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20 hours ago, Brundlefly said:
Göransson was better and Zimmer will be better probably.
I agree. I definitely prefer Oppenheimer to DOD and probably will prefer Dune 2.
Comparing Oppenheimer to Dune, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think Dune did more to transport me to another world, has stronger themes, and more unique sounds. But Oppenheimer has more interesting texture, and is utilize a bit more effectively in the film in key moments. Like one of the poster above said, Dune focuses better on the big picture while Oppenheimer focuses better on the details.
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5 hours ago, Bayesian said:I liked the posts informing about historic examples of large musical forces in classical and film music—very interesting to read.
So maybe Fallout’s 230 musicians aren’t necessarily over-the-top. But 550 for DR Part 1 is still ridiculous to me. I also no longer harbor much trust that Balfe did it for the musicians’ benefit. The supposed “inspiration” from Russian composers, trying to claim that in situ recording adds something precious to the music, name-dropping the Swiss Drum Corps and the top-rank cities he went to, and touting a 35-person bongo session— all of it reeks of Balfe shouting, “BE IMPRESSED WITH ME!!”
Other composers let their music speak for themselves. It seems like it’s only RCP guys who annoyingly insist on using the PR full-court press. If only the music was deserving of it.
"Other composers let their music speak for themselves." Once again, this board never fails to amaze me.
Just recently from Ludwig Göransson on Oppenheimer: “In the end, we recorded music that surpassed what I believed to be humanly possible." Balfe never said anything this bold.
Remember Brian Tyler doing press for Those Who Wish Me Dead? In an interview for the film, Tyler talked about how he actually set fire to a cello during the score’s recording sessions, in order to provide a “unique and inspiring” sound for the movie and how it canters around the tonal idea and mortal danger of fire. This was first posted on Fimtracks and several posters immediately pointed out what a great salesman Tyler was.
And then there was Bear McCreary on Rings of Power: "I’ve been thinking about it my whole life. I formed an image in my mind of what I wanted those themes to feel like, and truly, when I wrote those themes, the only concern was if the visuals would live up to them."
Should we not mention Elfman claiming that his Batman theme was the only Batman theme? That is not pumping up his own music?
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On 20/07/2023 at 11:05 AM, Edmilson said:
I wish John Williams did an AMA for his Indy 5 music... but first someone would have to explain to him what is an AMA. And what is Reddit. And that no, you can't reply to fans using a typewriter and sending letters to their houses.
Indy 5 is the last movie on the list I want John Williams to do an AMA on.
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I think a better question is, why do you care? At the end of the day, he can use a 1000-piece orchestra or 50, but the music is either good or not. I don't particularly like Fallout or Dead Reckoning that much, but I couldn't care less what his methods are. To HunterTech's point, why are we angry he is employing more musicians?
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2 hours ago, Edmilson said:
Exactly. Paramount idiotically dated their biggest movie for the weekend before Oppenheimer took away all their IMAX screens and Barbie stole their thunder. Why didn't they opened M: I in August or even October?
But even the opening weekend was a disappointment. There was no competition then. It seems like people are giving Dead Reckoning the Fast X treatment or the Transformers treatment. They are just no longer that interested all of a sudden.
I predict this will happen to John Wick eventually as well.
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Marketing wasn't the problem. People know what an Indiana Jones movie is. They got 4 other movies as references. A Barbie film on the other hand, can go 100 different directions and marketing was key to success. Spending $300 million on Indiana Jones just wasn't smart (with the pandemic, maybe there wasn't a choice) regardless of marketing.
I know this sounds off rails, but I wish Williams realized the sinking ship that DOD would become and asked to compose for Barbie instead. I would be 20 times more curious to see what a John Williams Barbie score would sound like than another Indiana Jones.
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49 minutes ago, Bayesian said:Man, what a dreadful and troubling thing to have to read about my second favorite film composer. This cannot end well for Elfman. If the allegations are true in their entirety, we have just witnessed the end of his career. He’ll then join the growing crowd of talented men fallen from grace whose achievements will forever be interpreted in conjunction with their moral failings and abusive actions. If the allegations are false, he’ll still get dragged through the mud until the courts declare him innocent.
