GerateWohl 4,370 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jay said: Hmm, what would be the list of John Williams scores for films that take place in contemporary time (meaning the main part of the film is contemporary, not bookends like Schindler and Ryan), that have no fantasy/sci-fi elements? You mean contemporary time when the films were actually made? Is Earthquake or Black Sunday therefore a movie that would fit that? Just now, filmmusic said: The life of Christ in a musical traditional animation film would be glorious! How come noone has thought of it? A film like The Prince of Egypt. Probably because Andrew Lloyd Webber already wrote a famous musical about the life of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 hours ago, AC1 said: Film Noir, anthology and silent films aren't genres. I wondered how long this thread could go without the inevitable debates over what constitutes a genre! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 7 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Daisy would never let him come home again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 hours ago, SteveMc said: Man, that would be interesting. I'd wager TLW is the closest we have to that. Silvestri's Predator is very close as well, with its nods to Jaws, Return of the Jedi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 What tracks at what timestamps do you hear those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 12 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Musical. Bad idea, you never listened to Thomas and The King? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, gkgyver said: Daisy would never let him come home again. Oh Daisy would be IN it. They would make such glorious music together and even improvise with each other's instruments. Daisy would play his flute and he would play her banjo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 22 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: I'd like to see him do porn. He leaves that to his son. 8 hours ago, Jay said: Hmm, what would be the list of John Williams scores for films that take place in contemporary time (meaning the main part of the film is contemporary, not bookends like Schindler and Ryan), that have no fantasy/sci-fi elements? 8 hours ago, SteveMc said: The Terminal The Accidental Tourist Black Sunday Cinderella Liberty (?) The Eiger Sanction The Home Alones, but they are somewhat fantastical Stepmom Sabrina Presumed Innocent Pete N' Tillie Plenty more. Sleepers, for one. And even though it's a genre film, even Jaws fits the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: He leaves that to his son. Plenty more. Sleepers, for one. And even though it's a genre film, even Jaws fits the bill. Much of his 60's comedy output as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Oh Daisy would be IN it. They would make such glorious music together and even improvise with each other's instruments. Daisy would play his flute and he would play her banjo. I hear old Johnny is a big fan of 3rd position fingering and fluttertongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Bespin said: Bad idea, you never listened to Thomas and The King? 🤣 Only once, and I hardly remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 21 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Musical. And a sword and sandal movie. And cartoon movie. So, maybe he could cover it by scoring an upcoming cartoon sword and sandal musical. Well, Tintin has swords, a desert scene, and a singing lady, not to mention all the songs by JW. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Well, Tintin has swords, a desert scene, and a singing lady, not to mention all the songs by JW. Yeah, maybe Tintin would have been more successful if they had advertised it for what it actually is: A cartoon sword and sandal musical. So, noone except you was aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I just realized. That's how deep this movie is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 A pirate movie. Though he has composed like-cues from that genre (Jaws, Tintin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: A pirate movie. Though he has composed like-cues from that genre (Jaws, Tintin) Why not Hook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,465 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 8:32 PM, Marian Schedenig said: Sleepers, for one Most of the first part of Sleepers is set on the 60s. IIRC, the second part is in the 80s. The film was released in 1996. So it wasn't much contemporary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Most of the first part of Sleepers is set on the 60s. IIRC, the second part is in the 80s. The film was released in 1996. So it wasn't much contemporary. It's been years since I saw it. I thought only the beginning was set in the (film's) past, but the bulk of it in the (film's) present. I would argue that an offset of just a few years still qualifies as contemporary - at least I don't think Williams would score a drama set 10 years ago differently than one set in the present. