Composer Threads Official Patrick Doyle Thread

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

One of my favorite Doyle scores too.

 

Yavar

[JTN 2,042]

On 1/8/2023 at 6:08 PM, Alex said:

Probably so they can put "Score by Academy Award winner Hildur Guðnadóttir" in promotional material.

Yeah, it’s ridiculous, it should have been “Music by Academy Award winner Patrick Doyle” for a long time. It’s crazy that Doyle hasn’t got any Oscar. (btw the list of those who should have won at least one is too long…)

[Richard Penna 3,694]

A few mentioned that Branagh's first two Poirot movies had mixed reception but I rather liked both and I thought Nile was particularly good. Doyle did a superb job with the music on both. I would take persuasion, or perhaps more insight into the movie business, to believe this has anything to do with Branagh not liking his music.

[JNHFan2000 2,968]

44 minutes ago, JTW said:

 (btw the list of those who should have won at least one is too long…)

 

Indeed.

Doyle, Thomas Newman, David Arnold, Danny Elfman, Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, John Debney, Bruce Broughton, John Powell, Joel McNeely.

 

And in my opinion composers who should've won more: Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Williams, Randy Newman, 

[Jurassic Shark 12,084]

15 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

A few mentioned that Branagh's first two Poirot movies had mixed reception but I rather liked both and I thought Nile was particularly good. Doyle did a superb job with the music on both. I would take persuasion, or perhaps more insight into the movie business, to believe this has anything to do with Branagh not liking his music.

 

I don't find these two scores that interesting on their own, but I can imagine they work wonders in the films. I recently purchased the blu-rays and look forward to checking them out.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

I saw both during a brief Disney+ excursion. Orient was 'good' but it's Nile I really liked. Doyle's score has just the right amount of Egyptian flavour - I noticed it many, many times during the film in a good way.

[ddddeeee 258]

I think Murder on the Orient Express is top 3 Doyle, and it was my favourite score of 2017.

 

The Armstrong theme is just achingly sad. And once it is introduced, it's almost omnipresent. When a character is trying to hide who they are, the theme is buried in orchestration; when a character's link to the family is exposed, the theme is played more overtly.

 

 

Doyle, like with Death on the Nile, is telling the story how it is, not how it's initially presented to be. I shrugged it off the first time I saw the movie and heard the score, but the more I came back to it, the more I realised what Doyle was doing. The best version of Murder on the Orient Express isn't by Lumet, Branagh or whoever directed the Suchet version, it's by Doyle.

 

The Armstrong theme is always playing with or against the mystery theme and the (sadly ditched for Death on the Nile) Poirot theme. Ultimately, the solo piano that's come to represent the tragedy behind this case comes to play that theme, showing that he is deeply impacted by what has happened.

 

 

And it's been said many times before, but the scoring of the big reveal is just perfect. The juxtaposition of that desperately sad music with the chaotic, oddly disturbing murder is so, so effective.

 

 

I do enjoy Nile, too, but the narrative here is just airtight. The journey from glorious decadence to opaque mystery to tragedy is brilliantly realised.

 

That little run by Branagh and Doyle - Cinderella -> Murder on the Orient Express -> All is True - was Doyle at his storytelling best.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

That run with Branagh is, outside of GoF and Eragon, pretty much what my 'fandom' of Doyle consists of.

 

And all of them have a slightly different feel - Cinderella is a wonderful, sweeping orchestral score, the Poirot scores are more suspenseful, and All Is True is a beautiful, intimate chamber concept album. The film itself is slow, quiet and I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that only a single digit amount of score is actually used.

[JTN 2,042]

I really like Doyle's early scores like Henry V, Much Ado About Nothing, and others like The Little Princess, Great Expectations, Frankenstein, Hamlet.

 

He's a tremendously talented composer and a very lovely, kind and funny man, I had a great 1-hour talk with him, he told me some great anecdotes, about Jerry Goldsmith, Kenneth Branagh, Robert Altman, Michelle Pfeiffer. He even spoke some Hungarian to both of our amusement. 

[ddddeeee 258]

I was at Patrick's 70th birthday concert this evening in Glasgow.

 

I was sat next to a group of very broad and fun Scots. After I heard some lighthearted heckling, I realised I was sat next to Doyle's family! All very friendly and funny. His son, also a composer, is his double. 

 

Grant and Capaldi were hilarious hosts. Each took turns delivering a a mini stand up routine detailing comically ridiculous moments in Doyle's life.

 

Here was the setlist:

 

Henry V - St Crispin's Day

My Father's Favourite - Sense and Sensibility

La Valse de L'Amour and Pumpkin Pursuit - Cinderella

Train Away - Wah-Wah

Overture - Much Ado About Nothing

The Blue Sea and the White Horse - Into the West (sung by Abigal Doyle)

It's Only a Diary - Bridget Jones's Diary

Remember Me - Carlito's Way

King Charles III Coronation March

 

Interval

 

Scottish Overture

Corarsik

Calling the Night - Whisky Galore! (sung by Mairi MacInnes)

The Creation - Mary Shelly's Frankenstein

Never Forget - Murder on the Orient Express (sung by Nuala Doyle)

Potter's Waltz and Harry in Winter - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Merida's Home and The Games - Brave

 

Encore

Thor Kills the Destroyer

 

I would've loved to have heard some of Indochine or East-West, but I appreciate that events like these will always be 'Greatest Hits'. I loved hearing 'Carlito's Way'. And, as much as I can't stand what it represents, the Coronation March sounded fantastic with a full orchestra.

 

 

[Stark 316]

Thor Kills the Destroyer as an encore makes so much sense.