Abadi’s detailed accusations, coupled with the hush money agreement and her founding of an awareness and victim support group, make me inclined to believe her. I’m still processing what this means for my relationship with Elfman’s music.
What I don’t understand is why he didn’t maintain payments and spare what could well be the ruination of an incredible career. More importantly, what on earth possessed him to do these offensive acts in the first place?
All this makes me wonder, what other currently respectable artists/celebrities/public figures are one NDA breach from being destroyed in the public eye?
Also, was Danny Elfman's lawyer drunk when representing him? Did he actually let Elfman release this statement?
"Ms. Abadi’s allegations are simply not true. I allowed someone to get close to me without knowing that I was her ‘childhood crush’ and that her intention was to break up my marriage and replace my wife."
He sent her a cup of what looked to be semen with a line "to pique your imagination," and then said this? If anything, this is the kind of self-important attitude that makes him look guilty.
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1 hour ago, TolkienSS said:I hope that woman gets the humiliation she deserves. Pure scum. Payments stop, make new threats.
Not sure how you come to the conclusion she is a scrum from that article. I am not saying I believe her, but she could be the victim here.
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12 hours ago, HunterTech said:
Way to underplay it by not saying it's fucking Hans Zimmer himself (though the lack of embed is to blame). That arguably makes it more interesting than if it actually was just one of the lackeys.
Bit of an unexpected pick, since I would've thought he'd have been too busy finishing up Dune to really give attention to another sci-fi thing. Which makes me think this is likely a vehicle for either Mazzaro or Fleming (maybe even Benyamin) to warrant having any involvement with this. Though if that is the case, at least I can hope he'll have more fun ideas for this, on account of not treating it like some life changing thing.The Creator finished filming in May 2022, before Dune Part Two even started filming. So I don't think time is an issue.
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Zimmer is attached to two of my most anticipated sci-fi films this year. Dune and The Creator. Can't wait.
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On 23/06/2023 at 3:46 AM, Tom Guernsey said:
Always a bit more surprising when someone with a strong reputation and a very distinctive style gets replaced, but a solid alternative - according to his Facebook, BM has already written the score. Just hope it's more JW/Kilar grand romantic Dracula than... well, most modern horror scoring.
I watched the trailer a while back and I don't know about you, but I don't see where grand romantic Dracula fits in.
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5 hours ago, Trope said:
I must confess, as much as many have lamented the overblown and synth-driven sound of the Balfe scores for both Fallout and Dead Reckoning, I would still choose to listen to them over the Giacchino scores, whose poor performances and mixing render them virtually unlistenable for me personally. It's a shame, because I enjoy the musical content of the Gia scores, but they sound utterly abysmal. At the very least, Balfe's percussion (even if it is overused) feels impactful, and doesn't sound like it was recorded on a potato from the other side of the recording studio.
I agree. I think both Balfe scores are good at best, and he sort of lean on the RCP tropes in the dumbest ways. But with Giacchino, I just don't feel anything. His action writing is neither pulse pounding exciting nor compositionally excellent like Williams. His music is just there.
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These two tracks have to be the best music in the game right?
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On 10/07/2023 at 12:04 PM, TolkienSS said:
Elfman's is still the best one. I like the minimalism.
I agree. Elfman's score is still the best. Not really because of minimalism but because it is the only score in the franchise that really nails that suspense, noir thriller feel.
For me, Elfman's score is the best, Zimmer's score is the most fun, and I don't have any positive things to say about Giacchino's scores. Kramer's score has by far the best opening and ending cues though. Fallout is ok, but I thought the score got old very fast in the film.
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51 minutes ago, Bellosh said:
The worst part about all MI movies post 3 was they constantly bring back his wife for that 'tension'. nobody gives a shit!