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 The most memorable part of SLEEPERS is the first part set in the 60s. It has a very ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA-style aestetic going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 12:34 PM, Thor said: As you know, two of the songs from the aborted PETER PAN musical ended up in HOOK. That’s not entirely correct. Williams wrote an unknown quantity of material for the musical project Steven Spielberg was planning in 1984-1985, but apparently most of that was discarded when they started working on Hook, with JW and Bricusse starting anew and composing new songs and even recording demos specifically for this new project. Of course it’s entirely possible that Williams repurposed some of the material he originally wrote in 1984-5, but nobody really listened to any of that, nor saw any score. Btw, the original plan for Hook was to have I think 6 songs in the film (We Don’t Wanna Grow Up, Childhood, Believe, Low Below, Stick With Me, When You’re Alone), but the concept was largely abandoned before shooting started, mostly because the cast wasn’t truly a singing one. They tried to keep a couple of numbers in the film, but one was discarded (Low Below) and the other was drastically cut down in editing (When You’re Alone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Interesting, I always thought they were repurposed for HOOK, and I remember reading about this several years ago. Of course, new information may have surfaced since then that counters this. By the way, there's a full overview of the HOOK songs (7 in total) - and other JW-penned songs - in this thread of mine: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 I forgot Pick’em Up (which actually remained in the final film), so it’s 7 songs, correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 21 hours ago, karelm said: Why not Hook? Because i forgot about it. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,368 Posted April 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2021 Concerning Hook's songs, I recently wrote this post about them On 9/19/2020 at 10:35 AM, Jay said: Dan Schweiger's liner notes in the 2012 LLL CD list the songs We Don't Wanna Grow Up - Was filmed / Finished version of song appears in the theatrical cut / on the OST and LLL CD / Melody never used again Low Below - Was filmed (images posted a few posts up, lyrics found in shooting script sold on ebay) / Cut from final theatrical version / Unknown if finished version of song ever made / Melody incorporated into score (Presenting The Hook 1:22 + LLL Pirates! 0:31) Believe - Probably never filmed / Melody incorporated into score (From Mermaids To Lost Boys 1:57, Remembering Childhood 2:57, 3:21 and 4:14, Farewell Neverland 0:15, 1:23, 1:56) Pick Em Up - Was filmed / Finished version of song appears in the theatrical cut, but edited down / Full lyrics available here / Was not on the OST or LLL CD or any leak / Melody never used again Stick With Me - Probably never filmed / Melody incorporated into score (Presenting The Hook 1:54, Smee's Plan 0:07 and 1:11, The Ultimate War 0:31, 2:09, 4:23, 4:34, 5:42, and 7:02 + LLL Pirates! 0:07 and 0:26) Childhood - Probably never filmed / Lyrics published in 1992 / Fan-made recording here / Melody incorporated into score (Granny Wendy 0:55, The Arrival of Tink and The Flight To Neverland 5:07, From Mermaids To Lost Boys 3:57 and 4:05, The Never-Feast 0:47 and 0:57, Remembering Childhood 2:38, 5:10, 7:34, 8:37, 9:07, 9:59, 10:19, The Ultimate War 7:42, Farewell Neverland 0:00, 7:52, 8:54 + LLL The Nursery 0:25, The Watch 0:32, Hook Challenges Peter 0:12) When You're All Alone - Was filmed / Finished version of song appears in the theatrical cut, but edited down / On the OST and LLL CD / Melody incorporated into score (The Never-Feast 3:53, Remembering Childhood 0:00 and 1:01, The Ultimate War 7:18, Farewell Neverland 7:24, 8:11 + LLL The Watch 0:00) It is currently unknown if the other recurring themes in the score began life as song demos or not The first theme heard in the teaser trailer (Prologue 0:06 and 1:03) heard in Hook-Napped (0:11 and 0:36 and 2:20) and a cue not on the OST The second theme heard in the teaser trailer (Prologue 0:32 and 1:12) heard in The Never-Feast (3:20) and Remembering Childhood (8:47 and 9:30 and 9:46 and 10:34) and The Ultimate War (0:05, 1:03, 1:28, 2:32, 2:54, 3:11, 3:22, 4:30, 5:07, 5:15, 5:32) The theme for Tinkerbell heard in We Don't Wanna Grow Up (0:09), The Arrival of Tink and The Flight to Neverland (1:53) The Home-Alone-esque theme for family heard in Granny Wendy (0:12) and Farewell Neverland (6:00, 6:10, 6:55, 8:25, 9:14, 9:47) The theme for Hook heard in Hook-Napped (0:54 and 1:13 and 1:49 and 2:30) and LLL tracks The Bedroom (0:20, 0:35), Pirates! (0:22, 0:40, 1:04,1:27, 