#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 He's a cunt!Is that word really necessary on a public forum like this?Not at all, but well done for repeating it in a quote! Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 This could mean we finally get a legit CD release of "The Esplanade Overture"! If there's a concert piece by John Williams I'd die to hear recorded properly, that's the one. Of course the track "The Meeting in Sicily" on the Monsignor OST is very very similar, but I'd love to hear an official recorded version of the complete piece. There are quite a few stunning passages (like the blaring horns before the finale) that aren't on the Monsignor version.It's a "comic overture," isn't it? I remember hearing the piece (no idea how). Some things certainly had to be adjusted for its use in Monsignor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 It's a "comic overture," isn't it? I remember hearing the piece (no idea how). Some things certainly had to be adjusted for its use in Monsignor.Wasn't it the other way around?I always thought that the concert piece was adapted from the Monsignore cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,984 Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 It's a "comic overture," isn't it? I remember hearing the piece (no idea how). Some things certainly had to be adjusted for its use in Monsignor.Wasn't it the other way around?I always thought that the concert piece was adapted from the Monsignore cue?The "Esplanade Overture" debuted in a Boston Pops concert in May 1983, so I guess Williams originally wrote the piece as a concert arrangement for the Monsignor OST album. By the way, the Boston Pops version is further expanded, adding even more panache and virtuosic orchestral performance. I think a recording of the piece was included on the "Fanfare & Themes" bootleg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 After all this speculation I really hope it is Monsignor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 After all this speculation I really hope it is Monsignor!It's my birthday Tuesday, so if it is Monsignor, that'll be a great present.If it's not Monsignore I'm going to be pissed!I don't have any doubts though, I'd stake my life on it being Monsignor if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 It's a "comic overture," isn't it? I remember hearing the piece (no idea how). Some things certainly had to be adjusted for its use in Monsignor.Wasn't it the other way around?I always thought that the concert piece was adapted from the Monsignore cue?I've read that the cue came from the concert piece, though I don't remember where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 In the early 80's (81 or 82), Williams talked to Richard Dyer of the Boston Globe, and at the time he mentioned he was working on "a comic overture" to be premiered in the 1982 Pops season -- which it was under the name of "Esplanade Overture". Williams recorded it for a Evening at Pops show, and it's from there that the recording on the bootleg comes from.As far as I know, Williams decided to use it on the film, and adapted it to fit the action, hence the diferences between recordings.My guess, and that's as good as anyones else guessing, is that the film being the piece of crap it was, Williams just wasn't able to write anything else, and decided to use the overture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I've read that the cue came from the concert piece, though I don't remember where.This might be what you read, and I remember reading it years ago.... I just remembered it differently:http://www.johnwilliams.org/compositions/e...deoverture.htmlIn May of 1982 Williams told Richard Dyer, "On my desk right now I have the score of a 'Comedy Overture' of my own — I hope to finish it in time to play it during June. No, it doesn't go to any specific comedy — the audience will just have to invent one as it goes along." The Boston premiere did not take place until May 3, 1983 but in the interim Williams scored the film Monsignor and utilized music from the overture for parts of the score. Whatever the reason, Williams' urge to do some musical recycling is understandable given how awful the film is.What I'm wondering is, and this is just a strange gut feeling... perhaps the overture he described in 1982 was a different piece?The above paragraph wasn't in the one article, so I'm thinking perhaps the author just assumed it was the same piece.I find it a little hard to believe Williams would sit down to score a new film and use something he composed for a different project. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just don't think the thought would even occur to him to do anything other than write a new piece. Snippets from the overture appear in other cues, so I have a hard time believing the inspiration for some significant material from the film score didn't come from the score.Just my two cents. I could be wrong though.. just sharing some thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Right now, I'm wondering at what time is the official anoucement being placed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Somebody said Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Right now, I'm wondering at what time is the official anoucement being placed?Announce time is 5:15 Pacific on Monday.-Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean1700 4 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 No it isn't.What's your point?You've just highlighted the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Right now, I'm wondering at what time is the official anoucement being placed?Announce time is 5:15 Pacific on Monday.-Erik-A.M. or P.M.?And more important, how does that translate to GMT?Miguel, feeling lazy to check by himself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I think that will be late at night for us European folk. 02:15:00 I think, though I could have done it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I think that will be late at night for us European folk. 02:15:00 I think, though I could have done it wrong.Yeah, i would imagine so...So, another night with little sleep for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 And frustration when it turns out it's gonna be a Dave Grusin release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Right now, I'm wondering at what time is the official anoucement being placed?Announce time is 5:15 Pacific on Monday.