The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 57 minutes ago, Richard said: THE ACCIDENTAL FUCKING TOURIST! I haven't seen that one. Is it good? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I haven't seen that one. Is it good? Almost as good as The Accidental Tourist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 It's James Horner on steroids! I like the score. It's not the most coherent one and lacks Horner's sense of structure (as the piece above demonstrates) but there's a lot of cool stuff in it. I would definitely buy an expanded set of this. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, crocodile said: It's James Horner on steroids! I like the score. It's not the most coherent one and lacks Horner's sense of structure (as the piece above demonstrates) but there's a lot of cool stuff in it. I would definitely buy an expanded set of this. Karol It's not coherent and lacks a sense of structure primarily because that is the film-edited version, or the Cameron hack-job version, of the cue. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yYostbQPHqmwKGwjY55tw3ZYWRhtpBjq/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, NL197 said: It's not coherent and lacks a sense of structure primarily because that is the film-edited version, or the Cameron hack-job version, of the cue. The version from the full untouched sessions isn't much better. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 And what of the cues I linked in the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Well, the first half of it is fine but then it turns into a more chaotic and shapeless moment-to-moment scoring. Horner is known for his big cues and setpieces and Avatar, sadly, doesn't really offer many. At least in terms of action cues. It's not his fault really. I still like the score. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 It was a great Casino game, but they removed them in Atlantic City! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I think Horner betrays his melodic grace here. I'll say this, when the main theme does appear, it is indeed quite lovely - but where the heck is it? Its full version is played only once in the film by the boy soprano. I think this is why it fails to have the emotional impact that the main theme of titanic does in the film. And sorry the War cue posted above, it sounded a lot like Remote Control and power anthems. Again no melodic grace. Kasey Kockroach and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: But is it better than Titanic? To me, yes it is. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/7/2019 at 9:03 PM, NL197 said: So you're one of those who takes a 10 second long motif and writes off a two hour score for it. NO. Avatar and Titanic (and Aliens) do not have much in common. One minor motif doesn't prove your stupid argument. Look in the mirror when you tell someone to fuck off. @NL197 My friend, what have I done to upset you? What could I have typed to get you so angry? "10 second...motif"? If you read my text, you'll see that I made no reference to any "10 second motif", so...what is the basis for this? "One minor motif"? Again, provide evidence of my writing this. Could it be that you read too much into my post; that you assumed? @Jay is right: my comment was not aimed at anyone on JWfan, but, instead, at the link. For the record, I do think that ST:II and ALIENS have a lot in common with AVATAR. The three scores offer prime examples of Horner's style. More than that, however, they all contain the same strands of his musical DNA. Listen to ALIENS, and then to AVATAR, and one will hear that it is, unmistakably, the work of the same person ( @JoeinAR listen to the End Title of ALIEN, then the climactic music for ST:TMP, and tell me they don't have much in common ). Every composer; artist; person has traits that last from birth to earth, from womb to tomb. Horner is no different. As for me not liking AVATAR; who really cares? It's just a parlour-game, isn't it? Mine is one man's opinion, of one score, among a large body of work. It's not going to change the world. By the way, sometimes, I do like to look in the mirror, when I "fuck off", but that's another story, for another time. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 No. But it's very good. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 That's probably the best summation of the score: a solid B, but nowhere the A+ of scores such as THE NAME OF THE ROSE, KRULL, and BRAINSTORM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Richard said: By the way, sometimes, I do like to look in the mirror, when I "fuck off", but that's another story, for another time. Looking forward to that story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just log on to bathroompervs.org. and watch what I do with a bar of soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Damn its up to 15 stoopid people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 No, it's just 11! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I'm sure most of the 15 people don't dislike the score. It takes a lot for a score to be an all-time great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Jurassic World you are a member of the 15. It is seriously sad to see the disrespect given to the late GREAT James Horner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Richard said: Jay, listen to the End Title of ALIEN, then the climactic music for ST:TMP, and tell me they don't have much in common Huh? Why did you direct this at me? I haven't said one word about any of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 16 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Zimmer is exceptionally mediocre. As is Avatar (and Titanic as well, by the way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 16 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Zimmer wishes he had the talent to write a score as good as Avatar Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 That’s not very nice. Jurassic Shark and Chen G. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: Huh? Why did you direct this at me? I haven't said one word about any of this I didn't mean you, Jay. Sorry. My bad. I meant Joe. Apologies, etc. I...am a worm (licks computer screen). Ps, you did defend me against what I now believe is NT's mistaken attack. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Too long with Titanic theme ripoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 It is a quite solid score with some great moments...calling it "great" overall is going a bit overboard IMO. Feel similarly about Horner's other two collaborations with Cameron for that matter...put any of them up against say Legends of the Fall and it's "Game over, man! Game over..." Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 I prefer Braveheart. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 16 brilliant people! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 We should all shut up, and listen to STAR TREK: III; a true masterpiece. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 We should just take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, John said: That’s not very nice. He had it coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I prefer Braveheart. Brother! 😉 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 So do I. Braveheart>Titanic> Avatar Chen G. and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, SteveMc said: So do I. Braveheart>Titanic> Avatar Incorrect order. Titanic>Avatar>Braveheart>anything by heir Zimmer or giacchino Lets amp this baby up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Lets amp this baby up Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Why is Zimmer worthy of having his name capitalized but not Giacchino? I can at least name four Giacchino scores I like, while only two Zimmers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Why the hell are people talking about Zimmer in an AVATAR thread anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Great score? More like a GREAT BORE! The Illustrious Jerry and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Thor said: Why the hell are people talking about Zimmer in an AVATAR thread anyway? Same reason we’ll eventually talk about Giacchino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeinAR said: Titanic>Avatar>Braveheart In a fantasy world where I could (or, for some inexplicable reason, wanted to) truly seperate the quality of a score from the quality of the film, I might agree. But I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, mstrox said: Great score? More like a GREAT BORE! You should make a poll about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, Chen G. said: In a fantasy world where I could (or, for some inexplicable reason, wanted to) truly seperate the quality of a score from the quality of the film, I might agree. But I don't. Thats the wonderful thing about disregarding others opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Titanic>Avatar>Braveheart Now I'll agree with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 The poll closes on 23:59 CET, which is seven-and-a-half hours from now. Then this decade-old question will be settled once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Is it a good score? Yes. Is it BRAINSTORM good? No frackin' way! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I weirdly never got into Brainstorm. Perhaps I should check out the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 It's hard to find, and it's very "80s", but it has some good character moments, and a standout performance from Louise Fletcher, as well as some nice sideswipes at big business. My friend's R1 DVD moved from 1.85:1, to 2:65:1, (like the film), so it looked odd. If you can live with that... The SFX speak for themselves. The score is magnificent. I hope you enjoy it, and as Chris Walken says: "Nobody locks me out!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: The poll closes on 23:59 CET, which is seven-and-a-half hours from now. Then this decade-old question will be settled once and for all. This thread has proven the options were far too limiting. I think it's great, nothing here will change that. I guess you needed your opinion validated or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 The opinion of the voting majority is all that counts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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