2:02, 2:15), and Hook Challenges Peter (0:06) The theme for Peter's relationship with the Lost Boys heard in You Are The Pan (2:27 and 3:15) The theme for the Lost Boys heard in The Banquet (0:20 and 1:41 and 2:22) and The Never-Feast (0:05 and 0:34 and 1:16) and The Ultimate War (3:42, 6:20) and cues not on the OST The fanfare heard in The Ultimate War (1:18,1:48, 2:24) Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Tom Guernsey and Naïve Old Fart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfingers 126 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 4/24/2021 at 10:47 AM, TownerFan said: but the concept was largely abandoned before shooting started They decided to make it a musical just before the shooting and abandoned the idea during the middle of the shooting. "Low below" was shot in the middle of june, one month and half before the end of the filming. Only "Believe" and "Stick With Me" seems not to have been filmed or only partially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 The mind boggles at what this musical would have been like. Michael Jackson was supposed to star in it at one point (perfect casting at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 JW should be glad he avoided that veirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Weirdo? Yes. Musical genius? Also yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Eh, he's got nothing on Beethoven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Eh, he's got nothing on Beethoven. Meh. Roll over, Beethoven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfingers 126 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Thor said: The mind boggles at what this musical would have been like. Michael Jackson was supposed to star in it at one point (perfect casting at the time). Wrong. In an interview during the promo of Hook. Spielberg explains where this "Jackson involment" rumor comes from. This rumor was born from a misunderstanding during a press conference for Indiana Jones. Spielberg denied immediately during this conference but the other journalists kept only the question. He admits that he discussed a musical project with him but that it had nothing to do with movie, more like a musical stage play project. And that it was nothing more than discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 It’s still a tantalizing idea. The story is in the Joseph McBride book. There’s also this: https://web.archive.org/web/20120208143650/http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2011/12/04/michael_jackson_was_steven_spielbergs_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfingers 126 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Here is the scan of that part of the interview where Spielberg talk about it. It is in french magazine Ciné-news (march-april 1992) (Hook was only released in April in France). Translated version : Quote Cine-news: It's been a long time waiting for a Peter Pan from Steven Spielberg...Steven Spielberg: I know. And some people were talking about Michael Jackson in the title role, which was completely wrong. When I announced in 1985 that I was making a Peter Pan, it was supposed to be a very faithful version of the J.M. Barrie novel. I had a script in development. And I remember at a press conference for Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in England, a journalist said in front of a couple of hundred other journalists, "I hear Michael Jackson is going to play Peter Pan." And, immediately, it became a worldwide rumor. For years, people thought I was doing a Peter Pan with Michael Jackson. Years later, I actually met Michael and we talked about doing a Peter Pan musical together one of these days. That was it: a conversation. It never went any further. The false rumor of Captain Hook played by David Bowie is more tantalizing to me, as I am a fan of Labyrinth. He may have been considered for another project before (Spielberg or Halstrom) but never for Hook. Dustin Hoffman was one of the first to sign for Hook. Long before Spielberg. It is not a genre of film but a style of music. In Hook, there is a little bit of rap in "Low below". I'm not sure if John Williams did rap in anything else. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Actually, that corresponds very well with the Entertainment Weekly quotes and the Joseph McBride book (as well as the Douglas Brode book). Jackson was a candidate for Spielberg, they talked about it, and it turned out Jackson didn't like the vision of the Peter Pan story he was going for. So it was left there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,534 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 18 hours ago, Goldfingers said: The false rumor of Captain Hook played by David Bowie is more tantalizing to me, as I am a fan of Labyrinth. David Bowie and Phil Collins in the same film!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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