She should have died in III. I honestly thought if that was really her getting tortured and killed in that chair, that movie would have been 10x more powerful.
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16 minutes ago, King Mark said:
I think part of the reason it's flopping because Disney's image took a hit in recent years as being a vehicle for "The Message" instead of focusing on quality entertainment and parts of the fan base are staying away because of it
No Time to Die had the same "message" and it was able to managed $770 million (still below expectations). Bond sitting in the back of the motorcycle, tough black woman assisting/resisting him, badass Cuban girl kicking ass. He didn't even have sex with any of them. Guardians of the Galaxy made $800+ million just a month ago. I think there is a way Indiana Jones makes money. But the version as it is just has no broad appeal.
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1 hour ago, Chen G. said:
Its not a treasure hunt, but there's another movie about a globetrotting action hero that's expected to do big bucks, and that Mission: Impossible. So the idea of somebody galvinating around the world still has some appeal, provided its done with panache and plays credibly on the screen.
You are right. But that is why it is hard to do Indiana Jones. Basically to succeed, reboot the franchise with a younger actor, make it take place in modern day, and turn the film into a fast and furious type with over-the-top action and global destruction implications. Basically like another version of Uncharted. I am ok with this. But I can see a lot if die hard fans asking: At this point, is it still an Indiana Jones film?
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On 28/06/2023 at 5:53 AM, DangerMotif said:
Yep, crazy he hasn’t really gotten much work since Rogue Nation. Rogue Nation is easily a top 5 score of the past decade for me
The most overrated score imo. But I found all the MI scores to be overrated or underwhelming in some way.
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The most exciting thing about Dune is how Zimmer can expand on it imo. I felt like the first film was very much a slow burn and a lot of the sketchbook ideas didn't even make it to the album. The second film looks to be a lot more about action and more epic in scope, which should give the music more expansion.
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9 hours ago, Chen G. said:
There's still some faint hope for the movie for a later turnout from older audiences, but its a fool's hope because of Mission: Impossible coming to scratch the same itch for the same audience.
Its such an expensive movie, and it has all of these parties taking slices off of the back-end, that it will be hard to recoup that expenditure.
I think Ford's age is absolutely acting as a repelent for many people. They don't want to see an old, miserable Indy not any more than they did in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. They want him young, dashing and virile.
I just don't think there is a universal audience for Indiana Jones anymore. How many people under 50 years old cares that much about Indiana Jones? I know I don't. Also, I think the internet and the globalism of today's world makes treasure hunting less appealing. Egypt, India, China, and exotic places are not mysteries anymore.
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5 hours ago, Edmilson said:
My grandmother is a huge Tom Cruise fan, and today she was watching The Last Samurai, a movie that I forgot how great the Zimmer score is. It's a powerhouse filled with emotional themes and general sense of sadness and tragedy that is similar to his other masterpiece The Thin Red Line. Much like At World's End or WW1984, it shows that he can write genuinely touching, inspiring stuff when he wants.
Give me TLS or TTRL any day over the overbearing synths and oppressive sound design of stuff like Dune or Dunkirk.
I get what you are saying, but I don't consider Dune and Dunkirk to be in the same category. I revisit Dune often, but never Dunkirk. Dune actually has themes and hits the some of the familiar Zimmer comfort zones (female vocals, electric cello, power notes/anthems). But yes, Dune doesn't touch the quality of scores like TLS or At World's End.
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Easily my most anticipated film of the year. I wonder if some of the music in the trailer is the actual score.
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7 minutes ago, Jay said:
I was until the Cannes reactions
IJ4 was a huge hit
IJ4 was 15 years ago when Spielberg was still a big name. James Bond is far more popular than Indiana Jones now and NOTD only opened to $55 million with a similar type of audience.
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There is nothing wrong with showing off your sex appeal. That is not a crime. Guys and ladies in the entertainment industry do it all the time. People in other field do it as well. Sexual assault on the other hand, is. I am not saying Elfman is guilty, but her sex appeal is completely irrelevant.