Josh500 1,615 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 This does sound a bit like the climax of Anderton's Great Escape, where Cruise is being attacked by the auto assembling robots... (Yes, I've been listening to MR a lot lately)! The moment from 2:20 onward: That said, this could be JW or just some piece that sounds like JW wrote it. Not entirely sure, either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I don't understand the argument about the rhytm being something Williams would not do. The Grievous piece above? Mine Car Chase? Tie Fighter Attack? Whenever a chase really gets distressed and serious, and not quite lyrical, this is precisely what Williams does! Hear here [3:32]: crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: I don't understand the argument about the rhytm being something Williams would not do. The Grievous piece above? Mine Car Chase? Tie Fighter Attack? Whenever a chase really gets distressed and serious, and not quite lyrical, this is precisely what Williams does! Hear here [3:32]: Wow, it's actually VERY similar to that Grievous piece, in a slower tempo! Nice spot. And the very busy woodwinds are indeed reminscent of his action writing in Jurassic Park, very well demonstrated in that cue you posted. It's like an amalgamation of his vintage and modern action writing, which bodes well for the rest of the score. Very exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 6 hours ago, crumbs said: I don't understand the argument about the rhytm being something Williams would not do. The Grievous piece above? Mine Car Chase? Tie Fighter Attack? Whenever a chase really gets distressed and serious, and not quite lyrical, this is precisely what Williams does! None of those pieces use the pattern I spelled out above, and Falstaff transcribed. Rhythm is a Williams specialty, but he has his signatures and this ain't one of 'em. Totally prepared to be wrong... edit: and wronger than just, JW wrote a rhythm that modulates as it does in Grievous and some producer looped it into static Zimmer "Mombasa" 4/4. Loert and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I'm losing track. How many TV spots are there now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, JTWfan77 said: I'm losing track. How many TV spots are there now? 264 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 18 hours ago, Will said: 1) There are no old SW themes, which is very unusual - in fact I can't think of a single other SW TV spot EVER (of 30 sec. length or longer) that did not contain any past SW themes in some variation. 2) The action part in the middle sounds like JW's frenetic action writing. It does not sound very much like ordinary trailer stock music. That was actually what struck me most about this spot, even before I realized it might be JW: "What a weird musical choice for a TV spot!" It was not at all the sound I was expecting. My thoughts exactly. It's way too unique to be stock. I would be pleased to hear this in the score. crumbs and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,515 Posted December 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: I don't understand the argument about the rhytm being something Williams would not do. The Grievous piece above? Mine Car Chase? Tie Fighter Attack? Whenever a chase really gets distressed and serious, and not quite lyrical, this is precisely what Williams does! Hear here [3:32]: I think this whole thing is a bit misleading - it could be that this is Williams, but what you actually hear in the background is a section from a cue looped three times. If that's the case then there's no real way of knowing what the "real" rhythm is. However, if it isn't looped, then there's nothing actually that "complex" about the rhythm. The accents suggest 3+3+3+3+2+2, but this adds up to 16, so there's nothing irregular about it. The whole thing is in 4/4 - as The Five Tones hinted, it's like a slowed down version of Zimmer's Mombasa. The Grievous excerpt has constantly changing meters - if you try tapping a regular beat to it (3/4 or 4/4), you can't do it very well. The same goes for The Falcon, the beginning of which is 2+2+2+2+3=11 so you can't fit it into 3/4 or 4/4. Similarly, this track by Jerry Goldsmith is 4/4+7/8. THESE are irregular patterns, but not the pattern in this TV spot, which is just 4/4 with some syncopation. Another way to think about it is that if you imagine someone conducting, they would have to keep changing their motions in the excerpts I listed in the paragraph above, but this wouldn't be the case for Mombasa nor this TV spot. Just wanted to highlight that there's nothing really linking Williams' past use of irregular meters (i.e. in his action music) with the rhythm in this TV spot. Remco, Will, Fabulin and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I don't think it sounds like Williams but I'm usually wrong about this sort of things so I'm going to say it's Williams. Will and The Five Tones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 42 minutes ago, Loert said: I think this whole thing is a bit misleading - it could be that this is Williams, but what you actually hear in the background is a section from a cue looped three times. If that's the case then there's no real way of knowing what the "real" rhythm is. However, if it isn't looped, then there's nothing actually that "complex" about the rhythm. The accents suggest 3+3+3+3+2+2, but this adds up to 16, so there's nothing irregular about it. The whole thing is in 4/4 - as The Five Tones hinted, it's like a slowed down version of Zimmer's