem to have. The "Disney's just making good movies and none of you are allowed to dislike them" attitude. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm entitled to my opinion. God forbid I voice it though, then it's just fanboy bitching. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: No he's not. That's a legit attitude many people seem to have. The "Disney's just making good movies and none of you are allowed to dislike them" attitude. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm entitled to my opinion. God forbid I voice it though, then it's just fanboy bitching. Indeed, there is an evident cult-like, collective braindead commitment to Disney as a brand, mainly among Millennials and Gen-Zs who were practically babysat by Disney movies in the 1990s. And now it's become so saturated, it's almost blasphemous to criticise them. Get 'em while they're young. Ii2, Docteur Qui, leeallen01 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 At least it was kind of fun to speculate after TFA. Things like; who are Rey's parents? How did the First Order come to power? Who is Snoke? Where has Luke been? Etc. But TLJ destroyed any hope of speculation and payoff by having zero plan at all and just winging it, making any further speculation about Ep9 as being utterly pointless because after TLJ you realise they have no idea what they're doing and there is no logical or consistent path that they could take the story that would make it feel whole. In the future, it will be looked back on as three very separate and messed up films that had no direction and no cohesion. Whereas the OT and Prequels both work as solid trilogies that have a central story. OT; Luke's journey. Prequels; Vader's journey. And overall they work as one, with all six being about Vader and the Skywalker's as a whole. The new trilogy isn't about the Skywalkers, however much Disney wants you to think it is. It is about Rey, who we know nothing about (her past, her personality, her motivations, her reason for even being in the story). It's all just pointless. Chen G. and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 59 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: At least it was kind of fun to speculate after TFA. Things like; who are Rey's parents? How did the First Order come to power? Who is Snoke? Where has Luke been? Etc. But TLJ destroyed any hope of speculation and payoff by having zero plan at all and just winging it, making any further speculation about Ep9 as being utterly pointless because after TLJ you realise they have no idea what they're doing and there is no logical or consistent path that they could take the story that would make it feel whole. In the future, it will be looked back on as three very separate and messed up films that had no direction and no cohesion. Whereas the OT and Prequels both work as solid trilogies that have a central story. OT; Luke's journey. Prequels; Vader's journey. And overall they work as one, with all six being about Vader and the Skywalker's as a whole. The new trilogy isn't about the Skywalkers, however much Disney wants you to think it is. It is about Rey, who we know nothing about (her past, her personality, her motivations, her reason for even being in the story). It's all just pointless. It's like Chris Carter is secretly in charge! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 @leeallen01 Well, we still don't know the full extent of Snoke's character or his plans. We're still unsure on Rey's parentage, which I think was intentionally left open for the last film to answer. If IX goes with the Knights of Ren shenanigans, I think that might be a good opportunity to strengthen and flesh out Snoke's involvement as much as Kylo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I imagine that many of those burning questions will feature in the thousands of spin-off novels, comics, games and television series that are being released. Hopefully they’ll soften the blow of the leanly told films to the more hardened fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Mattris said: It's at the end of the cue. You can't miss it. Uh, I must not understand what you're talking about because all I hear is Anakin's theme. There's nothing there that I would associate with Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Demodex said: Uh, I must not understand what you're talking about because all I hear is Anakin's theme. There's nothing there that I would associate with Vader. I think he means the end of the theme in that track, at 0:59. This one is actually correct (but also well known to be intentional). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Ok. I'll take another listen. I guess I've missed it for the past 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Williams famously based Anakin's Theme on the structure of The Emperial March. As a nice foreshadowing hint This isnt new information. That doesnt mean that similarities in structure, chords etc in other themes are meant to be foreshadowing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Musically I always loved how he put that into Anakin’s theme, with a slight sense of foreboding, but it doesn’t really reflect the character as we see him on screen. A bit like how the headstrong and stubborn Leia gets a sweeping romantic melody more akin to a love theme. I think that’s why I like Rey’s theme so much, it doesn’t try to say anything about the character that Daisy Ridley’s charismatic performance doesn’t already. It’s a remarkably modern approach for someone with Williams’ history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just listened to that and I hear it now. I don't know how I never noticed that before. I just thought that was just part of Anakin's theme since all the other uses of the Imperial March are anything but subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Williams famously based Anakin's Theme on the structure of The Emperial March. As a nice foreshadowing hint This isnt new information. That doesnt mean that similarities in structure, chords etc in other themes are meant to be foreshadowing anything. Indeed, also because, in Anakin's case, it's literally the same character in two different stages of his life, and audiences in 1999 already knew his future evolution. More than a hint, it was a sort of "reminder" of what people already knew would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Score said: Indeed, also because, in Anakin's case, it's literally the same character in two different stages of his life, and audiences in 1999 already knew his future evolution. More than a hint, it was a sort of "reminder" of what people already knew would happen. And Vader's breathing apparatus added in the film version just to hammer it in further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Because subtlety is for suckers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I didn't realize Anakin was Darth Vader until I saw the Phantom Menace poster with the shadow of Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,950 Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Arpy said: We're still unsure on Rey's parentage, Why are people unwilling to take Kylo's words at face value? He only asks Rey to admit that which she already knows, but denies. Its but a vessel for the filmmaker to communicate his intent. There's no point in making Reys parents people of any significance: it'll just take away from her growth, and it won't change her character one bit. A. A. Ron, Falstaft, Holko and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Because people don't want her to be a nobody. They want her to be Luke's secret daughter or Chewie's niece. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,530 Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 Preferably both. Falstaft, Bilbo, A. A. Ron and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Stefancos said: They want her to be Luke's secret daughter or Chewie's niece. I blame it all on Return of the Jedi. With that stupid (yes, stupid) twist that Leia was Luke's sister, it conditioned people into this state of mind in which everyone is related. A. A. Ron and Unlucky Bastard 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I agree! It doesn't even make sense if you watch the other 2 films. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Do people still think her parents are some important character in the story? Not Luke (he probably would have said something to her), not Han & Leia (this ain't Game of Thrones, and we all know Kylo & Rey gonna get it on), not Lando because he uses protection, not Obi-Wan because obvious reasons. Basically that just leaves Palpatine to be Rey's daddy. Mattris, you genius. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 Ii2, Jurassic Shark, Fabulin and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ii2 210 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: With that stupid (yes, stupid) twist that Leia was Luke's sister, it conditioned people into this state of mind in which everyone is related. It wasn't at all a stupid twist. You can always see that little connection that you feel when watching the first film. In my opinion the twist was destined to happen and ultimately planned to happen. Mattris and Fabulin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ii2 said: It wasn't at all a stupid twist. Yoy can always that little connection that you feel when watching the first film. In my opinion the twist was destined to happen and ultimately planned to happen. *cough* Empire kiss scene *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ii2 210 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, SteveMc said: *cough* Empire kiss scene *cough* There was hesitation! They knew it was wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 The hesitation was because Leia loved Han already. The way Luke looks at Leia's hologram in the first film is not platonic. A. A. Ron and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 sweet home Alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 58 minutes ago, Ii2 said: It wasn't at all a stupid twist. You can always see that little connection that you feel when watching the first film. In my opinion the twist was destined to happen and ultimately planned to happen. You drank the George Lucas Diet Coke, dude! Chen G. and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Luke and Leia gaze at each other like Mulder and Scully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: I blame it all on Return of the Jedi. With that stupid (yes, stupid) twist that Leia was Luke's sister, it conditioned people into this state of mind in which everyone is related. At least she wasn't his brother! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Three eyes are better than two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: He looks healthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: At least she wasn't his brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, SteveMc said: *cough* Empire kiss scene *cough* Doesn't Leia kiss Luke a good three times over the course of the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Doesn't Leia kiss Luke a good three times over the course of the movie? And that's just what they show onscreen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Eeewww! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Fabulin said: I do not understand what harm is supposedly done by siblings kissing. Found the guy from Alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 so that's what the song's about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 On 4/11/2019 at 10:27 AM, Chen G. said: Why are people unwilling to take Kylo's words at face value? He only asks Rey to admit that which she already knows, but denies. Its but a vessel for the filmmaker to communicate his intent. There's no point in making Reys parents people of any significance: it'll just take away from her growth, and it won't change her character one bit. How could Kylo know who Rey's parents were? He and Snoke acted as though they did not know who she was. So the logical conclusion is one of two options: 1. Kylo read Rey's mind and knew that she thought her parents were "nobody" an has the "They were filthy junk traders" line ready. 2. Kylo hoped that Rey would come to the conclusion that her parents were "nobody" and had a confirmation ready. I don't think either knew the truth of her parents, but they were both seeking closure on the matter. In the heat of the moment, Rey finally admitted that her parents were dead (and not 'coming back')... and, without her parental connection, Kylo tempted her to join him. Having an explanation for Rey's origin will change her character because she will finally understand her identity and purpose. But it will not "take away from her growth". Once Rey understands why the Force awakened in her, the audience will be provided a reason for her to exist in the first place. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Of the two choices, its definitely the former. Kylo only gets Rey to say that which she always knew, but was in denial about. It could not be clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 It certainly fits Johnson's ideas to subvert how we receive characters like Rey who we expect to have some powerful connection - even JW joked about wondering who Rey's parents were. In a series of films that have had these strong familial connections, it isn't absurd to wonder if Rey is connected to some of the older characters. I don't really mind one way or another, I'm not going to throw a hissy fit if she isn't connected to the OT characters or not - I think she's Luke's daughter who he abandoned on Jakku as he was conflicted with how to raise her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 That makes Luke a bit of a dick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Stefancos said: That makes Luke a bit of a dick though. Like he was in TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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