-Erik-A.M. or P.M.?And more important, how does that translate to GMT?Miguel, feeling lazy to check by himself... I believe it's 1:15 AM GMT on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,212 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Well, I'm GMT+1, so Stefan's time works fine for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'll be vast asleep, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'll be vast asleep, I hope.... and assuming this is a limited release, you'll be missing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 He isn't interested of that release anyway cause it's not Goldsmith or Poleyudooris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 So this means tonight at 8.15PM for Eastern Time(the True time zone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 It's Monsignor! Ordered already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Purchased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Got it!Now... Is Stefan anywhere around, or is he fast asleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 This is the first John Williams score I've purchased in a long time, which makes me uber-excited! It's the first because I own all the inexpensive in print scores, all I have left to buy are the expensive rare OOP ones.Question: How do you change your little # of posts label? I realized everyone has something different. For ex. Miguel has Accidental Tourist. Regular Poster doesn't suit my personality, how do I change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Bahaha!Ordered.And check out the sound clips. That's some nice quality. I don't think my LP rip matches it. I'd compare them, but I've just realized I accidentally deleted it. Hah. Thank God Intrada decided to release the CD now.I'm thinking of including the reissued Witches of Eastwick with this order. However, I heard that there were some sound quality issues with that. Were they corrected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,984 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 I feel really a JW groupie tonight.Ordered me too! At 2:30am local time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odnurega1 0 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ordered.Have to admit...this is the first "big" JW purchase I've made in a while. It's exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 ordered.k.M.Who almost forgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ordered as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Aww, another Williams? What about a Jerry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Woo hoo!Ray Barnsbury - ordered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I think I'll order all 3,000, after which I'll sell them at $200 a piece. A deficit of $60,000 will turn into a profit of $600,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I think I'll order all 3,000, after which I'll sell them at $200 a piece. A deficit of $60,000 will turn into a profit of $600,000.Clever strategy, you banker crook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 So I've never really heard anything of Monsignor other than Williams did it. Is it well regarded here?I'm listening to the preview of the meeting in sicily and it sounds very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 It's 1982 style Williams,need I say more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Humor me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Gloria is one awsome choral cue.I can't wait to hear it in good sound quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 147 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I got mp3s of the LP transfer amidst a batch of trades a year ago, and it has become one of my favorite Williams scores of all time. It is so gorgeous from beginning to end, and really has some of the finest dramatic/emotional material he's ever written, in my opinion.Buy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Got it!Now... Is Stefan anywhere around, or is he fast asleep :cool:Well rested, and just ordered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 215 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Just ordered a copy for myself, the sound clips sound great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I needed no soundclips to order this. :cool:Poor Alexcremers, his lovely bootleg is now useless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 215 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Those soundclips were actually my first exposure to Monsignor, although I would have ordered it regardless. I can't believe I've ignored this score for so long, I can't wait to recieve and hear the album now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ordered! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Poor Alexcremers, his lovely bootleg is now useless!I know what he can do with it. :cool:Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I guess I'll get it... I have a GREAT LP rip... and I'm sure this will sound great... it won't have the slight noise that the LP rip has... for $19 too so... I kinda wish it were complete. If it had more music than the LP, I think I wouldn't hesitate but missing 3 minutes?... I'll remember to cry latter lolI guess that the masters were unreachable or something... You know... Reunion in Italy almost reminds me of something from Stargate lolHave never really listened to it since I got it lol... Some really interesting music and sound... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Got it!Now... Is Stefan anywhere around, or is he fast asleep :cool:Well rested, and just ordered it. Well, I need no rest whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'm thinking of including the reissued Witches of Eastwick with this order. However, I heard that there were some sound quality issues with that. Were they corrected?It's been corrected, but you can't know if you'll get the wrong or the right one. The right one has "RE" on the CD matrix inside.I ordered it from Amazon I think, and I got lucky. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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