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It's a really solid score, full of ok to very good writing. I like suspense and action Williams of the 70's so there's something for me in here. Not one of his more striking works though, apart from the last two tracks. I was surprised to see that the Midway march was barely used in the score at all.

Karol

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Apart from the two marches, there's nothing overly impressive here. I'm happy to have it, though; no Williams score should be unreleased!

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Family Plot was limited to 5,000 copies! This was 3,000.

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indy4, the extra 2,000 copies is a HUGE difference! There simply isn't a lot of film score fans on this planet!

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It's worth getting if your a Williams completist but I haven't listened to it that much either

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It's worth getting if your a Williams completist but I haven't listened to it that much either

It has a few stand-out cues but since they decided to not to have much music in the film and Williams's music is delegated to such a supporting role the score doesn't really offer lengthy pieces to develop ideas. I was truly surprised when I first heard the score (the Varese re-recording) that the march was only hinted at in the score and was heard only at the end credits really. Same goes for the Men of the Yorktown March. Both superb concert pieces but one can only dream what kind of cool variations JW would have written for the film if he had been given half a chance to score the action more fully.

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yeah, and it's a super long movie too. I'm surprised it wasn't scored wall to wall with a more grandiose score

Maybe if it came out post 1977...

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Men of Yorktown is great, but I think I prefer JWs take on it in Song for World Peace

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I think Yorktown sounds like an early draft of Throne Room from Star wars

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I was listening to this yesterday and I hadn't realized (or I had forgotten) that "The Attack Begins" (coupled with "Matt's Crash") is the last score track before the credits on the varese release of the original recording. I saw the movie years ago on TV, and yesterday I was a little confused.. I don't remember the movie ending with the battle beginning? Most of the movie was about the battle!

 

 

Maybe it was mentioned, but I just noticed a little error in a track title on the original recording CD:

16. Good News For The Nimitz (1:18)
 

Should of course be "Good News for Nimitz". Sounds like someone at Varese confused the person, Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, with the aircraft carrier and the class of aircraft carriers later named after him.

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5 hours ago, May the Force be with You said:

linear notes

 

liner notes

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On 25/2/2022 at 9:15 PM, BrotherSound said:

The cue list:

 

1M1 Prologue

1M2 Doolittle's Raid

2M2 Yamamoto's Choice

3M1 The Signal Corps Con

3M2 Yamamoto's Second Meeting

3M3 Japanese Call

4M1 Hiroshima Harbor

4M2 Haruko's Dilemma

5M1 By Order of Nimitz

6M1 Canceling Operation K

6M2 Strawberry 5

6M3/7M0 The Attack Begins

7M1 Missing the Flatlands

7M2 Morning of the Battle

8M1 Red Parks Fighters

9M1 Scout Four

10M1 Ensign Gay Afloat

11M1/12M0 The Burning Carriers

12M1 Crash Landing

12M2 Good News for Nimitz

13M1 Matt Takes Off

14M1 Matt's Crash

14M2 End Title (Churchhill Version)

14M2 Churchhill Version Ext.

14M2 Alt. Coda

14M2 Alt Album Insert

14M2 End Title (Men of Yorktown Version)

Where does one find these cue lists? 

 

I watched the film again recently and was struck by the use of "Midway March" segueing into the credits. It didn't really fit for me — seemed too bombastic after the somewhat understated ending. Now that I see there might be at least four different (14M) cues for this finale, I'm curious as to how the decision was made to use "Midway March"?

 

Doubtless, I'll never know. But it seems odd to use a new bombastic march when "Men of the Yorktown" was used throughout the film, and too varyingly expressive degrees.

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I have never seen the whole film.  For whatever reason I get about halfway done and get stuck there.  

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Oddly, it's a film that works best when it's not showing any battle stuff, simply because we have - literally - seen it before :lol:

There's a nice, extra on the DVD about JW, as well as an extra about the creation of Sensurround.

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Just listened to both versions of the score back to back. I hand't listened to the re-recording for years, thinking it was incomplete or lesser. And really the re-recording sounds very similar to the original recording.

 

And then i read the liner notes again, check the track listing and re-read this thread again (some embarrasing posts by yours truly)

 

So, the re-recording is almost complete and chronological. It's only missing the full concert version of the Midway march (probably is some mix of the churchill version tracks like the Jurassic park main theme).

 

In the Williams recording, track 17, is comprised of 4 cues, where the last two are not chronological, i dont know why they were mixed out of order, maybe there was no other way since being film stem edited versions (with missing material) they didnt fit right otherwise.

 

My itunes version will be both concert versions from 45rpm LP followed with full Royal scottish re-recording.

 

I suppose one could also insert the re-recording tracks into the Williams recording and it would be less sound difference than with tracks 17 and 18...

 

14M2 End Title (Churchhill Version)

I think this is the end title opening with the churchill text

14M2 Churchhill Version Ext.

This probably is the prelude of the previous cue, the "finale" propper, you can hear a sound quality difference in the film between the two.

14M2 Alt. Coda

This is probably the end credits ending with the thanks to the military that ends in a fade out

14M2 Alt Album Insert

Opening of the album version? or something in the middle.

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On 17/12/2014 at 1:19 PM, King Mark said:

I think Yorktown sounds like an early draft of Throne Room from Star wars

Perhaps even more so, now that Williams gave it the full processional march treatment in the concert version.  

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Just for the record Thank god i checked this score again, because i almost put the re-recording on sale…

 


 

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And i noticed

 

3M3 Japanese Call

 

Does not appear in neither of the two releases.

 

I think it is the diegetic japanese military trumpet fanfare (a call to arms?) at the hiroshima harbor. So no unreleased-unrecorded williams cue thankfully.

 

BTW, whomever sanctioned the use of synth library music in the DVD menus should be shot on sight.

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