Mombasa. The Grievous excerpt has constantly changing meters - if you try tapping a regular beat to it (3/4 or 4/4), you can't do it very well. The same goes for The Falcon, the beginning of which is 2+2+2+2+3=11 so you can't fit it into 3/4 or 4/4. Similarly, this track by Jerry Goldsmith is 4/4+7/8. THESE are irregular patterns, but not the pattern in this TV spot, which is just 4/4 with some syncopation. Another way to think about it is that if you imagine someone conducting, they would have to keep changing their motions in the excerpts I listed in the paragraph above, but this wouldn't be the case for Mombasa nor this TV spot. Just wanted to highlight that there's nothing really linking Williams' past use of irregular meters (i.e. in his action music) with the rhythm in this TV spot. Total Recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Loert said: Just wanted to highlight that there's nothing really linking Williams' past use of irregular meters (i.e. in his action music) with the rhythm in this TV spot. You did a much better job of clarifying than I did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I saw another TV spot on Freeform tonight which used snippets of “The Asteroid Field” but I couldn’t tell if it was a new or existing recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edmilson 7,466 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Thanks to Solo, Asteroid Field feels so cheap now. I hope Williams wrote something new for those chase scenes instead. Even if he did, Abrams would probably have asked him to put Asteroid Field or Here They Come. "See, Johnny, this is the final movie of the saga, so we gotta have as many callbacks to the classic movies everyone loves as possible. Just look at Avengers: Endgame, a huge part of the movie is set on scenes set during the previous MCU movies, and they made almost 3 billion at the box office! Disney is pressuring us to get to the same heights!" "Yeah, whatever you want, JJ Baby. Also, what the hell is Avengers: Endgame and MCU? One of those new shows young people watch on their phones or something?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The Main Reactor is still up for re-grabs isn't it? *shudders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/4/2019 at 6:48 AM, The Five Tones said: I say no. Orchestration is too broad, but also that 3+3+3+3+2+2 is more a Zimmer/rock generation rhythmic pattern and would be an awkward fit for JW. Edit: the tritone progression also doesn't sound like him, he'd do a peekaboo maybe but not a whole riff before thickening up the dissonance. On 12/4/2019 at 7:07 AM, Taikomochi said: Sounds like library music to me. On 12/4/2019 at 7:46 AM, Loert said: This sounds more like it was written by someone who has just discovered that the diminished 7th chord is a thing and decided to use it everywhere. I think the music in that advert with the Falcon/hyperdrive is more likely to be by Williams than this. On 12/4/2019 at 8:30 AM, The Five Tones said: Just not chromatic enough and/or modulating enough, see the BB-8 TFA teaser or TROS They Fly Now clip. Not enough complexity, subtle or otherwise. Well this is the fun part of the Star Wars sequels where we get to point and laugh at everyone who guessed incorrectly! Mwahahahaha! Cerebral Cortex and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,370 Posted December 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2019 Ah, this where where I recognize the music in FYC album track 2 from. Thanks for the bump! crumbs, Cerebral Cortex and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 And the start of track 7 in the trumpets! Jay and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,358 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 HAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well this is the fun part of the Star Wars sequels where we get to point and laugh at everyone who guessed incorrectly! Mwahahahaha! Now look here, I never actually ruled it out. Though it does sound a bit better without the epic drums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 L ^Guess this is mine^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/4/2019 at 12:20 AM, Cerebral Cortex said: The more I listen to this, the more it sounds like Track 2 from the FYC of TROS. I think it's him! Man, I absolutely called it! Damn, I'm good. crumbs, thx99 and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/3/2019 at 2:46 PM, Loert said: This sounds more like it was written by someone who has just discovered that the diminished 7th chord is a thing and decided to use it everywhere. After 87 years Williams finally figured this one out! crumbs, Fabulin, Bofur01 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Hat eaters, have a good sauce. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/4/2019 at 11:45 AM, The Five Tones said: Rhythm is a Williams specialty, but he has his signatures and this ain't one of 'em. Totally prepared to be wrong... And wrong I am, apparently. I said it. But I was out of pocket all day yesterday and totally missed the breaking news and the active download. I will now head hat in hand to some kind JWFanner in the DMs. On 12/4/2019 at 11:45 AM, The Five Tones said: and wronger than just, JW wrote a rhythm that modulates as it does in Grievous and some producer looped it into static Zimmer "Mombasa" 4/4. I was at least correct that the rhythm was looped to create the 4/4 groove impression. crumbs and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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