[Tom Guernsey 2,287]

10 hours ago, ddddeeee said:

I was at Patrick's 70th birthday concert this evening in Glasgow.

 

I was sat next to a group of very broad and fun Scots. After I heard some lighthearted heckling, I realised I was sat next to Doyle's family! All very friendly and funny. His son, also a composer, is his double. 

 

Grant and Capaldi were hilarious hosts. Each took turns delivering a a mini stand up routine detailing comically ridiculous moments in Doyle's life.

 

Here was the setlist:

 

Henry V - St Crispin's Day

My Father's Favourite - Sense and Sensibility

La Valse de L'Amour and Pumpkin Pursuit - Cinderella

Train Away - Wah-Wah

Overture - Much Ado About Nothing

The Blue Sea and the White Horse - Into the West (sung by Abigal Doyle)

It's Only a Diary - Bridget Jones's Diary

Remember Me - Carlito's Way

King Charles III Coronation March

 

Interval

 

Scottish Overture

Corarsik

Calling the Night - Whisky Galore! (sung by Mairi MacInnes)

The Creation - Mary Shelly's Frankenstein

Never Forget - Murder on the Orient Express (sung by Nuala Doyle)

Potter's Waltz and Harry in Winter - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Merida's Home and The Games - Brave

 

Encore

Thor Kills the Destroyer

 

I would've loved to have heard some of Indochine or East-West, but I appreciate that events like these will always be 'Greatest Hits'. I loved hearing 'Carlito's Way'. And, as much as I can't stand what it represents, the Coronation March sounded fantastic with a full orchestra.

 

 

I was also there and probably only a handful of seats away by the sounds of it. Lovely evening indeed. Have to admit that of the concert works the Coronation March was the least interesting but the performance was much more convincing than the one at the actual coronation and it would be good to get a decent recording of it. I very much enjoyed the Scottish overture even if the main melodic line sounded a bit like George Fenton’s main theme to The Memphis Belle. Was great to hear Corasik (rhymes with Jurassic!) live too. I managed a couple of photos at the end…

 

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,552]

@ddddeeee,

Do you stay in Glasgow?

[ddddeeee 258]

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

@ddddeeee,

Do you stay in Glasgow?

I live near Leeds, but I stayed in Glasgow last night. I jump at the chance to come here. I must have seen a dozen concerts here at this point. It reminds me of home (Ireland).

[filmmusic 1,839]

On 04/08/2023 at 2:06 AM, ddddeeee said:

Relistened to one of my favourite Doyles today, and was, again, moved by this track, featuring vocals by Doyle's son. (This track is actually 'She was a Real Lion', but it has been incorrectly titled.)

 

 

Thanks for bringing my attention to this.

Never every heard it. I'll look for it.

[thestat 348]

Jesus, how did I miss this? I have been at both of Doyle's London sessions (RAH and Barbican). Shameful. Well, at least the playlist is updated and The Creation is there as a show-off instead of an encore. The endless 'melodic' piano and strings stuff that Doyle feels he has to bring in. Patrick - when we come to your concerts, we want the 'drunk, over-the-top Herrmann' as I think you referred to yourself once. This:

 

 

[ddddeeee 258]

 

[thestat 348]

The bagpipes?! No......does anyone in this world, if not a misguided besmitten Braveheart fan, actually bear the sound of those monsters?

 

Also not massively convinced by this Doyle piece - it is part of his later years, the type of stuff that made Brave somewhat anonymous and that made me completely turn off Artemis Fowl after a few tracks - I mean, I frigging love Doyle and go see him if possible at concerts, but he can be his worst enemy with banal nonsense like this, go back to the 90s Patrick and let that drunk Herrmann loose.

[Stark 316]

Bagpipes are great!

[GerateWohl 4,371]

On 30/11/2023 at 11:19 PM, ddddeeee said:

Has traces of Stu Philipps Battlestar Galactica theme. Or?

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

9 hours ago, Stark said:

Bagpipes are great!

Yup! Especially when Bear McCreary uses them!

 

Yavar

[Tom Guernsey 2,287]

11 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

Has traces of Stu Philipps Battlestar Galactica theme. Or?

Oh yeah, it does a bit, although the rising theme later on reminds me of George Fenton's main theme from The Memphis Belle.

 

Kinda ironic that it reminds you of Stu P's Galactica music when it's Bear McCreary that used the bagpipes so frequently in his music for the remake!

 

As I said in my earlier comments, I really enjoyed this piece, much more interesting than his slightly stodgy Coronation March, although perhaps in retrospect Corasik remains the best of the bunch.

 

I wonder if this was recorded "properly" for album release, it would certainly be good to have this on work on album, plus a better performed and recorded version of his Coronation March.

[ddddeeee 258]

Doyle recorded his Piano Fantasia recently. It'd be cool if all these pieces were released together.

[ddddeeee 258]

Music Matters - The sounds of Christmas - BBC Sounds

 

Patrick says he's currently working on a musical, but it's all under wraps at the moment. I'm assuming this is the animated film he said he was going to be working on.

[ddddeeee 258]

I think I know what the upcoming animated film is.

 

Dreamworks cancelled a movie called B.O.O: Bureau of Otherworldly Operations around ten years ago. It went really far into production. Apparently it was almost complete. Doyle was set to score it, having worked with the director on Igor (and later The Emoji Movie).

 

According to Variety, the movie has been revived and will be released this year. Most Anticipated Movie Performances 2024: Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande (variety.com)

 

The movie will likely be bad, but it's at least a fairly high profile gig, and I really like the score for The Emoji Movie.